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Old 02-17-2001, 10:35 PM   #1
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Post importing a 22b?

does anyone know how i can go about importing a 22b???? a webe site, email ,...

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Old 02-17-2001, 11:16 PM   #2
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Talk to RSquire. He has one but it's still in the UK...

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Old 02-18-2001, 01:20 AM   #3
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Dude if there was a way to even get a 22b in a the first place, i'd give my right kidney. Find a 22b and buy it then it's smoooth sailing.
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Old 02-18-2001, 01:26 AM   #4
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Not possible.

Move along, move along
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Old 02-18-2001, 02:18 AM   #5
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You can import one, but you won't be able to drive it. That's not a problem, is it?

Even then, you have to prove that it will be in a car collection (ie. you need to be a collector or a museum) or that you're importing for racing only. If you're inmporting it to race, you'll have to prove that you have a race team.

Hey, even Bill Gates couldn't drive his 959 on the road.

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Old 02-18-2001, 02:32 AM   #6
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You can do it, you just need to buy 2 of them, prepare (emissions and safety) and crash-test the first one (and I believe you have to destroy the crash-test car by law). Then anyone else that wants a 22b in the country could use your process of converting (may have to be done by you) and get one in.
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Old 02-18-2001, 03:36 AM   #7
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No, it could be done and you wouldn't have to crash test anything. Under the new show or display regulation you can import cars not intended for the US market. Thats how Bill Gates eventually did get his 959 here. Its just a lot of paperwork and different channels you have to go throught. Basically in a highly simplified sort of way you have to get the car approved as a significant technicological or historic vehicle by the NHTSA. Then you have to get it to pass emissions and be certified by the EPA(this is the hardest part). After that you're basically done. However, you can't accumulate more than 2500 miles of public road driving per year and you have to take your car to some shows.
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Old 02-18-2001, 06:13 AM   #8
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Eby,

Technically correct. Unfortunately the 22B is still based on an Impreza and therefore not deemed, "a significant technological or historic vehicle by the NHTSA." Without the NHTSA's blessing, you are basically dead in the water.

I'm sure, with enough money you could eventually lobby the powers that be and get the car imported. It would be much cheaper, and possibly more satisfying to do as RSquire - fly to England and drive your car with no mileage restrictions, no EPA, and no NHTSA to worry about.

Even bringing the very exotic XJ220 to America cost a serious amount of change. When asked if the importer would do it again, the answer was, "Never."

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Old 02-18-2001, 07:59 AM   #9
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I think you are reading too much into it.

(Assuming you have the funds)

1. Buy 22B and dissassemble.

2. Ship suspension, rims, interior as dress-
up items.

3. Ship remainder as repair parts.

4. Buy a trashed 98 Impreza and have
firewall segment with the VIN and the
dash vin moved over to the 22B.

5. If it can't be tuned to pass emissions,
leave a Ben Franklin on the seat at a
place receptive to that sort of thing.

6. Drive and enjoy. Who is going to know? Be realistic here. The cop who pulls you over for a speeding ticket isn't going to sand off all the paint looking for weld joints along the firewall. And after all the vin still matches the vehicle within reason. It isn;t like you have a 79 Ford dually work truck vin on a overseas Lamborgini.
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Old 02-18-2001, 08:03 AM   #10
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yes BUT if and when they do catch you..guess wehre mr 22B goes..straight to the crusher if that would happen i would be on your doorstep with a gift..a good arse kicking

LOL..anyhow, you DO have to crash test one, because it may be BASED on the US impreza, it isNOT the US impreza. also, you would have to find one to buy first, which means Good Luck!

i say just give up, buy an L from 94 with AWD, manual everything, get an STI motor, stevers fender flares, buy some sti interior goodies, stroker kit for the EJ20. if you want to make it as close as possible buy a version 4 motor. Then buy some 4 pot front brakes, get an r180 rear diff, some 2 piston rear calipers, etc. etc.

it won't be a real one, but it'll be dang nice when finished
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Old 02-18-2001, 08:05 AM   #11
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Hmm - it you wanna be realistic, let's look at prices:

1.) 1 22b - about 30,000 pounds - around $55k in US dollars.

2.) Disassembly and packing - at LEAST $5k

3.) Shipping everything - probably around $2k

4.) Wrecked Impreza L - around $2-$3k

5.) Reassembly - see #2 above

So what you end up with is around $75k invested in a car that the insurance company is only gonna insure as an L.. That just doesn't seem like a good idea.. And even if my numbers are WAY off, it's still not a great idea.. Buy a WRX - you'll be happier..

