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Old 02-19-2001, 02:43 PM   #51
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Prog SI is SOOOOO right. I have driuven the GTS, and while the car does have 6 gears the 1st and last are pretty much wasted gears. First is too Short, Second is too tall, and sixth is very weak. Personally, i dont like the Celica at all. I doo like the styling, but there is no back seat, it beeps when you put the car in reverse, It feels less powerful than an SI, the interior feels cheap, and you kind of cant see from the driver's seat. Aside from that, i think its a real fun car. Oh, and spped doesnt feel smooth. when you are going 80+ it feels like you are going 80+ and the car starts to get a little unbalanced. But all this could just be me. Personally, i'd even get the RS over the Celica. the celica just does not feel like a "drivers" car... now if they had a Celica all-trac, then it would be another stoiry...
I say if you want a celica, drive a Type-R. Thats a "Driver's" car. Or do like me and get a WRX because you are a sucker for wagons...
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Old 02-19-2001, 02:45 PM   #52
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I have had the opportunity to put both cars through the paces (RS-GTS) To tell you the truth although I love my RS to the end the GTS handles FAAAR better. (stock for stock)
you cant really appreciate the GTS until you put it into some tight tarmac corners and feel how perfectly ballanced the car is.
But I feel that I should note that the RS is GOD on dirt....

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Old 02-19-2001, 03:17 PM   #53
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WHATEVER RallyCSX, THE GTS SUCKS AND SO DO YOU!!!
seriously, i just dont like the celica, however, i wasnt able to put the Celica through its paces like you seem to have. I just drove it on the highway, and didnt like it.
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Old 02-19-2001, 03:36 PM   #54
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Hehe...flame me if you want. I'll tell you ahead of time where to stick it. Anyway, I raced a GTS the other night. I romped him up to 60mph. But, mine being a modded N/A car, he left me after 60. I also slowed down, so maybe he got me with the infamous "ricer flyby" (shrug). I beat him by two carlengths to 60 then let off. I think on the track our cars would be a good match. That's my take on it. I'm also six feet tall, so I didn't fit in it when I looked at getting one. My head poked out the darn sunroof and my knees hit the dash.

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Old 02-19-2001, 04:04 PM   #55
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Ok power to wieght is a non-factor in my book once you are over 100. Then it becomes pure power. Look at it this way the FORCE used to accelerate/wieght decreses as velocity increases. This is due to drag. Now factor in that if the power/wieght is a constant, the heavier the car the SLOWER the force/wieght ratio deceases slower. Since F=MA the ACCELERATION drops off quicker.

Also lift/downforce of the aerodynamics, and the balance of said forces is much more critical than drag to a high perfromance car. Why do you think most race cars run really high CD with really low CL? (-2 or greater).
Ferraris have alot more drag than my Taurus, yet I don't think I'll FK with one at 130 in any contest.
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Old 02-19-2001, 05:57 PM   #56
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Brahmzy said "The WRX will not do 155mph stock, I'd venture to say even heavily modified-THEY WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE A E R O D Y N A M I C S. "

How you explain the boxy, poorly aerodyamic volvo 850 turbo does 150mph stock? Mind you it only has about 220HP and 4sp Auto tranny as well.



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Old 02-19-2001, 06:10 PM   #57
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OK Jason, We'll get our WRX's and you'll see... And when a type-R woops your a s s at 140mph, or any other similar car, everything I've said will become clear.
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Old 02-19-2001, 06:19 PM   #58
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No offense Ed_RS, but if you want a highway car you aren't really look at the right kinda of cars. Try getting an American car or an older Audi. My friend has a 90 V8 Audi and it will whoop up on both the RS and GTS on the highway, it costs less, is more comfortable, and has AWD. You might also want to look at a supercharged Grand Prix (GTP?) or a Supra TT. That's my $.02.
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Old 02-19-2001, 06:27 PM   #59
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Didnt read whole thing. But I have three little words for you All Wheel Drive. And the Celica has no room. If you are over 5'10" you can't fit in the back seats confortably. And if someone big is in the back seat you can't have a big person in the front seat. But the car is a blast. My friend has one thats how I know. And yes he has a GTS.
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Old 02-19-2001, 07:22 PM   #60
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The GTS does have very little headroom in the back. Im 5'10" and had to ride to work with my friends for four months, It did suck.
Anyway, It really depends on what you want in a car, If you want to carry friends around buy an OMNI.

