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Old 10-03-2003, 09:36 PM   #101
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Yeah I had a 2nd gen turbo, an 87' TII. It was pretty reliable although more tempermental than my subie has ever been. In comparison to the FDs I thnk the 3rd gens had more issues. In my opinion they were alittle too highly tuned from the factory and reliability suffered. People who know them and take care of them dont have too many problems but for the average person to go to a dealer and buy a car and just drive it, well its not really the car for them in my opinion. Apex seals have always been a problem. Alot of cars i know that were well maintained but driven hard have had at least one rebuild/reseal already.

If you take care of them, know what you are doing and tune it propery, rotaries are awesome.

(joefocker20- Ive still got an 87TII parts car with engine and trans and others and a non turbo parts car if your interested )
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Old 10-19-2003, 02:31 AM   #102
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Well i have gotten my RS up to about 140.. racing against a WRX.. we slowed down after about that mark and he hollared over to me that we were clockin about +/- 140 ... shes nearly all stock minus Borla headers and STI suspension... and i was surprised she was EXTREMELY stable plus i was running Z rated tires which wont effect speed but does have somthing to do with stability and traction
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Old 10-19-2003, 06:57 AM   #103
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A RS would be 30 buslengths behind a WRX by 140MPH in stock form..
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Old 10-19-2003, 07:02 PM   #104
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no way on earth an RS will hit 140 stock... it can't even quite hit 120 stock due to drag... it would take quite a bit to hit 140, probably heavy NA build or FI...
On a private access road in the mountians I was able to hit 120... it took a few miles and quite some time. (5MT MY02 OBS) It still had some kick left in it, but I figured, what the hell is the point if I don't know how fast I'm going any more?

I did this with a ski rack on top too, it had to be retightened and it whistled like a biatch!
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Old 10-20-2003, 12:04 AM   #105
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Im hitting 115-120 in fourth and the car has plenty of pull left in fifth, but I havent been able to really go all out since I dont do any highway driving (and if I do there's traffic!!).

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Old 10-20-2003, 12:42 AM   #106
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we wern't really racing.. he was staying right behind me in my draft so to speak... it might have been a combination of that .. cause 2 cars in a draft can go faster then 1 car one thier own..but i still think that peoples underestimate the stock RS... i did this on I-89 in VT... about 1 month ago.. the dude was in a white WRX with Mass plates.. so.. *shrug*
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Old 10-20-2003, 01:41 AM   #107
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Im hitting 115-120 in fourth and the car has plenty of pull left in fifth, but I havent been able to really go all out since I dont do any highway driving (and if I do there's traffic!!).

Dan
I was about to wave a huge BS flag until I realized who posted that! As it is, you need to mention to the rest of us how it is you managed to go 20 mph faster in 4th than the rest of us.
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Old 10-20-2003, 06:08 AM   #108
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People dont underestimate RS's, they are slow in N/A form unless you're demented like Dan
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Old 10-20-2003, 06:09 AM   #109
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whatever you say dude!
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Old 10-20-2003, 06:49 AM   #110
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They are, mine with Borla Headers, Ganzflow, K&N filter, Exedy Clutch, Exedy 13lb flywheel, no cats, Stromung Catback, Bypassed TB, About 200lbs removed, and a ton of other mods only ran a 17.0 at the drag strip.
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Old 10-20-2003, 06:53 AM   #111
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Then you just don't know how to drive your car! Subaru puts a stock 2.5 at 16 flat in th 1/4 mile, and people are really getting them into the 15's, even high 14's w/just CIA. Everyone else that reads this post is just going to laugh at you. I would sugest you learn how to drive your car before you go and mod the thing, because obviously you don't know what you're doing. And don't try telling me you do, and that you have been to the strip before to race. I already know you are full of it by the numbers you just posted. This may be mean of me to say but it is the truth, and everyone here will agree w/me on that. LEARN TO DRIVE!!!
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Old 10-20-2003, 06:55 AM   #112
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I live at 6K ft elevation NEWB, we lose roughly 18% of our HP in a N/A car here. My RX-7 cuts low 13s all day with a grand in mods, so I know how to drive..
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Old 10-20-2003, 06:57 AM   #113
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Then move to lower elevation, and you will see that the RS is not as slow as you think it is. If it is, then you need help
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Old 10-20-2003, 06:59 AM   #114
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Well, Im not going to move to just make my low 17 second car a 14 second car, 14s are slow, I'm trying to get my other car into the 11s up here, and when my RS's warranty is up, it's getting turboed.
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Old 10-20-2003, 07:03 AM   #115
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Compared to a lot of other cars out there the RS is not as slow as you think. Compared to a moded RX-7 yes it is slow. DUH. But against other cars in its class it is faster then most, and if done right the RS can be moded to haul some serious ass. Good luck with your turbo on the RS that should be fun. I might turbo mine, but I might be getting a WRX in december or January.
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Old 10-20-2003, 10:40 AM   #116
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yeah I kinda agree an RS is nothing crazy, its pretty average. In its class... Ide say its middle road, faster than some and slower than others. Either way they are neat and i like them.

