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Old 09-26-2003, 08:25 AM   #1
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I have a 95 Legacy sedan.

I might be able to get my hands on a 94 Legacy Turbo.

My question is this....

The donor car has 86k on the clock. My car has 130k on the ticker.

NOW, the real question:

Would it be easier to swap the turbo onto my motor, or would it be easier to swap the whole engine into my car?

I don't know what kind of abuse the 94 went through, nor do I know any of it's history.

I will be swapping the 5-speed over to my car.

Would I run into any problems with the turbo swap?

Would I run into ECU problems? I assume I would run into a problem with the manual tranny swap, perhaps a re-flash would take care of that AND the turbo swap?

What kind of boost is safe to be running as to not really compramise the durability of my engine?

Maybe I'll swap the turbo to my car, then keep the second engine "Just In Case" Keep the car for as long as possible, you know the drill.
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Old 09-26-2003, 11:02 AM   #2
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The whole engine! The ej22t is closed deck and built for boost. the ej22 is not. I highly recommened you swap the engine. I repeat, the ej22 is not built for boost. Many consider the ej22t to be the best motor ever put out by subaru. With upgradeds
( internalls, turbo, intercooler, injectors, fuel rails, proper fuel management ect..) the ej22t is capable of 500+ hp. IMHO forced induction on the ej22 is asking for problems.
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Old 09-26-2003, 01:55 PM   #3
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Thanks for the tip. I thought both engines were the same.

What kind of stock power is the EJ22t putting out?

What am I looking at to do a complete engine swap?

Money AND parts required.

I would imagine that my donor car will be a 94 Turbo Legacy. I want do to the swap simply because I like my bodystyle and interior much better.

Any info you can give me AT ALL would be great

Thanks man!
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Old 09-26-2003, 05:50 PM   #4
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stock power for the ej22t is rediculously low, 160 hp, but... The motor is so detuned from the factory that with upgrades its a far better motor than the ej20t. Upgrades such as an intercooler raised boost, bigger turbo, better exhaust etc will easily get you to the 300 crank hp mark. the stock internals are forged, except for the pistons which are not cast nor forged, but are made by some special process (forget what its called) which places then in between cast and forged in terms of stregth. Crank bearings are shot-peened. and special oil injectors cool the bottom of the pistons . It is a fantastic platform to build up. With a standalone engine management system 500 hp is attainable. the motor is great but the only letdown are the gearbox's. Subaru 5mt gearboxes are knows as glassbox's, they are frigile and need to be pampered and with any excessive power they'll blow, If you want to make massive power I'd find an sti 6spd tranny and drop that in.

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Old 09-26-2003, 05:59 PM   #5
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Sell the 95 and keep the 94 with its turbo.

Either way, the 2.2 turbo engine is arguably one of the most desirable. They are way under powered from the factory so even high mileage cars are usually rock solid. The engine was seriously over engineered.
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Old 09-26-2003, 06:58 PM   #6
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If I can get a hold of a really good running condition 94, I will drive it for a bit and see if I want to do the swap or not. I REALLY like my bodystyle and interior, but keeping the 94 would just be SO much easier.

What are the body panel availability like? Would it be possible to bolt the body from a 95 onto the 94 platform? That would be really cool.

I need to buy the 94 turbo from someone who doesn't know what they have.

Exactly how rare are the 94 Turbo's in the 5-speed trim?
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Old 09-26-2003, 08:01 PM   #7
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http://bbs.legacycentral.org Should answer most of your questions.

The only body parts that are specific to the turbo are the hood scoop and the rear wing. Other than that any 92-94 would provide any external parts and an 90-91 would have the other parts as well.
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Old 09-26-2003, 10:14 PM   #8
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The only body parts that are specific to the turbo are the hood scoop and the rear wing
And the front bumper, we all know the turbo got a nicer front bumper

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Old 09-26-2003, 10:30 PM   #9
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get the 94 you ding bat



look at the sexy lines
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Old 09-26-2003, 10:32 PM   #10
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even more sexy lines

and my fav color



for the swap to be done the right way you are going to spend about 6 grand.

i have about 4 into mine and its not running like my 92 did before it was totaled
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Old 09-26-2003, 10:33 PM   #11
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and you can put this sticker on it

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Old 09-26-2003, 10:35 PM   #12
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how do you figure 6k?

