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Old 02-17-2001, 11:16 PM   #1
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Question OK, Scoobie fans, what can I expect from the WRX? (long)

Hello! I just found I-Club a couple of days ago, but have been eyeing the WRX for some time now via the Web and mags. What can I say, I dig it, ugly headlights and all. Although I'm not a rally fan by any means, the potential of this car on a road course should be obvious to anyone who considers themselves an enthusiast. I had originally anticipated picking up an E46 M3 when I had thought it would come in around $45K, nicely loaded. Now that pricing has been released and optioned they way I want it I'm looking at $55K+, I'm not so enthusiastic anymore (although the F1 style sequential shifter would be sweet.) At that price why not spend an extra $15K and get a real sports car like a 996 C2, right.

Currently I drive a '01 Acura CL-S which in my intial research appears to have a similiar torque band to the Scoobie (pulls HARD after 3500 rpm or so.) Now, I don't have any delusions about the CL and WRX even being in the same class, as the CL is a FWD luxury cruiser that can get up and go, but cannot even begin to handle like the WRX. HELLO FOUR WHEEL DRIFTS!!! I only leased the thing for two years and will need to replace it come April '02. I had been thinking of just getting one really nice (read: expensive) car, but have been thinking lately that I could just get an Acura TL-S for a daily driver in addition to a WRX for even less. I know woe is me. So, my questions are:

1. Is the US spec WRX going to come with those really deep, Recaro type seats as seen in the English "Driven" video?

2. What can I do with $10K in mods? My priorities are acceleration (both off the line and into triple digits) and handling. I have no intention for off-roading so I'm thinking coilovers and sways for street/track use. I want to stay as far away as possible from a ricey look. No fart pipes, no "wing by Boeing" etc. I'm thinking black, dark tint and black Volk TE-37s if I can get the right fitment. Comfort is not really an issue as this will be a "driver's" car.

3. Can I expect to get the WRX in the under 5 sec 0-60 range anytime in the near future. Would this require a turbo upgrade? Front-mount intercooler? Is the Scoobie ECU as easy to mod as say the Audi S4? Are the 300HP+ rumors fact or fiction? Can this little beast be turned into a supercar killer?

4. Turbos notwithstanding, is Subaru engine quality up to Honda and Toyota engine quality? Will I be able to beat the ***** out of this thing and have it keep coming back for more?

5. What are YOU planning on doing once you get your Rex?

Thanks in advance!

P.S. You wanna know why I'm really looking at the Scoobie? Because I'm not looking forward to getting my ass kicked by you guys and gals once the WRX starts hitting the dealerships.
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Old 02-17-2001, 11:38 PM   #2
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Cool

Like yourself, I also have a penchant for higher end cars, but I'm a longtime fan of the WRX and am absolutely beside myself that we're going to be able to buy them here in America!

Most of my friends take the snobby "oh, it's just a Subaru" approach towards it...but they obviously don't understand. In fact, I really look forward to giving a few thrill rides after I have my own WRX and making some believers out of them.

To answer a few of your questions, I'm guessing that you won't be able to get much more than 280 hp out of the stock turbo, regardless of mods...but if you replace the factory turbo with a larger one, the sky will be the limit (well, not really...but considerably more than 300 hp!).

Bear in mind that I am not even a current Subaru owner, but have been following the WRX for years and am basing most of my statements on cars that are already available in Japan (most notably the STi and 22B models).

I feel that, for the money, the new 2002 WRX is in a class by itself!

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Old 02-18-2001, 12:39 AM   #3
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There are a couple of optional equipment packages you should get...

The STi Suspenion upgrade
The STi exhaust
Maybe the Dealer Availible Strut bars
Maybe the BBS rims ($3k for 4 WITHOUT wheels is kinda steep though)

Other mods that should be availible:

Chip upgrade (might be able to get 250hp with just a chip)
Air Filter upgrade
Maybe a Turbo upgrade

Other than that, I dont know
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Old 02-18-2001, 02:17 AM   #4
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Well.. words from another non-scooby owner (yet) here. And the survey says:

1. The Euro spec seats you're talking about, do you mean those black ones? The ones that look similar to recaro SRDs?

I do know that the US spec seats are quite similar to the current 2.5RS seats. And they are a bit more comfortable in my opinion. But as with most seats, they could be better, like some recaro SRD's, STi's, or whatever else you might have laying around the garage.

2. $10k in mods...

I think you could do quite a number on the WRX. It already has a lot of what you need, just some things need a little more.

Starting with suspension. I'd estimate $2.5k for suspension. That should give you a little room to play. Figure around $1500 for a good set of coilovers basing this on Tein), including upper mounts. I'm not sure what the sizes are on the front and rear sway bars, but I'm sure you might want at least a rear one. Other stuff.. strut bars, motor/tranny mounts, other bushings (not sure if Energy Suspension makes a kit for Subaru's).