X4 SRT- I think when you finally get a ride in or drive a "fast" car you will realize what an RS really is.
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Old 10-20-2003, 11:42 AM   #117
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Geez.
This thread has gotten terribly off topic and incredibly gay with all this talk of "my top speed after 10 miles is faster than your top speed" and "you are a liar because your car isn't that fast" The topic was how fast are our cars? Die thread. Die...
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Old 10-20-2003, 03:00 PM   #118
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It's simple really.
"Our cars" are just a decent sports cars, but amazing all around cars. It does everything good. You can set it up for basically any condition you want to drive in and it's reliable enough to withstand a sufficient amount of punishment. It looks really nice but doesn't attract alot of attention from cops (unless you put on some attention getting things)
It's honestly a perfect all around car in my opinion, that's why I bought one.
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Old 10-20-2003, 08:04 PM   #119
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Especially in heavy winter areas, like here. I pullpeople out of snowbanks at night when I get bored. I get good tips usually too! But I dont accept them, i just like showing what suby's can do. And I agree that it is an excellent all round car.

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Old 10-20-2003, 11:49 PM   #120
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Hey Dan, how goes your build? Got the Link running good and the other misc stuff?

I think some are awaiting more dyno reports or 1/4 mile slips.
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Old 10-21-2003, 04:39 AM   #121
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in Joe's defense, i lived in NC before moving to CO. RS's are still slow at sea level. really really slow.

high 14's isn't really fast. yeah, sure compared to a prelude or a civic si or something it's OK. Not fast by any means though.

i'll be damned if i wasn't grinning ear to ear when i was sideways in mine with full confidence the other day though. now if i could just get rid of this damned exhaust rattle.
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Old 10-21-2003, 07:33 AM   #122
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Hawk don't try and tell me what a fast car is; I know what they are. I've driven an RS, WRX, STI, been in a prosche turbo, 350Z, 300ZX, RX-7's. So beleive me, I know what fast cars are. For our car's time and the money it cost, it is not a slow car compared to what was avaliable at the time. 14 sec for a stock 4cyl 165hp car is not slow. Mustangs with more power can have tourble keeping up with us.
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Old 10-21-2003, 11:31 AM   #123
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haha sorry i stil dont think they are fast. As i said pretty average. What porsche turbo have you been in?? 944? 930? 996? 993? theres quite a difference, some are not fast some are quick and some are fast.

I personally have not seen a totally stock 2.5RS run 14's. even so thats not that quick.

but then again i have yet to be beat in the snow, so i guess its all relative?

either way they are neat cars and fit multiple roles petty well.
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Old 10-21-2003, 01:29 PM   #124
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Well im not gonna touch the "14 second stock RS"...but I will comment about speed.

Not to be fatalistic about the whole ordeal, but honestly...what is fast? To the guy above who knows what fast is, what would the driver of an 8 second tubbed Duster say to that?

