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Old 09-10-2003, 10:55 PM   #1
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Default Dont change your oil or filter for 10 years:

http://www.synlube.com/

"SynLube™ Lube-4-Life ® ...for Engines is backed up, if installed in NEW vehicles, by our exclusive Limited Lubrication Performance Warranty for up to:
10 Years or 300,000 Miles (10 years or 500,000 Kilometers)"


stuff on filter from site: Long Service Life - up to 10 Years or 100,000 miles


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seems a little extreme for me but if you can do it its good news for the hippys and bad news for saudi arabia.
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Old 09-11-2003, 01:14 AM   #2
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They describe their filtering material as full flow:
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SynLube™ MicroGlass™ technology solves the problem by using special synthetic glass microfibers that are about 10 times smaller than conventional cellulose filter fibers (shown below). This allows a full flow oil filter to have following performance:

99% particle removal that are 10 micron in size
98% particle removal that are 7 micron in size
95% particle removal that are 5 micron in size
and then they say here:

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Primary filters are standard on most engines. They are also called “full-flow” because 100% of the engine oil passes through them in normal operation. The filters must work without introducing a lot of restriction, or else oil will not flow into the engine during cold start-ups. This is one reason the full-flow filter allows passage of the comparatively small contaminants; trying to catch everything would restrict flow.
If blockage occurs in the filter, bypass valves open. This allows oil to go around the filter and back to the engine. In this situation, lubrication with unfiltered oil is better than none at all.
So I'm assuming this still has a bypass valve and you will still have unfiltered oil when you need a lot of oil pressure. The canton mecca filter does not have a bypass valve and can filter down to 8 microns. You can check it out at cmfilters.com. Even those filters they recommend changing out the filter element at 10k miles for the 4" model, 15k miles for the 6" model. I don't see how the SynLube one can go longer than the CM Filter, I would be hesitant to run the SynLube stuff. I'm running the remote mount 6" CM filter based on a lot of reading and recommendations from AZScoobie and mr2guru. I'm sure others are using it as well, can't remember their names.
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Old 09-11-2003, 01:15 AM   #3
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I believe amsoil refers to their filters as full flow as well but they have bypass valves too.

Their filter seems to be a regular high quality filter, I saw in one of the pics it said "Hard Driver" or something like that, wasnt/isnt that a filter manufacturer?

They also brag about their non-stick gasket - It better be non-stick if its gunna be on there for 10 f'ing years!

I think they would be more believable without the filter claims.

They are definitely in uncharted territory. There seems to be other places making stuff on par with them quality wise who wont make claims like that.

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Old 09-11-2003, 02:22 AM   #4
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The canton mecca filter does not have a bypass valve and can filter down to 8 microns. You can check it out at cmfilters.com. Even those filters they recommend changing out the filter element at 10k miles for the 4" model, 15k miles for the 6" model. I don't see how the SynLube one can go longer than the CM Filter, I would be hesitant to run the SynLube stuff. I'm running the remote mount 6" CM filter based on a lot of reading and recommendations from AZScoobie and mr2guru. I'm sure others are using it as well, can't remember their names.
Is this the one you have?

http://www.cmfilters.com/remote_filt...il_filters.htm

How much did the remote mount system add to your oil capacity? About how much will the complete setup run me?


Amsoil has CMs 8 micron claim beat with their bypass filter:

"The AMSOIL By-Pass Oil Filter removes particles as small as 1/10 of a micron"

http://www.amsoil.com/products/bf.html

Here is a dual remote filter setup on a Forester:
http://www.amsoil.com/bypassfilters/rowsell/index.htm

I think I like the amsoil setup because it adds alot of capacity along with its superior filtering.

Here is an interesting setup on a Honda:
http://www.advanced-synthetics.com/1998_integra.htm

Anyone familiar with oil pressure accumulators?
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Old 09-11-2003, 11:07 AM   #5
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Yeah, that's the one I have. Total oil capacity didn't change too much, I didn't really pay too much attention to it because it was one of the last things I've done on the car before it got stored in the garage, but no more than about 1/2 - 2/3 qt. It also depends on what size line you use and where you put your filter. The amsoil setup looks good too, but the bypass filter is really big from the pictures I've seen, don't know where it would fit under the hood.

Here Tim Sanderson did a good price breakdown of the ams system:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ghlight=amsoil

Here's a good writeup of a guy doing his CM remote filter mount:
http://tech.hybridgarage.com/tech/cmfilter/

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Old 09-11-2003, 06:56 PM   #6
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Lightbulb SynLube Lube-4-Life®

To SUBARU owners:

I have just receive link from someone to check out the current discusion and to comment on our products SynLube Lube-4-Life.

