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Old 09-23-2003, 03:31 PM   #76
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I have had my rs over 140.. verified by the speedo in the Z behind me numerous times. (closed road, blah blah blah)
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Old 09-23-2003, 04:28 PM   #77
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I've done 5500 in 5th gear. It got there quite effortlessly. The speedo was buried. The car felt like it had quite a bit left to go too.
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Old 09-24-2003, 11:11 AM   #78
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The credit should really go to the young lady who put me in the proper mood for the testing conditions.

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Old 09-24-2003, 05:03 PM   #79
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how fast are our cars? fast enough...?

i dunno...i drove my impreza last night before selling it for the first time in a month, and i miss that torque now...

...and the insanely high handling limits.

...and the overkill 4 pot brakes.

...and that nice flat 4 burble.



to each their own...the impreza is great in it's own way, as are all the other cars listed...my new car is fun, but i don't even try to compare it to my impreza. sure, it's quicker in a straight line once it's rolling, but other than that, they're apples and oranges. i don't complain about my car's lack of torque, because i drive it like it has a lack of torque. drive them the way they're supposed to be driven, and have fun with them. don't fret over 10ths of a second in the quarter.

BTW, my roommate's new 20th anniv. GTi ran a 15.0 in the 1/4...stock. then again, he's having window/sunroof/airbag problems at 5000mi...
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Old 09-24-2003, 06:05 PM   #80
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It's all about the receivers... I'm not sure what 'standard-issue military GPS's are, but I've seen Garmin, Magellans, etc, in the hands of military... civilain units, because the military ones are too cumbersome to use easily. I also know that there's techniques that they employ to get GPS accuracy down into the centimeter range (one of the faculty at my school did a paper on it recently).

Of course, for my Etrex, I can only go by what the manual says. It says + / - .1 mph for movement, and on the screen it says that location is down to ~13-16 feet.

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Old 09-24-2003, 06:16 PM   #81
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Since this isn't a thread on GPS, I won't talk about it anymore.
I just want to say that these are the receivers we use


http://www.trimble.com/pathfinderproxrs.html
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Old 09-24-2003, 08:38 PM   #82
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I've had my RS up to approximately 135mph, and I've had my RX-7 up to abbout 170MPH. The funny thing is, it took my RX-7 alot less time to get to 170 than it did for my RS to get to 135. My Subaru is still more fun to drive even though its not as fast and dosent handle as well for some odd reason..
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Old 09-24-2003, 10:29 PM   #83
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My barely modified RS (injen intake only):

R/T--------.610
60'--------1.979
330'------6.039
1/8-------9.465 at 71.37 mph
1000'----12.459
1/4--------15.005 at 88.51 mph

As for top speed, I have gone way past the 120 mark, probably close to 130, I could have gone faster as I was still slowly gaining speed, but was running out of real estate.
I find those times hard to beleive with only an intake. I want to see a scanned time slip. This is my best with power mods of, intake, borla header, 2.2.5" header back with high flow cat and magnaflow muffler, STI tranny mount & UDP.

R/T.... .548
60'..... 2.038
330.... 6.181
1/8.... 9.652@71mph
1000.. 12.659
1/4.... 15.209@88.53

I was on heavier 225/50-16 Kumho MX's then the stock tires. I should be able to knock the time down with some stock wheels and tires I got off a WRX.

Oh btw, I have been off the rev limit in 5th gear on stock diameter tires. Some can probably do the math. I've heard that was about 139mph.

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Old 09-25-2003, 09:56 AM   #84
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Pat, its all in the 60' time. IIRC every 10th you drop off the 60' yields 2-3/10ths + MPH up top. Your 2.038 60', quite frankly, doesn't cut the mustard... a 1.8 would likely get you into the 14.9x range! That's damn imprezzive considering you've only got bolt-ons. What I'm noticing is as milage is building, and drivers are getting braver, the 1/4 mi times are dropping from 15.8x+ to 15.0-15.5 w/ simple mods... all in all, not bad for a car rated at 16 flat stock. The other thing to notice, all you borderline 14's folks out there is the MPH that we're trapping at sucks. MPH is a much truer indication of hp than ET and the RS just doesn't make big hp in stock/bolt-on form.
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Old 09-25-2003, 10:02 AM   #85
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Pat, its all in the 60' time. IIRC every 10th you drop off the 60' yields 2-3/10ths + MPH up top. Your 2.038 60', quite frankly, doesn't cut the mustard... a 1.8 would likely get you into the 14.9x range! That's damn imprezzive considering you've only got bolt-ons. What I'm noticing is as milage is building, and drivers are getting braver, the 1/4 mi times are dropping from 15.8x+ to 15.0-15.5 w/ simple mods... all in all, not bad for a car rated at 16 flat stock. The other thing to notice, all you borderline 14's folks out there is the MPH that we're trapping at sucks. MPH is a much truer indication of hp than ET and the RS just doesn't make big hp in stock/bolt-on form.
but with just an intake? seems like a ringer car subaru accidentally released... his 60' times weren't even that good at 1.979
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Old 09-25-2003, 12:18 PM   #86
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RX-7's and the whole rotary thing is pretty cool, especially the turbo's of the last (pre-RX-8) generation. That is, when they're running. And if you have your own personal Shaolin Monk Rotary Engine expert to keep it running. At least that's been my experience.
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Old 09-25-2003, 02:40 PM   #87
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how fast are our cars? fast enough...?
...my new car is fun, but i don't even try to compare it to my impreza.
So you have a 2004 Matrix XRS? I purchased a 2004 Matrix XR back in July because both of my scoobies are in the shop (or was going into the shop). My jeep broke down for the last time and I said that's IT. I know what you mean by the lack of torque. I would've purchased an XRS but I'm an auto-freak and they didn't have the 180hp engine and auto in 2004 model.