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Old 02-18-2001, 08:13 AM   #12
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Note the disclaimer, IF YOU HAVE THE FUNDS

Sure you have 75k tied up in it. But the point was that you could do it if you wanted to and had the money to. Using that method to bypass all the hassle would have you driving a 22b over here.

And really how would you get caught? The only way I can think of is some jealous bastard turning you in, and the authorities caring enough to go after this one incident. Other than that how would you get caught?
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Old 02-18-2001, 08:35 AM   #13
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Let's deal with Basil's #1 first. Find a purchase a 22B first, then I'm sure everyone on this list will have ideas about how to get it here.

While Bill Gates has his 959 here in the States, he can't drive it on public roads. If he can't do it, it can't be done.

RSquire has one, he lives here in the States...and where is his 22B? He's pipped up many times when this subject (inevitably) comes around. Do a search on "importing 22B" and you'll find many opinions and guesses. And that no one has done it.

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Old 02-18-2001, 08:41 AM   #14
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the police have been known to check vins in multiple spots..if it don't match they will run the vin numbers.

most people don't realize there are actually 10 vins stamped on the majority and i mean majority of cars out there. dash, chasis (2 or 3 of them on the chasis) they have them stamped on the block sometimes, firewall, etc. etc.

i have heard of people having police check their vin number in 3 or 4 places at a check point (IIRC kyledooley on the board had this happen)

SO>..it can happen, and they check for these things, also what happens when you need to get your car recertified? hmm...may be better off using the ENTIRE chasis from a 93/94 and swapping all the peices over..this way you would RETAIN the chasis vin number and could register it as either a custom using the impreza chasis, or just still as the impreza L.

many people have looked into this, it is NOT feasable by anymeans. *shrug* do a search at the US D.O.T. site for rules and regs for importing cars, also to import the 22B without having to post a 2.5X value of car bond with DOT and 1X value bond with EPA you will have to make the car undrivable and unfixable, be it cutting the chasis, etc. For a while i was looking into getting an STI over here instead of the RS/STI swap..but it wasn't feasable and if i could/would have, it would have cost around 130K for just one freaking car all said and told, with the side impact test car, front impact test car, epa's car, and your car. PLUS shipping, etc etc. and then the bonds and the actual cost of the testing

talk to the guys at motorex if you don't beleive me.
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Old 02-18-2001, 08:44 AM   #15
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Yes but that exotic porsche is much more identifiable than a 22B. And people would notive BG driving around in it and car bufs would pipe up and the gig would be up. On the other hand a car that looks not so very different from it's US counterpart would be anonymous.

As for the VINS move over each VIN or use the body shell, but the vins could be moved.

And the point of sneaking it in as repair and dress up parts was to avoid all the epa/crash etc. And how many times have they even SEEN your car when you go to get plates?

Bottom line, give me 100k and a willing seller overseas and I will have a 22B in the back door and on the road within 6 months.

Now someone gimmi 100k.

Anyone, 100k, help me prove my point......

100k, yep, thats all, help to prove I can do it...

You sir, 100k to see a 22B on US roads...

Any takers????

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Old 02-18-2001, 08:45 AM   #16
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why don't you just do this:
1. buy a RS coupe
2.buy those 22B fender flares
3. turbo you RS to 350hp
4.have some shop custom you a 25B emblem for ur RS
5. there you have it, a rare 25B!!!
(22B=2.2L___25B=2.5L)
i'm thinking of doing that when i get mines!!


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Old 02-18-2001, 08:54 AM   #17
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That is exactly what I am doing. Stever's 22B body kit, vents, wing, engine and tranny up to 350.

Step by step.
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Old 02-18-2001, 09:00 PM   #18
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The do-it-yourself route will certainly cost a helluva lot less that to import one.

I looked into importing anything wild from overseas, and it's a huge headache. Not to mention I am in California, which basically made it impossible.

So now I am going to go the route of a sleeper. Cost a lot less and will be probably just as fun. Isn't that what it is all about?

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Old 02-18-2001, 11:16 PM   #19
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Sure, there are illegal ways to do it. But legally? That's another story. I have a friend who's imported 2 two-stroke GP bikes (RGV-250 with full-on Lucky Strike Livery and an NS-400). They're "legally" registered. He shipped them over here, declared as something else and had a friend of his at the DMV register them as street legal bikes (I'm not sure what he registered them as, but it was probably whatever was close). As far as I know, he's never been caught, but then he doesn't ride them much.

And, I once saw a 959 on the street in Oldwick, NJ. It was real, I followed it for a while until he lost me. Don't know how, but it could have been imported by a foreign national. If you hold a foreign passport you can bring a car in for 1 year (or 2?) for personal use. But, the car has to be exported before the year's up or it will be crushed. Some Philipino friends of mine were going to import an EVO 6, but they decided it wasn't worth the hassle.