Honestly the performance in both the RS and the GTS is still in the "commuter car" category. If you want to race people down the highway these are not the cars to buy.
But if you are looking for reasonably quick, good gas milage and balanced handling-GTS
although I wouldn't give up my RS for one.
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Old 02-19-2001, 08:17 PM   #61
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if u wan the highway highend 4-banger, the GT-S is still a bad chioce in my book. u can get a ITR for the same price and its MUCH better, and more reliable. better handling and acceleration, and the gearing on the ITR's is PERFECT. better far better than any spaort compact on the scene right now. the gearing on the celicas suck, and so does the transmission and the transmission's reliablility. and u can actually see out the back of an ITR. and the ITR is pretty much the same price.
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Old 02-19-2001, 09:02 PM   #62
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"At this point everything said about the WRX is conjecture. Until somone actually drives one and races it we simply won't know."

ED_RS-->Then why did you ask the question in the beginning of your post knowing most of the things that would be said of the WRX would be conjecture?

"Enjoy what ever you get, Unless somone can convince me the WRX will be faster on the highway, I'm probably going to go GTS"

Why? Did someone convince you that a GTS is faster than the WRX? I believe so but there's no proof. It can't be proven until someone tests this out like you said above. Are you trying to set us up for an argument? Not being smart but I'm just wondering. I am probably one of the only people in this thread to say the GT-S is faster than the WRX above 90mph. At least 85% of the posts to this thread states all the benefits of the WRX as well as it probably being faster than the Celica GT-S. That's an overwhelming majority, yet you concluded that you are not convinced enough to buy the WRX and you are getting the Celica GT-S.

That just doesn't make sense unless you are just trying to piss some people off or something. And yes, it's bothering me just a little bit.

Sorry man....I may just need some sleep right now. *Yawn* L8Rs

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Old 02-20-2001, 12:03 AM   #63
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Old 02-20-2001, 12:11 AM   #64
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i hit 0-60 in 6.8 in my RS with just an intake. nuff said.
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Old 02-20-2001, 12:19 AM   #65
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Hey Brahmzy, I would recommend that you seriously tone down the remarks. We can have a discussion/debate/dissagreement without the lame insults. You will get no respect that way. I would suggest that only what you call a "high school student with no clue" would respond the way you did. Wake up.
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Old 02-20-2001, 12:42 AM   #66
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Geez guys, calm down. I was just asking a simple question.

At this point everything said about the WRX is conjecture. Until somone actually drives one and races it we simply won't know.

I just get the feeling that the Wrx along with the RS are not for +70 Acceleration. I'm sure they'll be great cars. Just more for side street fun as opposed to highway.

Enjoy what ever you get, Unless somone can convince me the WRX will be faster on the highway, I'm probably going to go GTS.

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Old 02-20-2001, 01:07 AM   #67
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Brahmzy and everyone else:

The 155mph number is the top speed of the Jap and Euro spec WRX. Ours has been severly limited by choice... Drag is not the reason.
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Old 02-20-2001, 07:07 AM   #68
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I'm not trying to piss anyone off.
As far as the conjecture, at this point I think i shouldn't have even asked. I didn't expect this kind of response. Although I do appreciate it.

Every week i change my mind, If i want the GTS i read SCC from last month. If i want the wrx, I have people saying it's gonna be slower at high speeds.

I agree about the ITR being faster and better, but the body is 7 years old. And it is more expensive, I can get a (Stripper) GTS for 21k (carsdirect.com). The ITR starts around 24900. 4k is a big diffrence (Like RS vs. Impreza L).

My car (RS)has been in the shop for like 3 weeks and i'm stir crazy. I'm very worried it won't drive the same, and it's going to loose value because of the new model line. If i didn't get in this accident i wouldn't be considering trading at all.

Sorry for all the arguments,

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Old 02-20-2001, 10:22 AM   #69
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Brahmzy said "OK Jason, We'll get our WRX's and you'll see... And when a type-R woops your a s s at 140mph, or any other similar car, everything I've said will become clear"

Well, you have not answer my question yet, cocky boy!

And sure, Type R will woop my slow Legacy GT's ass at any speed.


Ed_RS, another thing you should consider is the car's "potential". Sure, there are parts for GT-S and Type R, but how much will they cost to get a significant increase in power? For turbo application, your investment will pay off much better than N/A application.


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Old 02-20-2001, 10:53 AM   #70
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Jason:
That is another thing that sway's me back to the WRX, turbo's can be improved far easier than non turbo engines, small increases in breathing can have a large impact on power.

I think it's exciting to see a car for around 23, which with simple i/e combo may be able to take a S4.

I can't wait to hear if this is possible. Part of the reason I like the GTS is the potentional for TRD parts being covered under warrantee please don't flame me about TRD being slow, I know. As far as i know (correct me if i'm wrong) subaru doesn't have anything like that.

I have seen Subaru mods before, but people said they didn't make any power.

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