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Old 09-18-2003, 02:32 AM   #26
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You know, Tasty brownies! Not.

Hey Mirage/Ken, I'll be in your neck of the woods for a day on Wednesday next week. Work training. Hopefully there won't be any snow when I get there...

Reckon, good luck with Ugly Duckling. I don't envy you.
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Old 09-18-2003, 12:55 PM   #27
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Reading on nasioc, it's about a $1,500 job for the gaskets and labor. Specialty mentioned before the block itself is like almost $3,000 new. So a used engine hopefully might fall in between.
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Old 09-19-2003, 04:15 AM   #28
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reason why i would recommand Lawson to go for a SOHC EJ25 engine swap is because:

1. searched around and 97-98 DOHC EJ25 motors seems to have repeating head gasket problems (lawson is not the only one, i know a few cases personally)

2. once he decides to overhaul his DOHC engine....he will need to face whatever that it comes up....say a warped cylinder head that is repairable (extra $$), or it has to be replace (EXTRA $$$$$)....or it could be the engine block problem (HUGE MONEY)....etc

3. labor is roughly 15 hours (http://cobbtuning.com/impreza/enginehead1.html) to do a DOHC headgasket (both sides)...yet that doesn't including removing the block....which will definitely cost more if it has to be replace (both parts and labor)...

so basic labor is gonna cost $1000+ ...parts wise he will be looking at at least $300 or sth....checking cylinder head is usually about $200~ $300 i think...not including any repair...

so yeah...roughly he will be looking at approximately $1500 to $1800

and if anything goes wrong w/ the head or block he will easily get close to a swap or even go over it...

also i kinda suggest him to get a beater for this winter...save up and see if he wants a WRX engine...just make sure won't regret after this first swap...
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Old 09-19-2003, 01:09 PM   #29
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15 hours to change a friggin head gasket?!

Maybe on a Peterbilt Diesel, but not on a Subaru!

Not that I've done the operation personally myself, but if a mechanic charges you 15 hours for labour, he's including donuts n' beer time in there.

Cobb's estimates are for shade tree mechanic installs, therefore the donuts, beer, and "oh ***** I screwed up go back and do it again" time is included.

Reckon, dude, I feel your pain. Unless you're stupid wealthy, being in school is a crappy time to deal with reliabiility problems.
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Old 09-19-2003, 10:30 PM   #30
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15 hours to change a friggin head gasket?!

Maybe on a Peterbilt Diesel, but not on a Subaru!

Not that I've done the operation personally myself, but if a mechanic charges you 15 hours for labour, he's including donuts n' beer time in there.

Cobb's estimates are for shade tree mechanic installs, therefore the donuts, beer, and "oh ***** I screwed up go back and do it again" time is included.

Reckon, dude, I feel your pain. Unless you're stupid wealthy, being in school is a crappy time to deal with reliabiility problems.
sorry Joe but a quote from DD is also around 15 hours ($1300 labor) on a 98 DOHC EJ25....for doing both head gaskets...

yeah if a mechanic has experience w/ such a job and with all the right tools maybe it's not going to take exactly 15 hours....but if the mechanic spent all his time to torque everything with specification....check clearance for everything....clean up all the old gasket (if it needs)....replace some oil rings or seals etc..it's not going to be finish in like 10 hours...

and if he did finish earlier than 15 hours (assume everything runs good)....he worths to make the extra money in a shorter time...

or maybe u can try to do it....then report how long does it take you to finish the job...

i know some stuff ppl might think it's over-charged but some time it worths to pay a mechanic to work on it....and if one is comfortable to DIY....i have seen guys overhauling transmission at home or rebuild his motor etc...he saves big bucks and in any cases he screwed up sth...he can take it apart again and get it fixed...
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Old 09-19-2003, 11:11 PM   #31
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So are you going to get Ken to bring Ugly Duckling into town? Saw his Lancer on his trailer tonight going your way...

Keep us posted.

Try to keep your spirits up anyways...
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Old 09-24-2003, 02:47 PM   #32
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Well, so that's that.
My car was just flatbed and picked up by Ken. So now she's in very capable hands I'm sure of Total Autosports. And yah, as Ken said it she's getting a new heart and a new spine. Pray for me, for Ugly Duckling and for the guys @ Total
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Old 09-24-2003, 03:11 PM   #33
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Yes, please pray for us. I would hate to make a terrible mistake like accidentally installing a WRX engine and drivetrain...
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Old 09-24-2003, 03:34 PM   #34
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Yes, please pray for us. I would hate to make a terrible mistake like accidentally installing a WRX engine and drivetrain...
well, it certainly won't be me telling cody he has to take the engine out again, and put the proper engine back in
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Old 09-24-2003, 03:43 PM   #35
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If that were be the case, I'd take a picture of the engine bay and slap "OWN3D" over it

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Old 09-24-2003, 10:25 PM   #36
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how much is a wrx swap going for these days?
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Old 09-24-2003, 10:54 PM   #37
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I believe the eng swap total is doing is around 15G, but that also includes a lot of goodies besides the eng/drivetrain.
give tora at total a call and he'll work a price out for you
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Old 09-24-2003, 11:10 PM   #38
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I don't really want to post a set price as there can be many variables such as engine availability, parts needed or wanted, extra parts wanted etc. I'd plan on around 12k for something basic though.
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