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Old 09-17-2003, 08:05 PM   #1
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My daughter's been driving for about a year now.

She started with a 90 Pontiac Bonneville which is on it's way out so she's looking to upgrade.

I'm thinking something reliable that's not going to cause problems----a used Honda civic or Toyota Corolla.......

She has a friend who has a Subaru Justy for sale------I'm not real familiar with Subarus----but for some reason the first thing that comes to mind is
"piece of crap"........anybody have any insights into Subaru Justy's????...............thx

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Old 09-17-2003, 09:33 PM   #2
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They are very small and underpowered but I would not call them crap. Might be OK as a city car but not if she will be doing a lot of highway driving.

Civic, Corolla, and Impreza are probably better choices.
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Old 09-17-2003, 09:36 PM   #3
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The justy wasnt the best subaru ever made

I 2nd looking into an impreza for her, that is more along the lines of the civic and corolla

just as reliable, plus the added safety of AWD, ABS etc.

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Old 09-17-2003, 09:42 PM   #4
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/me thirds the impreza, and if she wants more space, theres the wagon version.

good saftey, awd, reasonable power, good mpg., all this plus daytime running lights = great for insurance for a teen.

imagine all that and a straight a report card and drivers ed completetion sent to your insurer. That will decrease those payments a bit.
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Old 09-17-2003, 09:52 PM   #5
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Next question,

4wheel drive?
auto or stick (stay away from the auto,they brake faster than a WRX at the strip)

Where at? How much?


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Old 09-17-2003, 11:24 PM   #6
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Default Subaru Justy is

Geo Metro/Suzuki Swift with AWD.

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Old 09-18-2003, 10:55 PM   #7
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The justy wasn't the best or the worst that subaru ever made, just different. The Justy was the only Subaru to NOT have a boxer motor. It was only a 1.2litre 3cyl, but it was far from underpowered. It only put out a few less hp than the carbed loyales of the time, but it weighed a lot less. The justy is great on gas (30mpg easy) and for the front passangers is comfortable. As for the rear passangers, not to comfy. And storage space... Forget about it. The justy makes an awesome commuter car. I owned one for a while and loved it. I got 35mpg on the cheapest gas around, and it cruised 80 on the highway no sweat. One other down side. Parts aren't cheap. They didn't make a ton of them so parts can be expensive, and there aren't a lot in the junkyards. Just my $0.02

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Old 09-18-2003, 11:13 PM   #8
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Enough said.

Actually, its one of the few Subarus I haven't owned yet. The CVT models are great and the transmission shifts like a manual. Very responsive and fun to drive for a small car.
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Old 09-19-2003, 08:25 AM   #9
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How about this one for you!

The Justy holds the I Production Land Speed Record!

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Old 09-19-2003, 06:19 PM   #10
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I owned a CVT justy and they are NOT great!! Very damage prone and ridiculously expensive to fix!!

I felt that this car was "crap" compared to my Impreza. The manual ones are more reliable, but really I would put MY daughter in an Impreza. Still has good fuel mileage and not too fast (the 1.8 and 2.2's I mean) but VERY safe.

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Old 09-19-2003, 07:35 PM   #11
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I owned a CVT justy and they are NOT great!! Very damage prone and ridiculously expensive to fix!!

I felt that this car was "crap" compared to my Impreza. The manual ones are more reliable, but really I would put MY daughter in an Impreza. Still has good fuel mileage and not too fast (the 1.8 and 2.2's I mean) but VERY safe.

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That's too bad Allen. I really liked what I have read about them.
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Old 09-19-2003, 09:32 PM   #12
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That's too bad Allen. I really liked what I have read about them.
Ever wonder why they didn't continue the CVT? Well it was because it had major reliablity issues. It wasn't that Subaru did a bad design job, it was more a limitation of the materials and abilities of the time. It is a belt drive system, and we all know belts wear, and when it needs to be replaced you have to pull the tranny which makes it cost a lot. That is not to say you can't have a good experiance with the CVT, its just that the majority of people don't.

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Old 09-26-2003, 10:30 AM   #13
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I had a 2wd Justy, and it was an excellent little car. I drove it from NC to Ct once to pick up an engine for a Saab 99Turbo I had. I took out the back seat, and put the engine in the back using an engine hoist. Closed the hatch and drove south. Still got 28 mpg. I beat the dickens out of that car, let some Marines in my squadron use it, and it never let me down.
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Old 10-11-2003, 04:53 PM   #14
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My sister had an '87 or '88 Silver 4WD 5-spd model that she bought used. It was a great car that did remarkably well in snow. Very fun to drive. Unfortunately my sister was an idiot (it was her first car) and didnt take especially good care of it - forgetting to have oil changes done, refused to learn how to rev-match her shifts, wrecked the transmission synchros, and got into a great many minor fender benders, etc...

I think she had it for 4-5 years and put on a good 40-50K miles on it before junking it.

