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Old 11-10-2000, 04:49 AM   #1
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Post Amusing Post on Club DSM's Digest

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 16:49:23 EST
From: Booomer17
Subject: WE HAVE TO PREPARE FOR THE IMPREZA
Message-ID: <#3>

OK every 4g63 owner. The time has come, the Impreza is coming to the USA and
we need to prepare. I don't want some impreza newbie trying to take me at my
local stop sign. Please everyone, I thought about trading my dsm in for a
impreza, but why? We have an aftermarket already and a great motor (even
though I just paid like $600 for a MAF.) and this motor has potential. I
know the impreza does too, but it has that weird engine... just look at it,
its confussing. But that intercooler setup is sweet besides that...
DSM'rs Let us man our shifters and kick impreza butt ! ! ! !

tim
95 tsi awd 5speed...
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Old 11-10-2000, 04:53 AM   #2
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so does he think that the impreza isn't here already? and does he not know that as it is, we can already smoke most DSM's on the road, without our turbo? Note, i say most...not all.
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Old 11-10-2000, 05:19 AM   #3
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What AWD DSM's would that be? Alot of the current DSM cars the RS should be able to outrun. The DSM cars are cheap though. I guess that's for when you break it you can afford a new one.
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Old 11-10-2000, 06:29 AM   #4
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any of you guys ever drive one of those awd/tc dsm's?

*ahem*, they are faster. according to my seat of the pants o meter. i have the unique privilege of owning a talon tsi awd/tc (1st gen) and a 1998 rs 2.5.

the rs is far more refined, is a wonderful car in general. even more so with the intake and the stromung muffler. i forget how fun it is to drive.

but, now this is a big one, there is something satisfying about launching at 4500rpm, slipping the clutch to hold the boost, and roasting 4 tires. then hammering 3 more gears to the tune of 15psi. very fun.

all with just about $150 dollars in mods. k and n filter, boost gauge, off road test pipe, and about 5 dollars in brass fittings.

now, if the new wrc is as easy to tweak up as that, i will be first in line to get mine. combine the incredible fun of turbonium and the stellar subaru rs... well, it will be about as close to nirvana as you can get without stopping your heart.

oh, yeah, i also caught that post on the dsm list this morning.
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Old 11-10-2000, 06:49 AM   #5
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N/A...I don't know if you meant that as a joke or not....

I don't want this to turn into a flame post.

Any DSM labled GS-T, GSX or TSi cannot be smoked by an RS. They have a turbo that does 0-60 is around 6.5 sec (AWD and FWD). RS does it in 7.8 to 8 sec.

When the WRX comes, and they keep it as 6.0 0-60 as rumor central has it, a Scoob will give a stock DSM good run, but may or may not lose. A small gap like a 1/2 sec comes down to how well the driver does.

I have friends that run 1/4mis in low 12's and 11's in DSM's. That's where I want to be with the scoob in a few years.

Also the other issue is that many DSM owners have the 1st gen AWD and turbo that is now over 6 years old. (2nd gen started with '95)

I've talked to many, saince Mitsu int he USA doesn't have AWD and Turbo anymore, they will go to Subaru.

Be prepared to see many WRX owners who used to have DSM's. (Heck, I did once)

--KC http://www.newenglanddsm.com Webmaster. Yet I drive a scoob.

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Old 11-10-2000, 07:13 AM   #6
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hell no. not a joke. in my experience, my tsi is plenty faster than my rs 2.5. mind you, i stated that about a NA rs. not a WRC or a WRX.

i am confident that a scoob with a tc will be a damn quick car. faster than dsm, probably faster than my mustang.

i will be in line to get one. i love the styling, the way the car drives, and overall quality of subarus' vehicles. we'll always own one.


--rs

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Old 11-10-2000, 09:04 AM   #7
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well, i moved from my 92 Talon TSI to my RS last year this time. let me just say a DSM may be a little quicker in a straight line, but once the road gets twisty FORGET about it....NOSE DIVE. my RS is a much better overall car. i am glad i did not buy another DSM, i really was going to. but they are nice cars none the least. but straight line drag racing gets boring quick.

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Old 11-10-2000, 09:15 AM   #8
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BWHAHAHAHAHA!! May the world of imports twitch in fear!!
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Old 11-10-2000, 10:06 AM   #9
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An AWD DSM will definitely smoke an RS, I know, Ive owned both, including a Galant VR-4. But what dont understand is this guy saying that the Impreza is confusing. The Impreza is so much of a simpler car to work on than a DSM. Once again, I know this from experience having owned high 13 second DSM and a decently modified Impreza.
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Old 11-10-2000, 10:15 AM   #10
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Don't forget, though. The majority of the turbo talon/laser/eclipse out there are front wheel drive. Friend of mine had a laser (RS, FWD) with about a grand in mods (plugs, wires, exhaust, test pipe, boost controller, K&N filter ... etc) and he spun his tires bad all the way into third gear. I roasted him off the line constantly, but once he hooked up look out! Also, there's always the fact that the transfer cases in those cars are junk. Expect to break them constantly if you run the car really hard all the time. I was going to get a used first gen talon untill I saw how bad the reliability was.
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Old 11-10-2000, 10:37 AM   #11
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hold on...wait a second...

okay now i'm done laughing my arse off. HAHAHAHAHA...Bugatti 72 valve W-18's are confusing, H.O. 4's are not....
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Old 11-10-2000, 11:07 AM   #12
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god, i love a heated discussion.

scoobys are easy to work on, dsm's are easy to work on, as are jeeps, mustangs, yadda-yadda. nothing to it. not debating that.