Hopefully I can get someone who has done this before to help me do the labor myself.

That way, the donor car would be the only MAJOR investment.
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Old 09-26-2003, 10:36 PM   #13
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mmmmm tastes like chicken

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Old 09-26-2003, 10:38 PM   #14
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Subiekid - Got any interior pictures?

If I really like the interior, I just might keep the 94 and build that up. I just really like my body a lot better. It depends on the shape of the donor car...
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Old 09-26-2003, 10:40 PM   #15
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and more

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Old 09-26-2003, 10:42 PM   #16
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Subiekid - Got any interior pictures?

If I really like the interior, I just might keep the 94 and build that up. I just really like my body a lot better. It depends on the shape of the donor car...
now that would require me to go outside and open up the parts car. its not nice, i have taken it all apart, had to take the seats out, half the dash....

ciper could post some pics for you.

i liked the 95 to 99 body style better as well, but now i like the older one more.
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Old 09-26-2003, 10:48 PM   #17
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found some

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Old 09-26-2003, 11:18 PM   #18
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ooo I like that interior too.

I wonder if it would be a good idea to sell my 95 if I come across a 94 turbo 5-speed for around 4k or so...

I do like that interior, and it does ad to the sleeper effect of it all. What is the weight difference?
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Old 09-26-2003, 11:22 PM   #19
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no, you should tell me about it so i can go buy it. i have wanted another one for so long.
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Old 09-27-2003, 08:55 PM   #20
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I'll buy it, and then sell the carcass to you...

I'm taking the engine/transmission and the AWD system (if it will all carry over).
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Old 09-28-2003, 11:37 AM   #21
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That is my 1994 legacy ss that i just bought. what a change from our other car, a 1998 obs. my legacy just passed 82000miles, our obs 87000, Ill be posting more pics later. good luck with your purchase.

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Old 10-07-2003, 01:54 AM   #22
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subiekid- i want to sell my GT now. seriously. I NEED a nice legacy turbo, return my ride to stock, sell it and wait around for 94 to go on sale. I dont see myself drivin very much for the next few years anyway. and im way sick of this fricken auto. All though it was nice to still be able to beat the boise crew with it
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Old 10-07-2003, 02:59 AM   #23
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dude, you were a week late.

there was a 91, pearl paint job, really rough, with 5 speed and 240k miles. it was at a mojo dealer in C town. i almost went and got it but when i went back to look again it was gone.

boise isthe place to find them. we have morehten anyone else. but hey, if i see one its up for me, then you. ahhahahah


how much you want for your car?

what parts you gona be selling?

i am gona do some cool mods to mine, ya konw the climate contol? its going under the deck and my new gauges are going in the climate contorll spot.


there are the gauges. but i will keep my eye open for you and me.

hey, what hall are you in? and dorm? i might be up there next semester. i am just not feeling the driving thing. and if i am gona go dorms i might as well go all out.

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Old 10-07-2003, 03:03 AM   #24
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That is my 1994 legacy ss that i just bought. what a change from our other car, a 1998 obs. my legacy just passed 82000miles, our obs 87000, Ill be posting more pics later. good luck with your purchase.

that thing got much rust on it? you wana sell it?
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theres a bunch of turbos up here too, seeing them all makes me soooo envious. my car, i bought it for 7500 I havent researched what they go for now though its got tons of mile for a 96 150k. 5500 sound to cheap for a GT?
If i do end up selling, all thats on the car now is whitelines and agx's, id keep the agx'x for the turbo. depending on the rates id keep the whitelines too, cause whatever car i get its gona be low and its gona be stiff. I love the gokart ride.

that defi pod is the sexiest thing i have ever seen, that was on my gauge wishlist. id leave the climate where it is and move the radio into the center console. or the roof liner.

Im in the brand new dorms up here, and im in the engineering hall, these dorms are plush, the old dorms are seriously projects yeah if you come up here get into these new dorms, you have your own private room in a suite of 4-5 other peeps, we have a living room and kitchenette, theres a full scale kitchen on the ground floor, laundry room, lounge pool tables. plush.
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