To even compare speed you need a benchmark. A 2.5 RS is somewhere between a 5-speed BMX bike and that of a Jet fighter.

Im mostly joking, but honestly the idea of the classification of "fast" is so dumb it bugs me.

As far as im concerned the only "fast" cars at the drags are the high schoolers in the 16 second Honda's while the more meek racers are in the corner running 11's and saying to their friends, "well, it does ok...but its not fast yet "

Lets get specific though:

Taking the 2.5 RS and placing it among the normally aspirated sport compact type cars, it ranks about mid pack for overall performance. Classifying the Integra Type R as probably the fastest NA Sport Compact in all the areas, and a Civic DX struggling somewhere around the 18's stock as the slowest.

If you want to go one step further, its the cheapest AWD brand you can buy.

If you want the turbo model, it offers the best (SCC) platform (in my opinion) to build for the mid $20,000 bracket while having TONS of parts available from the modest intakes to full out dog-box transmissions.

The 2.5 RS platform is the best cubic inch/weight ratio (I believe)for the money if your looking to build a NA AWD car. Its also quite balanced and there are tons of parts for them. Compare this motor to that of a NA Audi build and you will see my point.

Where does an AWD car rank for speed among the rest of the setups? It ranks about midpack as well depending of course on the situation. Long ago, Sport Compact Car did a FWD vs. AWD vs. RWD.

The advantage to the FWD setup is that its the most simple to drive. With the transaxle you also lose the least power to the wheels (however, any rear or mid engine car has the same advantage). The disadvantage is your front wheels are forced to do alot while driving fast...resulting in hot brakes, hot tires, torque steer, and leaving the apex of most corners further out than a balanced RWD. In FWD's defense, they can pull very nice slalom and autocross times if setup right due to the low speeds and front wheels steering though the cones...compared to a race-ready Miata though they dont last long.

The advantage to AWD is being able to put emense power to the ground. Putting power down though tight corners and dead stops while also adverse conditions gives them an advantage also. The disadvantages include having a typically sensative stock drivetrain since there isnt much wheelspin to release the tension. Another is that they typically are a bit heavier and also lose more power though the drivetrain than transaxle type cars or full transmission/diff setups.

Rear wheel drives advantages are that they can be lighter and better balanced than either of the above. Transaxle cars typically have better than 50/50 distribution while their transmission relatives slightly more front biased...these cars though can typically have much beefier components upgraded (transmission, driveshaft, diff). Disadvantages are that they are prone to power-on oversteer...which can be adventagious if used correctly. This also makes them harder to drive, but more rewarding if done correctly.

Note: How many Ferrari's are FWD? The GT series of Porsche drops the AWD and increases the horsepower...interesting.

So whats the point of this ultra longwinded post?

Fast is relative, the Subaru line offers good platforms for intermediate to serious performance if built...is your glass half empty or full?
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Old 10-21-2003, 02:47 PM   #125
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I would have to agree with some people so far, but not others.

Honestly, I think RSs are pretty damn slow. The handling is even worse from the factory. However, there is a lot of potential underneath. And I think that's what people aspire to.

I remember when I took my GC8 to the first auto-x, with stock everything, and it was the most embarassing thing EVAR!! It was horrible. I couldn't turn, and when the car did turn in, it wouldn't commit to a line, blah blah blah.

Off-the-line speed? What's that? I personally think "drag" or "stoplight" racing is for (sorry about this guys) sissies. I hate it. Most of my friends, including myself, would rather find a road, clock it, and clock each other. I PERSONALLY prefer that as a guage of skill than who has a bigger car. But, hey also remmember I don't condone street racing. HOWEVER, I did try launching once, against a really annoying Civic SI, and although he didn't leave me in the dust, I didn't leave him either. By then the next light came up and I had to pee. Off the line our car is still pretty slow.

But most of that's pretty different now. I've done a lot suspension work, and minor engine work. The car handles like a go-kart now. If you've got the money and the time, then the GC8 tuning potential is awesome. You can kick some pretty serious butt. But out of the box, the car sucks!
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