If you can find a model in good condition being sold cheaply enough, and she likes these sorts of cars, I think its certainly worth taking a gamble on it. Being a rather small car its not to everyones liking, however.
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Old 10-11-2003, 05:03 PM   #15
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Ever wonder why they didn't continue the CVT? Well it was because it had major reliablity issues. It wasn't that Subaru did a bad design job, it was more a limitation of the materials and abilities of the time. It is a belt drive system, and we all know belts wear, and when it needs to be replaced you have to pull the tranny which makes it cost a lot. That is not to say you can't have a good experiance with the CVT, its just that the majority of people don't.
Forgive my ignorance but wasn't the Subaru's CVT transmission one that utilized metal bands in place of belts ? I beleive the old dutch 'DAF' automobiles did indeed use rubber belts, however this company was sold to Volvo, and the original designer/owner of the DAF marketed his improved metal band design to several companies including Subaru, FIAT and I beleive at one time Ford. Sure there certanly were lots of teathing problems and reliability issues with the design but when properly maintained the CVT worked resonably well. Subaru deserves credit for foisting this design off on the American public. I dont think any other car maker even offered such a system in America.
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Old 10-14-2003, 06:52 PM   #16
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auto or stick (stay away from the auto,they brake faster than a WRX at the strip
The automatic Justy's brake faster than the WRX can??? How big are the brakes on the Justy?

I know my WRX has 11.4"ers on the front and 10.something on the rear...so how does the Brat do it?
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Old 10-15-2003, 02:09 PM   #17
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Forgive my ignorance but wasn't the Subaru's CVT transmission one that utilized metal bands in place of belts ?
The DAF's did use belts, and IIRC, the Justy used belts also. I don't know much how a CVT works, but I read the Justy's belts adjusted gear ratios through belt compression, not tension, however the heck that works
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Old 10-17-2003, 04:15 PM   #18
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Forgive my ignorance but wasn't the Subaru's CVT transmission one that utilized metal bands in place of belts ? I beleive the old dutch 'DAF' automobiles did indeed use rubber belts, however this company was sold to Volvo, and the original designer/owner of the DAF marketed his improved metal band design to several companies including Subaru, FIAT and I beleive at one time Ford. Sure there certanly were lots of teathing problems and reliability issues with the design but when properly maintained the CVT worked resonably well.
On this note, I guess a trip to Level 10 Performance could get some of those upgraded metal bands placed into the tranny. Hrmmm!
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Old 10-17-2003, 04:21 PM   #19
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BTW: I found an interesting site talking about the CVT trannys.
http://www.swri.edu/3pubs/ttoday/summer00/cvt.htm

I tried posting the whole article here but it's too long. I'll post a tiny portion of it.

"Metal Push-Pull Belt CVTs

The most common continuously variable transmission design is the belt-driven configuration, which consists of metal-banded belts that transmit drive torque. The belt-type transmission locates a metal belt between two pulleys - one on the crankshaft side of the transmission, the other on the driveshaft side. Each pulley's diameter is varied by mechanically squeezing together the sides of the pulley. As the pulley sides open or close, the "trough" in which the belt rides is widened or narrowed, varying the diameter at which the belt rides on the pulley. This diameter then determines the effective drive "ratio" at each end of the transmission.

The feature that best characterizes this type of CVT is that it transmits power under compression through a metal V-belt. The belt consists of segmented, thick stamped steel blocks configured with horizontal cutouts on both sides that contain stacked ribbons of steel, known as bands. These bands contain and shape the segments into an overall belt assembly. The load path depends on a complex interaction of friction and contact forces between the bands, block slots, block-to-block interfaces, and block sidewalls to pulley faces. The amount of power that can be transmitted through the belt is determined by the tensile strength in the bands as the belt is squeezed between the two halves of the sheave.

In the unsupported section of the belt, between the driving and the driven sheaves, there are no gaps between the blocks because of the presence of block compression forces induced at the entrance to the driven sheave. In the unsupported section of belt, between the driven and the driving sheaves, the blocks become unloaded because of the inability of the block elements to transmit tensile force. As the blocks approach the exit of the driving sheave, they continue to back around the arc and begin to develop compressive forces that transmit force back through the belt. This is similar to what happens when a locomotive applies its brakes and the cars behind it begin to press against it from the rear.

This type of transmission is limited by the tensile strength of the steel bands. To date, it has been used in vehicles that produce engine torque below 150 foot-pounds. Some of the vehicles using this CVT are the Subaru Justy, Nissan Primera, Nissan Mira, Ford Fiesta, and the Honda Civic. "
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Old 10-20-2003, 12:13 AM   #20
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auto or stick (stay away from the auto,they brake faster than a WRX at the strip)
Do you mean they break faster than a WRX, or did the automatic Justy's come stock with Brembos, while the 4spd manuals had el cheapos?
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Old 10-30-2003, 07:25 PM   #21
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Justy's are actually pretty good little cars. My first one was a 2wd stick, got it before the ECVT came out. I drove the heck out of it through high school, didn't have any problems with it. And it barely sipped gas, I could go to school and back (20 miles round trip) for two weeks, and still go out on the weekends on one tank of gas. That was an older carb'd one, the newer mpfi ones are just as good, but have AWD so they don't get any better gas mileage, but they don't get worse either. If you can get an AWD manual MPFI Justy, you'll have yourself a good commuter car year round that will keep your pocket book good and healthy from the cash you save with gas prices the way they are.
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Old 10-30-2003, 09:07 PM   #22
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Just A small point of info Justy belts are made of 256 segmated pieces held together by 8 bands. And to make it easier to understand, the first drive pulley actually pushes the belt to/through the driven pulley. Yes I said pushes. One of the main problems was that the pulleys would wear in a
certain pattern which would cause the belt to try and follow this pattern and keep going around the pulley. They also had a tendency to crack, but were later updated to resist this.
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Old 11-18-2003, 03:08 PM   #23
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i'm kinda looking at a '95 justy i belive it's a stick is it still hard to fix if my dad works at a subaru dealer?
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