Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Tuesday September 30, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Miscellaneous > Off-Topic

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-15-2003, 01:47 PM   #1
Mike Wevrick
RIP 1/19/64 - 7/23/11
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 24654
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: saraseager.com
Vehicle:
1957 Taggart Comet
atlasshruggedpart1.com

Default Do you care about your ethnic heritage?

Do you care about your family's and ethnic group's history and customs or do you feel like just an American (or Canuckian)? It was never a big deal when I was growing up so I don't really care but my wife was raised with more Jewish tradition and cares more about it. She thinks our kids should learn about Jewish history etc.; I don't see the point. (We are both atheists and are not active in the Jewish community).

Discuss.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Mike Wevrick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 01:51 PM   #2
MrBlue
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 34978
Join Date: Apr 2003
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Red Sox Nation
Vehicle:
2006 WRX
Gray

Default

I wish my ancestors weren't so quick to become "americanized". It would be nice if they held on to some of the traditions and passed them down.

I feel like I have no history
MrBlue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 01:51 PM   #3
raj100
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 8645
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: IDP
Default

I dont really care. I am mostly German and I like beer and German food... Plus I'd rather learn to speak German than Spanish or something...
raj100 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 01:52 PM   #4
CandyO
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 36091
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: SC
Vehicle:
2006 Golf TDI
FTW!!!

Default

Well, it's hard to answer because I knew that on my maternal side of the family there's a strong native american thing, and I found out the other night that this is true for my paternal family too. Other than that we're English. Nobody carried the NA traditions down through the family so I guess those ancestors must've decided assimilation was more important to them at the time. I dunno. I'm interested in my family geneology in general because nobody else in the family seems to have kept any records or cared that much. Plus, we're all kinda crazy so it'd be interesting to see what was going on in past generations.
CandyO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 01:52 PM   #5
gongzero
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 25040
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: E. Canada
Location: Montreal, Canuckistan
Vehicle:
Up with skirts,
down with pants!

Default

canuckistani, dammit.

well... i'm greek, born in canada. while i do feel some kinship with otehr greeks here, it's really not strong. nor do i feel particularly tied to canada, and while i wouldn't really want the province of quebec to secede, that's because of practicality issues more than anything else.

i guess i've always felt that one should try to transcend associations to groups, like religion, nationality, race, even gender. they only serve to create artificial boundaries and limits that keep humanity from progressing to something greater than the sum of its parts.

<archie tuttle>we're all in this together.</archie tuttle>
gongzero is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 01:56 PM   #6
AC Lerok
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 7918
Join Date: Jun 2001
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Haterz no like.
Vehicle:
2007 FSXT
Obsidian Black Pearl

Default

i'm irish by heritage and very proud of it, but that's probably because it was a big deal to my parents.
AC Lerok is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 01:56 PM   #7
Snoopy
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 700
Join Date: Jan 2000
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: BANNED!
Vehicle:
99 Impreza RS
Silverthorn Metallic

Default

I care. Ethnicity and cultural background is what makes me.....me.

Although I don't flaunt it.

If someone cares to know who I am, they can ask me. But I ain't gonna wear a T-shirt that says "______ Pride!"
Snoopy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 02:00 PM   #8
Eric SS
Sooby Guru
 
Member#: 1914
Join Date: Jul 2000
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Location: 2013 335i, 2011 G37 coupe
Vehicle:
2000 2.5RS w/ EJ22T
swap and N20. gone. : (

Default

I'm proud of my heritage but I'm not going to Tattoo myself with a Shamrock. I've never even been to Ireland or Scotland.

People that do that stuff without having ever even at least gone there are weird.
Eric SS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 02:02 PM   #9
xfrickx
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 7267
Join Date: Jun 2001
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: SF CA
Vehicle:
1994 Honda VFR RC-36
2002 Subaru 2.5RS

Default

I am such a mutt, I would have no idea what to have pride in???
xfrickx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 02:04 PM   #10
billzebub
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 40248
Join Date: Jul 2003
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Asheville, NC
Vehicle:
2003 WRX
Midnight Pearl (black)

Default

I wish I didn't have as much Irish in me so I could walk around outside once in a while.

The yellow face! It burns us! We just stays in our cave and guards our precious!
billzebub is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 02:05 PM   #11
MrBlue
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 34978
Join Date: Apr 2003
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Red Sox Nation
Vehicle:
2006 WRX
Gray

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Eric SS
I'm proud of my heritage but I'm not going to Tattoo myself with a Shamrock. I've never even been to Ireland or Scotland.

People that do that stuff without having ever even at least gone there are weird.