1.) YES the products ARE for real and have been used since 1969 and I actually USED to have 360 (two of them) - and SynLube worked even on the two cylinder two stroke with oil injection just fine.

2.) The products have now been used for as long as 20 years (in FIAT X1/9) and as long as 176,000 miles (in 1982 Mercedes Turbo Diesel) without oil changes.

3.) The OIL - DOES NOT NEED TO BE CHANGED even in TURBO cars. Although we do recommend that the oil is sampled at 5 years or 50,000 miles.

4.) The OIL FILTER however MUST be chagned, on most SUBARU cars two year or 25,000 miles is propper interval.

5.) There are few links to real SUBARU owners that have had SynLube in their cars for some time - on our web
www.synlube.com
http://www.synlube.com

Navigate to SYN USERS > SUBARU

6.) The SynLube Lube-4-Life is a PERMANENT LUBRICANT that has no definite life, but we recommend 10 year or 150,000 miles oil changes, but even then WE REPLACE the USED OIL with FRESH OIL - FREE of CHARGE (except shipping costs).

7.) The real expense therefore is the cost of oil filters at about $24.00 each and what ever oil the engine uses "burns or leaks" which is usually from 5,000 miles to as much as 13,000 miles per quart of ADD OIL.

If you have any specific questions you can e-mail me

synlube@aol.com

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Old 09-11-2003, 07:07 PM   #7
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Exclamation By-pass oil filter systems

Do not waste time and money on these, they are just NOT cost effective over the useful life of a NORMAL car.

In HD trucks that log OVER 1,000,000 miles between overhauls they just barely pay for themselves.

The installation on cars for most part is VERY DIFFICULT, it is source of line and seal leaks, and can ultimately cost you the engine that you "think" you will be protecting.

I personally know of about 25 engine failures due to poorly installed by-pass systems that leaked.

NO MATTER HOW GOOD OIL YOU HAVE HAD in the engine, when it all leaks out and you do not STOP immediately - ther WILL be engine damage.

Better ol filter is much more effective but cost and function.

Better oil is of curse the BEST investment, as the ULTIMATE lubricants will not cause wear and sludge - the reason why filter is there in the first place to remove both.

average sludge particle is about 60 microns.

Low cost oil filters (in $1.00 range) will take care of that just fine.

What matters on OIL FILTER is the GASKET, as thet is what holds the filter to the engine, aged gasket will either harden or soften.

In either case the seal will be lost and the engine vibration will UNSCREW the oil filter to the point that the oil will all leak out, that can happen in as few as 30 seconds at 60 MPH - that is how fast the oil is pumped through the system.

Any time you are MODIFYING OEM tested and designed system, you are asking for problems, plus no OEM will fix the engine under warranty if you have problem.
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Old 09-11-2003, 08:40 PM   #8
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There is no amount of bull you can sling nor any amount of foo foo dust you can spread that will make me even think once about not changing my oil for 100,000 miles. You could give me a setup for free and I wouldn't do it !


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Old 09-12-2003, 12:44 AM   #9
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Hahahahah, he said "foo foo dust"

I agree, I've seen the insides of engines who haven't had oil changes for 20,000 miles, I'd feel too guilty...
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Old 09-12-2003, 01:24 AM   #10
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It is definitely extreme but I bet on the average most members of nasioc change their oil 2 or 3 times more than they have to.
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Old 09-12-2003, 10:20 PM   #11
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...which is better than changing your engine 2 or 3 times too much .


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Old 09-13-2003, 12:21 AM   #12
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Old 10-04-2003, 01:37 AM   #13
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Actually I have it in my car it's been 2.5 yrs and have close to 30k on the oil, I have'nt drained it at all, however I do not own a subie I own a Maxima my oil consumption has been 1qt in 18k. I've had the oil analyzed at that time and it is in perfect shape and the wear is just about nil.

I've used amsoil for over 12 yrs and have had excellent with success using there recommedations, so it wasn't surprising to me to see that another synthetic is possible to achieve a longer duration coupled with longer engine protection.

I'll soon be installing this product synlube in a 2002 TS Wagon Impreza and monitor the results religiously, I can confidently say I do not expect any issues or ramification.
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Old 10-04-2003, 05:33 PM   #14
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Yeah right,

Try explaining that to the dealership if you have any sort of engine problems that you would like to have warrantied.
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Old 10-07-2003, 02:34 AM   #15
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The filter with no by pass is not a terrific idea. If the filter were to clogg, the main oil galley would be starved for oil. And if it were clogged, and your oil pressure guage is installed on the wrong side of the filter, you might not see a problem.

I wonder how you would determine " nil" engine wear without a teardown. You test the oil for impurities right? I thought the impurities were getting caught by the filter.

Holy cow!!! That is very pricey.

Why do you suppose they sell the oil filter magnets?

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