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Old 02-17-2001, 07:06 AM   #26
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Get yourself a WRX. It is much better than a GT-S. It has already been proven on very harsh off road racing courses around the world and durability isn't a problem. AWD is very addictive and one can go on a powertrip over it. After driveing my 2.5 RS and then trying to drive my friends new Honda Accord, I ended up spinning the Accord around a turn narrowly missing a tree, good thing I didn't crash. AWD is a life saver!
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Old 02-17-2001, 07:56 PM   #27
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GT-S is not worth the price of admissions. Just because it's a Toyota. It's actually more expensive than a Type-R in Canada pricing!!! The rear view is bad.
But if you really want it because it looks fast then go get it. Cus daggamit the WRX sure don't look fast but sure can haul arse.
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Old 02-17-2001, 10:52 PM   #28
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ProgSi- about the peaky-ness of the GTS powerband: that's why it needs the extra gear, to keep it in it's little sweet spot.
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Old 02-17-2001, 11:15 PM   #29
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Well, like everybody is saying, the choice should be almost crystal clear between the GTS and the WRX (as they are two different cars).

In terms of performance, WRX all the way. IMHO, i think the Celica's styling is better by a hair. I like the sleek styling of the Celica better. The styling points I don't like are the Celica's rear and the WRX's front (the reasons have been discussed before). But, it is up to you as to what you eventually get and what you'd prefer to drive.

Good luck and choose wisely!

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Old 02-17-2001, 11:43 PM   #30
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I still say used corevette
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Old 02-18-2001, 07:47 AM   #31
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The article in SCC says it all. You can buy a WRX, or you can buy something else in the same price range and stare at the tail lights of a WRX as they disappear from view.
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Old 02-18-2001, 08:12 AM   #32
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I can,t wait to see a GTS on the street now after reading all this my 25RS only as cold air intake and stromung rear muffler and pulls strong can,t wait
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Old 02-18-2001, 03:03 PM   #33
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I say you need a lightly modded 1993 Stealth RT/TT...350 HP, AWD, 60K miles...and I'm just the guy to sell it to you! (Of course, that's just because I've got a WRX on order.)
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Old 02-18-2001, 03:46 PM   #34
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Read some reviews of the Toyota Celica GT-S. The car kicks some serious butt. I just don't think it's getting the respect it deserves here. Look at the mpg it gets. Look at it's performance in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile. This is STOCK performance. A simple CAI and exhaust could likely take it into the high 14's or even mid to low 14's with a very good driver. Worked up 2.5RS's with throttle bodies, cylinder head and cams would just be hanging with it barely around 90mph. Above it, and a worked-over-N/A would probably slowly lose ground. Look at he trap speed it gets stock. That's impressive. Good luck whooping up on them on the highways.

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Old 02-18-2001, 03:53 PM   #35
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Good one snowman.
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Old 02-18-2001, 04:08 PM   #36
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As far as the top speed goes...get the Celica. I owned a '92 VR6 Corrado. 178HP, 2750lbs. I could hit the rev limiter in 5th in stock form~150mph. That car had a low low .30 DC. So does the new Celica. It is a lightweight car with good aerodynamics. The Subaru's are NOT this way. They have horrible aerod's like .33, .35 and worse. They're heavier cars(especially the new REX) and they boxer-4 is not a "hold at 7000 rpm to hit 150 mph" type of engine. It is a low-end grunty monster 4. You can't take a WRX and expect good results in a touring racing scenerio--they'd've done it by now. It depends what you want. YES AWD is crazy compared to FWD, BUT it takes more resources to drive those rear wheels! I don't know...choose wisely. I simply cannot drive a car that is SO common as an Eclipse, Integra, Celica, and Prelude are. Plus I've never had forced ind. car before. That's why I'm getting the REX. Also if I'm driving at 120+mph, I should be in something German.
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Old 02-18-2001, 04:13 PM   #37
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ProgSi- about the peaky-ness of the GTS powerband: that's why it needs the extra gear, to keep it in it's little sweet spot.
the 6th in the GTS is not even a power gear, its just an overdrive for the highway, to keep the revs and gas mileage down... the car's gearing sucks, because shifting at redline actually puts you a little under where the vvti changes over, instead of in the sweet spot.. that 6th gear has nothing to do with it...as its just for highway cruising...
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Old 02-18-2001, 09:39 PM   #38
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I'd suggest driving both and keeping under 6,000 rpm in both cases. Now, drive the Celica as hard as you possibly can, and wring the engine out until it sounds like it's going to explode through the bonnet, your passengers are wondering what you're up to, dogs are howling, and the rev counter has done a double lap. Is the Celica faster?

If it was, would it be worth it?

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Old 02-19-2001, 02:03 AM   #39
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WRX + Get rid of the Speed limiter (So you can do the 155mph this car is capable of!)