What if I cant afford a trip to Ireland but want to display the pride in my heritage by getting an Irish flag tattoo? I dont see how that could be viewed as weird.
MrBlue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 02:06 PM   #12
Brad Pittiful
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 34931
Join Date: Apr 2003
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: A Town Called Malice
Vehicle:
. .
This ain't no picnic!

Default

i care more now then i was a kid...there was no mention of it when i was a kid until i say i was 18 or so...when my parents went to ireland...and after that i tried to learn alot about ireland and germany where most of my heritage is even though my german side is maybe 10%
Brad Pittiful is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 02:08 PM   #13
Eric SS
Sooby Guru
 
Member#: 1914
Join Date: Jul 2000
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Location: 2013 335i, 2011 G37 coupe
Vehicle:
2000 2.5RS w/ EJ22T
swap and N20. gone. : (

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBlue





What if I cant afford a trip to Ireland but want to display the pride in my heritage by getting an Irish flag tattoo? I dont see how that could be viewed as weird.
I don't se how someone can have "Irish Pride" when they don't know anything about Ireland and have never even stepped foot there.

Now, I went there to visit and fine my roots, got a taste for the people there, and found some family history, then I could maybe understand it.

BUT, that being said, I would never get an Irish Flag over an AMerican Flag. There's a difference between a Flag and a Shamrock IMHO.
Eric SS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 02:12 PM   #14
IggDawg
Celebrity Guest Star
 
Member#: 10648
Join Date: Sep 2001
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Sort of Boston, MA
Vehicle:
2002 Escort... D:
Mostly kind of white

Default

I don't care really. parts is parts. we're all human. "heritage" is meaningless for the most part. I think "racial pride" is a bad idea. maybe it's just me. but that's my opinion.

-IggDawg
IggDawg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 02:16 PM   #15
hotsam
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3862
Join Date: Jan 2001
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Boxborough, MA
Default

I'm American and that's all that matters to me. Calling myself Anglo-American would be devisive.
hotsam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 02:16 PM   #16
Mike Wevrick
RIP 1/19/64 - 7/23/11
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 24654
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: saraseager.com
Vehicle:
1957 Taggart Comet
atlasshruggedpart1.com

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by gongzero

i guess i've always felt that one should try to transcend associations to groups, like religion, nationality, race, even gender. they only serve to create artificial boundaries and limits that keep humanity from progressing to something greater than the sum of its parts.
This and Igg's comment is pretty much how I feel. On the other hand, even though I am only half-Jewish, I have a lot more interest in Jewish history and culture than other groups.

What about the kids issue? I see no harm in my kids learning Jewish cultural/historical stuff, but no real benefit either.
Mike Wevrick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 02:23 PM   #17
YoungWilliams
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 11311
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Laoag City, Ilocos Norte
Default

Why would I care? My dad's side is part German, part Swiss-Italian (from the Alps on the border, so we're not sure exactly which 'ethnicity' we are), but the family has been here for generations. My mom's side is Irish and English, but has also been here for generations.

Why should I feel a connection to someone or something that has had zero influence on my life? If I were an immigrant or even first generation, I might understand, but otherwise, eh. I'm not a big fan of hyphenated-American labels.
YoungWilliams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 02:24 PM   #18
Beam
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 29742
Join Date: Nov 2002
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: The Wu, MA
Vehicle:
2011 Ah Subaru.
I missed you.

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by billzebub
I wish I didn't have as much Irish in me so I could walk around outside once in a while.

The yellow face! It burns us! We just stays in our cave and guards our precious!

Yeah, Irish Scotch and Welsh here, though I am one of the ones lucky enough to tan rather than burn. Skin cancer still runs in the family though....
I know quite a bit about my family's history, and I know which relatives to ask when the details get fuzzy. It gives me a sense of familial history. In keeping with family tradition, I have a claddagh ring worn heart inward to show my (lack of) availability.
I also know enough about it to make a conversation should someone ask.
But that's just me. If you feel that a tattoo, or a flag hanging from your rearview mirror, or any of the other ways people remember their roots is the way to go, do it. Remember your heritage, remember the hardships those before you suffered, and move forward. It is not a soapbox to stand on, nor an open wound to bare, or an excuse for special treatment. Read some history. Part of the rite of passage for any group to be "americanized" is discrimination.
Uh, with that, I'll step down from my soapbox...
Beam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 02:26 PM   #19
Pakin
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 17315
Join Date: Apr 2002
Chapter/Region: International
Location: Date Line Denies F-22s
Vehicle:
MY95 Impreza 207C
MY05 Forester 257X

Default

Why do I care about my ethnic heritage?