Good thing too! I don't speed in this car at all. The lack of torque can get scary while merging. Otherwise, it's perfect for the family needs. They have a TRD supercharger but even while looking at the TRD site at it, wifelady was like . Oh well! I miss torque like there is no tomorrow.

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stop over to matrixowners.com or matrixvibe.net. I'm Myxalplyx in those forums.

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Old 09-25-2003, 04:05 PM   #88
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Ahh, still no one believes me, lol. Anyway, anyone, i mean anyone in the portland area have a scanner?! I'll post this in the local forums, that way someone else see's my timeslips then they can scan them for the world to see! Also, numerous guys on the boards have seen me run at Portland International Racecway (PIR) I don't know what else to say, I will find a darn scanner and show you guys I am legit. Besides, look at my numbers, they are all comparitive to the guy below me who ran slower.
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Old 09-25-2003, 04:16 PM   #89
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Ahh, still no one believes me, lol. Anyway, anyone, i mean anyone in the portland area have a scanner?! I'll post this in the local forums, that way someone else see's my timeslips then they can scan them for the world to see! Also, numerous guys on the boards have seen me run at Portland International Racecway (PIR) I don't know what else to say, I will find a darn scanner and show you guys I am legit. Besides, look at my numbers, they are all comparitive to the guy below me who ran slower.
I think your car must be an abnormality then, b/c he had more mods and not too much worse 60' time and ran slower... your car must be blessed, because pat's car is pretty darn quick...

maybe he granny shifted... j/k
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Old 09-25-2003, 04:20 PM   #90
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I believe ya dood! I've seen people in all these forums and other boards discount you as a liar even with others backing you up, and multiple stories of track days. Don't let it get to you.

To the non-believers - just because your car isn't as fast, or someones ride doesn't fit the "norm", doesn't make it a lie. Yes Ruff has a special car - obviously, he's traping at >88mph with just an intake. I'd like to see a dyno of it compared with a few other 2.5's the same day - I bet it's putting down 20hp+ more than a regular stocker (with his intake)


to the top speed thing I live at 5800ft so it's not even close to 130+mph. I've only done 120 - although she had some more left in her.

p.s. If I'm ever in the Portland area with me GT - I'm going to run out at PIR!!! I want some good times - this altitude is killer on N/A
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Old 09-25-2003, 04:20 PM   #91
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maybe he granny shifted... j/k
not double clutchin like he shoulda...
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Old 09-25-2003, 04:28 PM   #92
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not double clutchin like he shoulda...
Lmao, you guys are funny. Anyway, thanks Farfrumwork, I just need to buy a scanner so I get this die. I think I did get a better car from the factory, I am not the first owner, so how knows how the previous person broke it in. The car was stock from the original owner though, not a single mod, still riding on stock tires. Anyway, I also think I am a pretty decent driver, these times came my second time at the track, approx. 1.5 months after purchasing the car. The weather at the time of this run was optimal, and the run felt flawless. To date, I have probably put down about 12-15 runs all in the 15.0-15.09 range with 1.99 and below 60'.
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Old 09-25-2003, 04:35 PM   #93
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I believe ya dood! I've seen people in all these forums and other boards discount you as a liar even with others backing you up, and multiple stories of track days. Don't let it get to you.

To the non-believers - just because your car isn't as fast, or someones ride doesn't fit the "norm", doesn't make it a lie. Yes Ruff has a special car - obviously, he's traping at >88mph with just an intake. I'd like to see a dyno of it compared with a few other 2.5's the same day - I bet it's putting down 20hp+ more than a regular stocker (with his intake)


to the top speed thing I live at 5800ft so it's not even close to 130+mph. I've only done 120 - although she had some more left in her.

p.s. If I'm ever in the Portland area with me GT - I'm going to run out at PIR!!! I want some good times - this altitude is killer on N/A
Thanks again. Anyway, so true about the altitude robbing power. In august I drove back through southern washington, idaho, and montana, to go visit family in north dakota. My car felt like such a pig going through the mountains in montana. I could gain speed, but man it was slow. Also, I got passed in the mountian curves by a new turbo wagon volvo pulling a small boat!!! Granted I was speading, but this dude was plain hauling arse.
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Old 09-25-2003, 10:38 PM   #94
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not double clutchin like he shoulda...