$7500 left to use. You could get a little bigger ball bearing turbo, beef up the internals, and probably complete engine management. You might even have money left over for seats.

The only downside to your thing here... te37's are really expensive. Especially if you go 17's or bigger. We're talking 400+ per wheel. Plus rubber. When I got prices for 17's for my prelude a little while back, I was looking at almost $2500 for the whole package.

3. Yes, under 5 sec 0-60 are right around the corner. The 280hp STi motors run 0-60 in 4.5 If I remember correctly. I don't know a lot about the Scooby ECUs, but I'm sure you can find something.

4. Yes. Being a long time Honda guy (I'm almost 21, and my parents have been driving Hondas for almost 21 years now, and we have 3 in the driveway), I'd say Subi motors can hold their own:
http://hometown.aol.com/nv1z/subaruhighmileage.html

5. I'm not getting a WRX. Just building up an L coupe (once I find one of course) for a little EJ20K project. Possibly an EJ22T, not sure yet.


Sorry this was so, long.. hope it helped you a little..


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Old 02-18-2001, 10:27 AM   #5
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Hey, another Star Wars fan! Cool!
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Old 02-18-2001, 02:30 PM   #6
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Thank you one and all for your comments and opinions. It's especially refreshing to see a number of non-owners enthusiasts who are open-minded enough to appreciate this little gem. I too like the underdog aspect of the WRX as well as the public's perception of "oh, it's just a Subaru." I think that if one could keep the exterior go-fast mods to a minimum, you'd have one hell of a sleeper on your hands.

Thanks again!
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Old 02-18-2001, 02:43 PM   #7
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hate to be the one berer of bad news..but the stock turbo will in theroy due to the dynamics and size as well as its optimum efficency only be able to get around 265ish HP. thermal efficency and such only goes so far on such a small turbo. IF you do upgrade the turbo, make sure to get new injectors, a means of retarding ignition, fuel controller, etc. Possum Bourne makes killer setups for the current WRX and STi motors. (i was going to order one..but forced to sell the scuby )
Also, the tranny in the WRX is the main weak link, even the STI tranny is not bullet proof and is only good to right around that magical 330 mark. after that get some good hardened gearsets in there..like a BPM or such. Another little meagering fact is once you crank the boost the stock intercooler with a larger amount of compressed air being thrust through it will loose it's efficeny. This is based on the findings of current WRX owners, the STI comes with an upgraded more efficent intercooler that allows for a cooler intake charger and allows for a little less loss because of thermo dynamics at work.

Once you get boost to right around that magical 20psi on aftermarket turbos is when things get interesting. the STI motor up to my99 (version 5) had a larger turbo than that of the the current ones. The current STI was a smaller turbo that was cranking out a little higher boost pressure and the timing was advanced extremely high to make the extra power. Now, if the WRX motor coming to the us has 227 HP at 13.5 (or was it 14 psi) you should be able to take that to 18 or so without much fuss. After that..well without palying with it..can't say.

This is all based on knowledge and experiance in thermo dynamics (or in me speak..tinkering around on turbo cars and such ) as well as too many classes . BUT all i can say is for 10K on top of a WRX she will be quite a screamer. and for less than the price of an M3..i can almost gurantee if you dump that all into suspension and motor work (mainly motor work) you will be beating m3s around the track.
For suspension i would look into either the STI uprated setup from across the pond, or like was mentioned a coil over setup. The shocks are the same as the current front gen setup, except for the length of the rear shock due to the increased hight of the rear shock tower;s mounting location which also helps to effecitvly ellimante some of the natural tendancy to oversteer.

IMHO you will have a killer car


and i will shut up after i filled my compukers stupid word thingie..only holds so many characters as you are typing and i either filled that up or i broke somthing... lol
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Old 02-18-2001, 02:57 PM   #8
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I have several magazines from Australia which detail how to upgrade your WRX. Since the motor has stayed the same (or pretty much the same) upgrading should follow a similar pattern.

Basically, there are several tuner shops in Australia which guarantee the same HP output as the STi version with simple bolt-ons...and guarantee that the car can handle it.

With $10,000 in mods, your WRX will kill damn near anything on the road.

I can give you webpages and references if you are so inclined. As long as you don't mind the shipping, you can have all the goodies here as soon as you buy the car. Wouldn't that be fun.
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Old 02-18-2001, 03:36 PM   #9
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overtime -- If you wanted to post a few links up I'd be interested in seeing them. Or you could just PM me with them.. thanks.

-Erik
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