what i said about the new, turbocharged subarus, is that i hope they respond as well to the same simple, cheap, and effective mods that the dsm's respond to.

i totally agree with joostin420 that the handling leaves something to be desired, and nose dive is but one of the problems. these cars are not corner carvers out of the box.

our rs is a much nimbler car. it is tossable, and transitions ok. well, with the 18mm bar it is ok. i have yet to put the factory on back on and try it. why bother?

a huge factor in ultimate grip will be the tires, tires, tires. did i mention tires? my dsm has crappy generic all season tires. slow, dodgy, un-responsive tires. i hope to remedy that soon. this winter we'll be replacing the tires on our rs with some good all around tires. i would love to go for performance, but this car is driven daily year-round, and we need to see the mileage.

now, in a straight line, look out. launching an awd under boost is fun. i would be afraid to nail it like that in the rs. i am paranoid about roasting the clutch instead of the tires.

one small correction, it isn't the x-fer case that is the weak link, it is the center diff. poor design, and you really only run into issues with these when you dump the clutch at 5500 rpm.

i am not trying to rabble-rouse, folks. it is a slow friday, and i felt like doing some bench racing.

thanks for the great discussion. keep the replies coming.

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Old 11-10-2000, 01:32 PM   #13
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Alot of older DSM owners just convert teh rear ends to the newer 4 bolt rear end with all the 4 bolt hardwear. The weak link used to be the rear ends in them. You could snap them like a pencil. The comment about the DSM being cheaper then a RS for a project car is accurate. Look at prices on RS parts and then look at the DSM ones. Its a matter of volume. The RS didn't have a huge volume. Personally I'll be parking a 92 Galant project car next to the RS when I get back. Main reason is they can be had for under $5K and that is with a 16G turbo, 4 bolt rear end and JDM Cyclone intake. Another bonus is this new bodykit for the Galant. http://www.rretech.com/gvr4/customercar/
By the time I'm done with the VR4 project it should be time to restart the RS project.
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Old 11-10-2000, 01:41 PM   #14
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cool. i have wanted a g-vr4 for a couple years now. only thing that held me off from that was it was 2 grand more than this talon.

yes, the market for dsm merch is fairly large, if somewhat out of date. one of the main things that i have noticed is that there have been no major updates, or new unique performance products. however, it is an 11 year old design(1g cars).

yes, 3-bolt and 4 bolt rears. i need to find a car to get the parts from. easy looking swap.

now, the car you linked to, is that an awd, or still 2wd? if awd, did you do a conversion to get it there?

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Old 11-10-2000, 01:51 PM   #15
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The WRX:
the silent, ugly killer
Meaning it is silent and ugly and it kicks butt, not that it kills silent ugly cars, although it can do that too.
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Old 11-10-2000, 02:02 PM   #16
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That Galant is a VR4. Its a 92 model. The place sells the PIAA lights as part of the kit. They only charge $150 for the lights if you get them at the same time. That is a cool car though. It has the 240 VR4 JDM engine in it. It started life years ago as 240hp. Its said to be now above 350hp. There is a Galant owner somewhere near me who managed over 350hp at the wheels. I doubt it would pass the JCI inspection or emissions.
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Old 11-10-2000, 02:16 PM   #17
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nice. guess that i thought that they only brought those in in 90 and 91. my misunderstanding.

that one isn't yours?
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Old 11-10-2000, 02:20 PM   #18
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Nope my VR4 is a JDM 1995 V6TT model. I wish they would let me ship it back when I leave. It makes a damn nice sleeper.
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Old 11-10-2000, 02:23 PM   #19
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sorry to hear that. gonna have to sell it before you leave?

perhaps the new subaru will motivate the other rally participants to bring in similar cars.

we can only hope.
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Old 11-10-2000, 03:47 PM   #20
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N/A - damn that's one nice VR-4, I just sold my 91 VR-4 #1298 to save money for the WRX when it comes out. That kit is tough. I kept mine stock but that 92 looks so nice. I like the backend too without the spoiler.

Yeah launching that baby at around 4 grand was way fun. All four wheels grabbin' and scratchin' is a cool feeling. I imagine with that JDM plant you get a good rush! After seeing those pics I think I might want to buy it back and go crazy!
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Old 11-10-2000, 03:55 PM   #21
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I am currently a DSM owner, 92 GSX and yes I am going to change over to a WRX as soon as I can get my hands on one of them.

My Profec A and Greddy blow-off valve will be making the swap as soon as the car is in the garage.

As far as a RS out running a GSX I doubt it, especially since most of them have been around longing enough to have a little bit of tweaking done on them. I run 17.5 psi on mine with a 16G.

But I do believe that the same people who were originally attracted to the AWD DSMs will also be attracted to the WRX.

Future owner of a WRX.

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Old 11-10-2000, 05:15 PM   #22
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I wish I had not have seen this post! I just sold my 91 Gvr4 #1167/2000. I put 168,000 mile son that car. It is one helluva sweet and fast ride. It is faster that the my01 2.5RS :-( The scooby handles better tho. That silver Gvr4 make me drool and want another one. A WRX would be a sportier and much faster, so maybe I will save up for one of them.
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Thats OK Bonzo, you can drive mine any time you want to!!! You get lovesick for your GVR4 and I got ya covered.!!!
 
Old 11-11-2000, 02:54 AM   #24
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Thanks to the guys at Rallispec I think I might have found my future project VR4 for when I return. The bodykit is going to have to go in ASAP along with the rollcage, HID low beam conversion, 16G turbo, 4 bolt rear end, Sparco seats, PIAA lights and a few other pieces. Likely to cost less then adding a Minnam turbo and TEC to the RS.
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