You should see how hard I launch.
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Old 09-27-2003, 10:20 PM   #95
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I know what you mean by the lack of torque. I would've purchased an XRS but I'm an auto-freak and they didn't have the 180hp engine and auto in 2004 model.

Good thing too! I don't speed in this car at all. The lack of torque can get scary while merging. Otherwise, it's perfect for the family needs. They have a TRD supercharger but even while looking at the TRD site at it, wifelady was like . Oh well! I miss torque like there is no tomorrow.

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i dunno, i really don't notice the lack of torque...like i said, i keep the engine on the boil all the time now that it's broken in. and get waaaaaaay less than the advertised 24/30 mpg. that lump gets mighty thirsty on the high lift cam. once you get used to driving the car, you can really fly...mastering the tranny is the secret to getting this thing to haul. you only drop about 500rpm between gears once you get it down. can't imagine it with an auto.

love the car so far though. my only gripe is the DAMN ALL SEASON RADIALS on this thing. as soon as you don't step off from the light like a grandma or some to a safety stop to make a turn, everyone within earshot knows. stock suspension is suprisingly good. smooth, but not squishy, very little dive under hard braking. brakes are typical toyota (good and magically almost dustless).

it's not a sube, and i've given up my status as a card carrying i-cl...err NABISCO'er, and i'm sure my "must invite" status at meets has gone down a bit, but oh well. tis a fun ride, and very practical when needed (and my insurance company says it's a corolla wagon!). i'm on matrixvibe, as dethink. checked it out, but there's really not much tech stuff. which is fine, since i now have a car payment. mine's black and stock. perfect sleeper car. as many of these as i see everyday, i've only seen one other XRS. people look really shocked when they see something this big get up and move, and make S2000/superbike-like noises.

...and if the almighty of the old school, Kevin Thomas has one, i don't feel like a big traitor now.
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Old 10-03-2003, 03:53 AM   #96
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A matrix isnt a sleeper, they're slow. Anyway, you don't need a Shaolin monk to build a rotary, Mine runs a 13.43 with intake, exhaust, weight reduction, and upped boost, and Im currently putting a T04E, half-bridge-ported engine, and a whole assload of goodies into it. I wish my RS couldbe that fast for little cash.
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Old 10-03-2003, 01:39 PM   #97
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No doubt, the turbo rotary mazda's are fast stock, with lots and lots of potential. Have you had any problems with yours? How many miles? No offense, but my impression of rotary motors was that they were excellent when running, but prone to sudden and catastrophic loss of compression, which is why Mazda stopped making them for a while. I'd love to be wrong about that...the Gen3 body style was so cool...

Would I give up my modded RS for one? Probably not, but it'd be nice to be in your shoes and have both!
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Old 10-03-2003, 02:29 PM   #98
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No doubt, the turbo rotary mazda's are fast stock, with lots and lots of potential. Have you had any problems with yours? How many miles? No offense, but my impression of rotary motors was that they were excellent when running, but prone to sudden and catastrophic loss of compression, which is why Mazda stopped making them for a while. I'd love to be wrong about that...the Gen3 body style was so cool...

Would I give up my modded RS for one? Probably not, but it'd be nice to be in your shoes and have both!
The #1 problem was the Apex seals (kind of the rotary equivalent to piston rings). Rotaries run hot, turbo rotaries run VERY hot... not to hard to connect the dots. You may notice that the new Renesis isn't factory turbocharged in any market yet... Mazda won't let the 13B's sorid past ruin a beautiful new design. As for the old motors, they could be made very stout but the seals had to be strengthened first.
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Old 10-03-2003, 06:33 PM   #99
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Yeah, alot of the problems with rotaries are the owners fault. They don't upgrade the cooling system, intercooler, or Fuel System and Apex seals will let go with just slight pinging. The 3rd Gen RX-7s had way more cooling system problems than the 2nd Gen. My 87 RX-7 has 68K original miles on it, and I have yet to have any problems besides getting pulled over in it too much for having a 3" catless single Turboback on the car, lol. Here's what I'll be doing over the winter.

Greddy FMIC, T04E 60-1, Fluidyne Radiator, Black Magic E-Fan, Tokico adjustable struts, new suspension bushings, Eibach Springs, Haltech E6K, and a bunch of other stuff. Hopefully I can get it how I want it so I can eventually turbo my RS.
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Old 10-03-2003, 08:14 PM   #100
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For the record: My friend's jetta 1.8t with APR stage 1 and exhaust flat out crushes my car on the highway. Up to 60 it's a little closer, but those engines are one of the easiest to make fast ever.

Compared to other "sport compacts" they hold their own going straight, but they are still SLOW. Handling wise, they are very easy to tune and handle amazingly well when set-up properly.
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