Because one day I'll move back to where my parents grew up. Best to start early.

-paK +1
Pakin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 02:26 PM   #20
incorporeal
Guest
 
Member#:
Default

My grandpa is (was) directly from Donnegal county Ireland where his family lived in an old castle there. I'm planning on visiting there soon. And yea, I am getting a few shamrock tatoos for fill ins when i get a sleeve done. I like Irish music, I go to the Irish pubs in town alot, go to the irish festival, and can drink almost anyone under the table. I am 75% Irish 25% Japanese.


FTW
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 02:27 PM   #21
CandyO
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 36091
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: SC
Vehicle:
2006 Golf TDI
FTW!!!

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by IggDawg
I don't care really. parts is parts. we're all human. "heritage" is meaningless for the most part. -IggDawg
I see your point and agree to an extent, but I also think that it's interesting to learn the story of your family, to discover how they lived, how they saw the world, and ethnic identity is an undeniable part of that history. I don't think it's good for that identity to be a person's sole identity, but I think a little pride is a good thing. Stories and traditions are the things that tie families together, just like eating turkey and watching football on Thanksgiving day do for some of us. Simple things like that can be very important in keeping people together. This doesn't mean that other people have to be excluded , just that we acknowledge those who came before us and honor them in traditions.
CandyO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 02:28 PM   #22
gongzero
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 25040
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: E. Canada
Location: Montreal, Canuckistan
Vehicle:
Up with skirts,
down with pants!

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Mike Wevrick
What about the kids issue? I see no harm in my kids learning Jewish cultural/historical stuff, but no real benefit either.
depends on how the kids are taught. i was raised to develop my own beliefs, for the most part, about who i was and where i came from. i saw the danger in fierce pride and blind acceptance. for that, i'm grateful to my parents.

some people take a different pedagogical approach to teaching a child about their culture/religion, which is borderline propaganda. this is where it can be harmful. i hear enough stupid francophone kids ranting about anglophones, and enough stupid anglophone kids ranting about francophones, and both whine about the allophones... you can almost see the image of their father whispering in their ear as they spew nonsense.
gongzero is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 02:29 PM   #23
Drift Monkey
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 41227
Join Date: Aug 2003
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Houston, TX
Vehicle:
2005 Legacy 2.5GT
Garnet Red Pearl

Default

Well...I'm a first generation Vietnamese-American...and I think well...it DOES mean something to me. It doesn't consume me and motivate me to force my opinions or traditions on others, but in a way, I am kind of proud of it. We are all human, and this is true....but I've learned that not all people are the same - which is a good thing. Take in the good, leave out the bad. My family has taught me never to forget my roots.
Drift Monkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 02:32 PM   #24
peepshow
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1777
Join Date: Jun 2000
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Charlotte, NC USofA
Vehicle:
2005 LGT
#92 FZippy

Default

English, Irish, Scotch, Dutch, French and German. So, no, I don't feel much of a tie to any of those "cultures". I, for one, do not feel that your ancestry makes you "you". But, to each his (or her) own.

- Trent
peepshow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2003, 02:34 PM   #25
IggDawg
Celebrity Guest Star
 
Member#: 10648
Join Date: Sep 2001
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Sort of Boston, MA
Vehicle:
2002 Escort... D:
Mostly kind of white

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by CandyO


I see your point and agree to an extent, but I also think that it's interesting to learn the story of your family, to discover how they lived, how they saw the world, and ethnic identity is an undeniable part of that history. I don't think it's good for that identity to be a person's sole identity, but I think a little pride is a good thing. Stories and traditions are the things that tie families together, just like eating turkey and watching football on Thanksgiving day do for some of us. Simple things like that can be very important in keeping people together. This doesn't mean that other people have to be excluded , just that we acknowledge those who came before us and honor them in traditions.
I agree. I can't really disagree with anything you've typed. certainly some people will take to their ethnic identity more than others. it's all a matter of personal preference I suppose. not for me tho. I don't need any prepackaged identity

-IggDawg
IggDawg is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Nerds: do you care about today's date? Matt A Off-Topic 21 03-03-2009 07:01 PM
Do you care about your reputation? stattonmw North West Impreza Club Forum -- NWIC 21 02-18-2008 12:36 PM
Do you care about ads on websites? Mach5WRX Off-Topic 12 08-21-2006 04:48 PM
Do you care if your spouse makes more $$$ than you? Strider Off-Topic 32 03-24-2005 03:50 PM
Do you care about your (future) spouse's religion? Mike Wevrick Off-Topic 86 04-17-2004 12:14 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:22 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.