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Old 02-19-2001, 07:21 AM   #40
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BramZ, I respectfull sugest that you have no FKN clue about what you are saying.

1st off light wieght doesn't matter at ALL at high speeds. Why do you think its easier to measure most cars at bonnivile salt flats in Tons instead of Lbs?

Next up the areo on Subarus is much better than you give them. Sure the CD isn't the best but the big thing is they generate less lift than most any other car in this pricerange. So you have STABLITY at these speeds which initself can add a few MPH as you are not fighting the car and burnign speed.

I will End by saying that the Boxer motor is almost certainly better than any US honda motor other than the B16 a sustained RPMS. Guess what the short stroke is GREAT for this.
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Old 02-19-2001, 07:50 AM   #41
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Woah XT6...Ya better shut it-you obviously have no clue about physics OR Subarus for that matter--you're an idiot. Weight has nothing to do with high speeds?!?!??! Are you stupid??? What gets a McClarenF1 to 231mph?!?! Lots of carbon fiber and space age materials. If it was 200 lbs heavier, it wouldn't go 231mph! Also enables a car to go fast? AERODYNAMICS YOU IDIOT. The WRX will not do 155mph stock, I'd venture to say even heavily modified-THEY WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE A E R O D Y N A M I C S. Are you stupid? Have you ever owned any type of performance car? Are you a high school student with no clue? Do you understand how things work? The DRAG COEFFICIENT is the only thing next to say...500HP to get cars to high speeds. Go to back to school, boy.
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Old 02-19-2001, 08:02 AM   #42
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Oh Boy! I can see the SCUD missiles coming now... DUCK!
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Old 02-19-2001, 08:34 AM   #43
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Whoa! All Ed asked was: 1)I think that the GTS will out accelerate a WRX at speeds over 90mph, do you guys disagree? (What a loaded question this is). And 2)What's the WRX going to run?

All we have to do is provide answers to these two questions to complete this post. If someone could post some performance numbers of the WRX, that's all that's needed. You can at least say that if the WRX's mph is more than the Celica GT-S in the 1/4 mile that it will probably be faster than it on the highway. If not, than vice versa.

This is getting nasty but I can see how it started though.

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Old 02-19-2001, 10:00 AM   #44
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This may or may not be important to you. I sat in a GT-S with a sunroof and my head stuck out about 1 inch past the ceiling. I have plenty of room in my RS and the WRX is supposed to be roomier. I am 6'3".

That aside, the WRX is going to be so much more torquey and powerful at normal speeds. Are you going to be spending more or less time above or below 90?!?!?!

And, AWD AWD AWD!!!!!
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Old 02-19-2001, 10:13 AM   #45
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It's actually pretty simple to me.

First, even if they do sell 12,000 Rex's in the US, it's still less than all the Civics...

Secondly, people who buy RS's and I'm assuming the same will happen with the Rex's buy them to DRIVE them, not to drive them. You beat on a Toyota, like people do to their Suby's and you'll know the local mechanic and the best times to get a hold of him.
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Old 02-19-2001, 10:14 AM   #46
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Didn't the Mclaren hit 391km/h I thought that was like 241mph? Anyway, what's with the weight distribution on the Celica. That seems really unbalanced, but I have heard that the car handles well.
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Old 02-19-2001, 11:25 AM   #47
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Don't forget the practicality of the WRX either. You can fit more people and more stuff and you have two extra doors. Oh and I must say that XT6Wagon is one of the most knowledgable people I've met in the Subaru community. He knows more about the older cars, but I tend to put a lot of stock in what he says.

edit: Also, according to Car and Driver, the Celica's top speed is a redline limited 130mph. I'd imagine a WRX can top that.

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Old 02-19-2001, 11:58 AM   #48
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Weight has nothing to do with high speeds?!?!??! Are you stupid???
I believe what he was saying is that weight has nothing to do with top speed in a drag-limited car. In which case, he's correct. A car that is drag-limited at 150mph will hit that limit regardless of whether it has 1 person in it or 4 people. It will simply take a little longer to reach that limit with 4 people in it, all other things being equal.
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Old 02-19-2001, 02:13 PM   #49
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well, if for you, personally, highway speed alone weighs more, over drivability (low end torque) , All wheel drive, visibility, interior space, foul weather traction...etc then by all means get the GTS...

personally i was dissapointed by it, and i came from a Civic si, which is torqueless and in the same vein (peaky power, high end stronger than the almost non existant low end)
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Old 02-19-2001, 02:30 PM   #50
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jlyttle and other fellas,
Please excuse the insults...but some ol' boy said "you don't know what you're F'n talkin' about" to me. That would tend to offend some including me. Anyways...no worries. I try not to get so "emotional." hehe.
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