I have the DOT paperwork somewhere from when I imported my Lancia Stratos kit car.

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Just found the DOT form - this was as of 1997 ... I'm sure it's on their website somewhere.

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I DECLARE that the motor vehicle or equipment item (merchandise hereafter) described above is being offered for importation under the provisions of Title 19, Code of Federal Regulations, PArt 12.80 as indicated by the section checked below:

1. Such merchandise was manufactured on a date when there were no applicable standards in effect. (ie. motorcycles before 1/1/69: all others before 1/1/68)

2. Such merchandise conforms to all applicable safety standards and bears a certification label affixed by its original manufacturer in accordance with P.L. 89-563, Section 114 etc. etc.

3. Such merchandise was not manufactured in conformity with all applicable safety standards, but has been or will be brought into conformity with such standards as evidenced by a true and complete statement to be submitted by the importer or consignee to the Administrator, NHTSA NEF-32, within 120 days or such aditional time as may be agreed to by the Administrator, NHTSA, for good cause shown, but within the time frame set forth in 19CFR 12.80(c)(2). Such statement shall identify the manufacturer, contractor, or other person who has brought the merchandise into conformity with such standards and shall describe the exact nature and extent of the work performed. It is further declared that the merchandise will not be sold or offered for sale until the bond required for 12.80(e)(1) shall have been released.

4. It is intended solely for export and such merchandise and the outside of it's container , if any, are so labeled.

5. I am a nonresident of the United States and am importing the merchandise for personal use for a period not to exceed one year from the date of entry and I will not sell it withint the United States.

6. I am a member of the armed forces of a foreign country, or a member of the Secretariat of a public international organization and so designated under the International Immunities Act (22 USC 288) as listed in 19 CFR 148.87, on assignment in the United States, or a member of the personnel of a foreign government on assignment in the United States who comes within the calss of persons for whom free entry of vehicles has been authorized by the Department of State and I am importing the merchandise for puposes other than resale. A copy of my official orders to assignment within the United States is attached.

7. I am importing the merchandise solely for the purposes of show, test, experiment, competition (for purposes of this declaration, competition vehicles are those originally manufactured or modified prior to entry for competition use only), repairs or alterations, in accordance with the attached statement which describes fully the use and final disposition to be made of the merchandise. I understand that of the above, only vehicles entered for test or experiment may be licensed or used on the public roads and then only where such use is and integral part of the test or experiment described in the attached statement in which case the vehicle may be licensed or used on the public roads for a period not to exceed one year. Such use may be made for two additional years upon application to and approval by the Administrator, NHTSA.

8. Such vehicle was not manufactured primarily for use on the public roads and is not a "motor vehicle" as defined in Section 102 of the Act (12 USC 1391)

9. Such vehicle is an incomplete vehicle as defined in 49 CFR Part 568.


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Old 02-19-2001, 01:31 PM   #21
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Er, so? That 0x22b == 555 could just be a coincidence. Coincidences happen, you know. Has Subaru ever said anything one way or the other? Unless they have I don't see how anyone could say that it's one and not the other.

Besides, didn't American Tobacco drop their Subaru sponsorship before the 22b came out? I know it was around the same time, at any rate.

And I thought the American Tobacco sponsorship was with Prodrive, not Subaru?

Guess I just have a hard time seeing why Subaru of Japan would care about the number 555 .
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Old 02-19-2001, 02:05 PM   #22
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dissasembling the 22b to bring it here...wouldnt that compromise the stiffer chassis that makes it special (maybe im wrong about this?)

my opinion is, that if you have that kind of money, just buy a 911 Turbo AWD and call it a day...its legal, and its one kick ass machine of a car...and save yourself the headaches...
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Old 02-19-2001, 02:26 PM   #23
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jjp, 0x22b, rofl,
MOVFF $$$$$,USGOVT
MOVLW 0x22b,USA
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Old 02-19-2001, 03:36 PM   #24
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I read this whole thread (why did I do that?) and reality just smacked me in the face. It isnt worth the hassle or the money. If you want to have something AWD and fast buy a Porsche, hell buy a Porsche turbo. If you are just trying to beat the system more power to ya, but importing a 22b is pointless. If you have that much money you can afford to buy one and store it in europe then fly over when ever you want to drive the thing. Sorry if I seem hostile.
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Old 02-19-2001, 03:42 PM   #25
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Gille is right. We probably will never be able to "pick and choose" the cars we drive. The Government will take care of that for us. Unless you are Bill Gates, it just isn't worth the hassle and the $$$. They will see to that!
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