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Old 09-30-2003, 07:49 AM   #1
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Old 09-30-2003, 08:52 AM   #2
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pretty nice, nsx looks like its takin from the enzo abit, but the 5000GT looks interesting.

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Old 09-30-2003, 10:20 AM   #3
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the nsx does look like an enzo. the 5000gt reminds me of a 355
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Old 09-30-2003, 12:08 PM   #4
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Actually I think the NSX looks better than the Enzo.
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Old 09-30-2003, 12:44 PM   #5
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NSX looks more like a Celica than the Enzo to me.

The 5000GT looks like a bulbous Mitsu Eclipse GT.

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Old 09-30-2003, 02:07 PM   #6
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The NSX reminds me of the Opel 220 angular roadster thingy...

(yeah, my memory is working realllll well today)
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Old 09-30-2003, 02:08 PM   #7
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The NSX looks like an NSX with an Enzo like F1 front splitter though it mostly resembles the concept EVOQ with its slab sides and angular greenhouse. While the Mitsu has a strong family resemblance to the Celica in its front end and a 355 3/4 profile. I'll bet my socks that the air intake atop the roof will not make production.

Both of these pics have been floating around for over a year.
The toatlly new NSX is rumored to come with AWD via a _performance_ oriented hybrid drive (!). It'll use a NA 3.0L V6 mounted amidships that is both fuel efficient and powerful (mid to high range) and will directly drive the rear wheels via a 6 speed SMG like manual transaxle. The front wheels will be independently driven by e-motors providing both independent computer controlled & modulated torque (e-motors create max torque during intial rotation at near zero RPM). They will also act as generators during braking to scavenge energy (rotating) and converting it into a charge for storage in the new superlightweight & compact Li-Ion battery developed for the '04 Prius. This e-motor system will act as a reserve propulsion system both for quick starts and for temporary speed boosts at speed. Further it will allow for true AWD functionality without the driveline costs, weight or frictional losses normally incurred. Through a combination of both the e-motors and the V6 the car is again rumored to get about 50 mpg (!) and have a 0-60 time in the mid 4's (!). I am not kidding.
Further it will be designed as a 2+2 with the suicide doors ala Saturn that are now so popular. It's expected to weight the same as the current NSX but have the quivalent of 100 more HP & equivalent torque just from the engine alone. The e-motors are rumored to add another 200 lb/ft per motor per wheel (similar to the new '04 Prius though it only has one drive e-motor). Pricing for the NSX is also rumored to be in the $80K range and is due to debut in '05. If just half of the stuff rumored to happen for this car actually hits the streets, then the NSX will again become a world beater for relatively little money.

Meanwhile, the 5000GT pic shown looks similar to the spy shots of the new & upcoming Supra, minus the roof air duct and the thick b-pillar strakes. The actual 5000 GT pics that have been floating around for two years now more resembles a long front engined V8 2+2 GT similar in design to the 575. The new Supra is rumored to be a compact V6 at 2.9-3.3L and compete on cost with the G35C and have similar/same performance. The 5000GT on the toher hand is/was planned to be Toyota's 'Supercar' to compete against the now lame duck NSX as well as offerings from Porsche et al.

I'm sure you guys will ask me for sources and what not toward the above. Run a search on my name and keywords "NSX" and/or "Supra" either here or at i-Club as I made a similar same post toward this information with a complete detail of links during the summer (I think it was May). Or better yet do your own homework and you'll discover same similar.

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Old 09-30-2003, 02:16 PM   #8
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Psssshhhh, what-ev-ar, Janq... it looks like an Opel.

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Old 09-30-2003, 03:03 PM   #9
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The NSX looks like an NSX with an Enzo like F1 front splitter though it mostly resembles the concept EVOQ with its slab sides and angular greenhouse. While the Mitsu has a strong family resemblance to the Celica in its front end and a 355 3/4 profile. I'll bet my socks that the air intake atop the roof will not make production.

I believe the 5000GT is a Toyota.
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Old 09-30-2003, 03:07 PM   #10
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Both of these pics have been floating around for over a year.
This picture came from the Sep. 2003 issue of this Japanese magazine:
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Old 09-30-2003, 03:20 PM   #11
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Actually the Toyota 5000GT resembles the FXS concept back in 2001 at Tokyo Motor Show.

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Old 09-30-2003, 03:30 PM   #12
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The Honda Dualnote is what you are refering to:

Quote from www.cardesignnews.com

"A 3.5 litre i-VTEC V6 together with an additional electric motor/generator drives the rear wheels, while two electric motors drives front wheels. The drive torque for each front wheel are controlled by computer to enhance the car's handling stablity. Total output power is 400ps. Honda claims that the fuel efficiency is 5.56 litre per 100km."

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Old 09-30-2003, 05:01 PM   #13
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I believe the 5000GT is a Toyota.
Mitsu = Toyota in Janq's World

Thanks for the correction, I made a Freudian slip.
Shows what I think of Toyota.

Yep, the 'Dualnote' is the show cardesign exercise. The underpinings and mechanicals have been and are still under development toward debut in the NSX. Ultimately Toyota looks to apply hybrid technology across the board to most if not all of its offerings. IMHO, a smart position better and more feasible than say BMW's hydrogen/fuel cell initiatives.

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Old 10-01-2003, 07:19 AM   #14
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As long as the electric motor is reliable it is a good idea, it has instant torque and environmentally friendly. Just hope all this gadgetry doesn’t break down.
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Old 10-01-2003, 11:20 AM   #15
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As long as the electric motor is reliable it is a good idea, it has instant torque and environmentally friendly. Just hope all this gadgetry doesn’t break down.
The technology is already proven and based on equipment sold and in use. Honda & Toyota (and their suppliers) have been doing this stuff for a long while now in their domestic market not to mention the USDM offerings.

Honda/Acura won't let the NSX hit the road with anything less than bulletproof stuff. I'd like to see these e-car ideas trickle down to conventionaly priced cars ASAP.

I'm dying to get a test drive in the new GEN II Prius.

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