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Old 02-16-2001, 10:06 PM   #1
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Post I know I know.... but Civic or Impreza L?

So, due to my youth and indiscretion (I happen to have a home address in Brooklyn, NY) the cost per year for a WRX would be 8,000 dollars (an iffy figure given to me by the Subaru dealership). So, the WRX is out of my league. This drops me down to the RS, OBS or L, and since they all have basically the same engine and drivetrain, I was going to go for the least expensive model. This also brings the performance range somewhere near that of a Honda Civic. The civic is also a lot cheaper (I know I can walk out with a low model one w/ side airbags, a/c etc. for about 14k). If it was you all, and reliability came first, followed by longevity and then performance, which would you buy? A lot of my driving is the occasional commute from NH where I go to school to Brooklyn where my family is. I also have to deal with the wonderful NH winters. I know its a dead subject, but it's coming down to the crunch here I need to decide.

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oops, meant to post in general. Sorry

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Old 02-16-2001, 10:14 PM   #2
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go for the civic and the good gas milage. just don't throw a fat exhaust and 18" rims on it. =)

You've done a good job deciding what you want in a car vs. what you need in a car, most people who are 50 can't even do that (look at cadillac and the near-defunct oldsmobile) now you just need to go and buy it.

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(not opposed to hondas cuz they have good engineering, and get better gas milage cuz they're only 2wd)
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Old 02-16-2001, 10:15 PM   #3
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You could sort of guess as to which answer you will get considering the forum is for and about Subarus.

Why don't you ask in a non-biased and neutral discussion board like a general car board?
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Old 02-16-2001, 11:25 PM   #4
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Most people in a General car board don't have clue about Subaru's. They probably still think the Brat is around for crying out loud. However, almost everyone knows about Hondas anmd their build reputation so you will not get an unbiased view anyway.

I'm sure yeti understands that their is going to be a bias here but perhaps is looking for some other reasons to help consider a Subaru.

That being said, I've owned RWD, FWD, 4WD and AWD cars before and AWD is by far the best under all conditions. Hondas are great cars, but so are Suabru's and the Subaru will be a better handling car in all conditions.

yeti, whatever decision you make, you can't go wrong with either choice.
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Old 02-17-2001, 01:55 AM   #5
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"If it was you all, and reliability came first, followed by longevity and then performance, which would you buy?"

Reliability: Both are great but I think Honda has had better reliability for more years than Subaru. Don't quote me on that. Currently, they both are great.

Longevity: Definitely Subaru. If you haven't heard the old saying, "That 90%+ of Subarus are still on the road" than you are hearing it now. I don't know if that still holds true but you get the point. Hondas have pretty good longevity also but Subarus have a reputation in this area.

Performance: Depends on what model you get in either category. Subarus for most twisties and Hondas for the long straights and highways. Hondas generally have better fuel economy or fuel 'performance' than Subarus.

Just my opinion!
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Old 02-17-2001, 05:34 AM   #6
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I think it'll take only 1 or 2 snow-filled drives to Hanover to convince yourself that AWD is a useful thing for your purposes. So my answer is ... C, none of the above.

Buy a used RS or other Subie. It'll get you through school to a time when your income is enough to support the car you really want. The classified board says Jude DeMeis is selling a '98 RS for $12,900 north of Boston. I'm sure that Autotrader.com will turn up several more.
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Old 02-17-2001, 06:08 AM   #7
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I agree with some others, you can't go wrong with either choice.
My answer would be drive them both. Whichever one is more fun, that's the one I'd buy.
We chose the Impreza L
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Old 02-17-2001, 08:18 AM   #8
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Thank you all for you advice! Of all the car boards I have frequented, this one has been one of the most neutral and acceptant of other makes. The people here go for Subarus because of what they are, not who their manufacturer is and I have come to trust their opinion. Taking the advice given in mind, when a 2002 Impreza L comes to my local dealer I will head over to Honda, borrow a civic, drive to Subaru and switch between the two of them for a while on the same stretch of roads. Most fun takes the sale, with gas mileage factored into the equation Thanks again!
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Old 02-17-2001, 08:27 AM   #9
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yeti... if you wait for a 2002 impreza L you will be waiting a LONG time. there will be no L model in 2002. That said, the price of the RS will be dropping next year.
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Old 02-17-2001, 10:04 AM   #10
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Sure i love my Subys more then anything, my family owns 6!!! But, my gas mileage sucks in the city, like 18-23 tops. I don't like Civics much, but they get about 25-35mpg city. Another option out there many people overlook is the Mazda Protege or the Nissan Sentra. When I was buying a new car these were the 3 that I debated over and test-drove. The Protege got as good of mileage as the civic and was a hell of alot faster. Thats just my 2 cents. The Impreza isn't happy living in a city, it likes long straight-aways, tight corners and mud!!!
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Old 02-17-2001, 01:58 PM   #11
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As it relates to the reliability issue(s), Consumer's Report lists the top four most reliablity car makes as follows:

#1 - Toyota
#2 - Honda
#3 - Nissan
#4 - Subaru

The statistical difference between the four is VERY small.
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Old 02-17-2001, 04:52 PM   #12
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What is this doing in the Powertrain forum? Off to General you go...
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Old 02-17-2001, 05:11 PM   #13
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I wouldn't buy a Civic. You could get a used RS for about the same price. That would be my first choice. Other than that Proteges are nice as are Sentras. There are plenty of good choices outside of Civics and Subarus.
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Old 02-17-2001, 06:05 PM   #14
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Go ahead and get an L, civics are a dime a dozen. AWD is nice too.
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Old 02-17-2001, 07:48 PM   #15
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Here's one thing nobody bothered to mention:
When I got my '98 L I got insurance quotes for a Civic EX and an Impreza L. The Impreza was more than $600 a year cheaper for identical coverage on a 20 y/o male with no tickets/accidents.
Civics are a high crime car, and you pay for it.
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Old 02-18-2001, 12:15 AM   #16
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Exactly, Civics cost major $$$ in the Insurance arena... Even the RS costs less than a Civic EX (and most insurance agencies have trouble differentiatinb between the RS and the L )

I say, get one of the first TS wagons (the new "L") to show up on the lots next month. Demand for them will probably be low at first, so you can probably get it for near invoice (Base MSRP is $17,995 I think, Invoice $1500 less) and you get the 165hp engine along with the Wagon space and AWD.

Plus, Ive driven the new Civic, and it was one of the worst cars I've EVER driven! Seriously! We took it on a bumpy road, and every bump make the car bounce hard and nearly off the road. Not even the Focus ZX3 or Mazda Protege was even remotly that bad. Plus, the Civic EX engine is VERY noisy and the noise is at least twice as bad as the CURRENT RS. From that point on, I perminantly struck the Civic from my "maybe" list into the "never ever ever" list...

Pay more money and get the MUCH MUCH better car!
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Old 02-19-2001, 12:44 AM   #17
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Then there's the
Civic EX: 127hp, 114ft-lb
Impreza RS: 165hp, 166ft-lb

What more do you need?
Civic: 2450lb
Impreza: 2825lb

375 lbs difference... oh so much more power.

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Old 02-19-2001, 09:52 AM   #18
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I drove my GF's Honda Civic EX coupe and it was slow, did not like any bumps, and the seats were way too small.

My 99 Outback kills it in every area other than fuel economy. Ride quality, acceleration, handling, bumpy roads, bad weather...... and that's kinda sad considering how much heavier the Outback is.

The civic does get decent mileage though... she fills up her tank about once a week and gets about 25-30MPG in the city (she has a long drive to school/work/my place).

Also, her insurance is almost the same as mine per month, slightly lower though. She is 22 with a perfect driving record and I am 19 with a 75 in 55 ticket.

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Old 02-19-2001, 09:59 AM   #19
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Where in the world do you get 2750lb from an RS? I assume it's an RS since you mention the hp at 165hp. THe RS comes in at 2850lbs! The L is lighter but it does not have 165hp.
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Old 02-19-2001, 10:18 AM   #20
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I hate to sway somebody from Subaru, but maybe you can have your cake and eat it too.

I heard that the new Nissan Sentra will be a turbocharged engine with ~170 hp's. Maybe that's something you should check out. With that said, if you want a econobox, you could always go with the ugly insight.

If you just need to get to school and back, what about a motorcycle. Around here they're cheaper and so is the insurance.
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Old 02-19-2001, 03:31 PM   #21
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No way dude! I am on to you!!! hahahahah.... I didn't know it was the same guy. Sorry.
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Old 02-20-2001, 12:54 AM   #22
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OK Gambit. this is getting old. Why don't we post it everywhere that I skipped into the wrong column when looking up the weight? Every freaking time. It's fixed. Are you happy?

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Old 02-20-2001, 12:58 AM   #23
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Silver, the new Sentra SE-R is 170hp N/A, theres no turbo. The Spec-V will be 180hp and still should be under $20k... But, its a ugly FWD sentra still with a cramped interior
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