Where do you put the ball of your foot for heel toe?

ButtDyno · 09-30-2003, 10:41 PM

Coming back from work on an empty road, I decided to try a couple 4->3 downshifts heel-toe double clutch style. I already (very slowly) double clutch downshifts and figured I'd give it a shot.

Just testing in the parking lot, it was pretty much impossible for me to have the ball of my foot on the brake and make my heel hit the gas pedal - it was actually going a little too far and hitting the raised part of the floor to the right of the gas pedal. I had to aim for the top-right corner of the brakes and then it was easier (but still felt a little funny).

My question is - is the top right of the brake pedal the right place to aim w/ the top of my foot? And how "on" the brake pedal should I be, should I be covering up an inch wide of the pedal, 2, barely any, etc etc...

I managed to get two 4->3's in smoothly before I got home, just looking for a little guidance. Thanks.

-bd

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dowroa · 09-30-2003, 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by ButtDyno
Coming back from work on an empty road, I decided to try a couple 4->3 downshifts heel-toe double clutch style. I already (very slowly) double clutch downshifts and figured I'd give it a shot.

Just testing in the parking lot, it was pretty much impossible for me to have the ball of my foot on the brake and make my heel hit the gas pedal - it was actually going a little too far and hitting the raised part of the floor to the right of the gas pedal. I had to aim for the top-right corner of the brakes and then it was easier (but still felt a little funny).

My question is - is the top right of the brake pedal the right place to aim w/ the top of my foot? And how "on" the brake pedal should I be, should I be covering up an inch wide of the pedal, 2, barely any, etc etc...

I managed to get two 4->3's in smoothly before I got home, just looking for a little guidance. Thanks.

-bd

Man, I have a hell of a time doing heel toe downshifts without going a brisk pace. The result is from not having to depress the brake pedal as far, and I wind up slamming the brake in order to move my heel over to get a good slap on the gas pedal.

I would suggest trying to at a speed where you can get more brake pedal so the brake is actually depressed lower than then gas. Then it is easier to roll over and blip the gas.

Someone else will have better over all advice, I am sure. I just thought I would interject my point of view with heel toe. Good luck!

- dow

STIRS · 09-30-2003, 11:27 PM

I can do it driving slow or fast without problems, what works for me when im driving "spiritedly" is pressing the brakes not with the top of your foot but a little lower towards the middle of your foot, that way its easier to hit the gas with your heel and give it more gas. Sometimes when im just driving normally I press the brakes normally and hit the very bottom left corner of the pedal to blip it just a little but because im not going that fast. If you are hitting the raised part of the floor just move your foot up a little so you end up hitting the gas pedal at a higher point.

xenonk · 10-01-2003, 03:55 AM

I have a video for you!!! It's a video of my footwork that you are probably looking for (hope you dont mind starring at my hairy legs in the process).

If you want the technical write-out, just goto www.howstuffworks.com or just pick up the book GOING FASTER by Skip Barber Racing School ($35 at www.amazon.com ).

I hope this link works for ya, just click on the Salazar Racing Video

Footwork Video

Keefe

ButtDyno · 10-01-2003, 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by xenonk
I hope this link works for ya, just click on the Salazar Racing Video

Footwork Video

Keefe

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-bd

Slowpoke · 10-01-2003, 09:13 AM

I press the brake in exactly the same spot as I do when braking regularly. To heel toe I just rotate my foot. I don't blip the throttle with my heel, I actually use the outside edge of my foot about halfway down. That part of my foot hits the upper half of the throttle pedal.

It takes a bit of practice to be able to modulate brake and throttle independently. But once you get it you will be able to do it regardless of whether you are braking lightly or heavily, and you will be able to do it without jabbing the brake when you blip.

reks · 10-01-2003, 10:09 AM

It is proper to put the ball of your foot on the brake and the heel on the gas pedal.

However, my size 11 1/2 shoes also allow me to put the ball on the brake and the right outside part of the shoe on the gas if I roll my foot from left to right.

Depending on how big your feet are and how the pedals feel in your car, one may work better for you than the other.

Lazy · 10-01-2003, 11:49 AM

Heel-Toe is such a crappy term.... you dont litterly have to do it that way many ppl like stated use the same part of there foot just inside on the brake and outside part on the gas i do that becuase my size 13 shoe and in my 240 the gas pedal is short so i have to almost get it completly sideways to literaly heel-toe. so yea i say get in there play around with a couple diffrent foot positions and see what feels most natural and comfortable for you.

Badkarma · 10-01-2003, 12:04 PM

Yeah, it's niced to be blessed with big feet

. I can't count the number of times I've "accidentally" h/t with my 13s

I can put the left edge of my shoe on the brake and the right edge on the gas at the same time. All I have to do is rotate my foot.

I still suck at it though.

Caddy Daddy · 10-01-2003, 08:17 PM

i dont have the slightest where you guys are finding the room to rotate your foot. I can barely fit both my legs down there, much less start turning my right.
my right knee keeps on hitting the center console, and has no room to go any direction except down onto the accelorator (with it still pressing against the console).
maybe the newer models have more legroom? id think smaller feet would be easier to do this with.

Badkarma · 10-01-2003, 09:03 PM

My brother is 6'4" oh about 230lbs or so. He had the seat back all the way and was reclined a good bit.

He fit, but I'd say a 2 hour trip would be his max.

I'm 6'0" 200lbs and I'm just as comfortable in the rex as I was in my trailblazer.

09-30-2003, 10:41 PM	#1
ButtDyno Street's closed, pizza boy Member#: 17301 Join Date: Apr 2002 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Why do they always say the Evo Vehicle: is the "dark side" 06 Evo #7 STU, 05 Saabaru	Where do you put the ball of your foot for heel toe? Coming back from work on an empty road, I decided to try a couple 4->3 downshifts heel-toe double clutch style. I already (very slowly) double clutch downshifts and figured I'd give it a shot. Just testing in the parking lot, it was pretty much impossible for me to have the ball of my foot on the brake and make my heel hit the gas pedal - it was actually going a little too far and hitting the raised part of the floor to the right of the gas pedal. I had to aim for the top-right corner of the brakes and then it was easier (but still felt a little funny). My question is - is the top right of the brake pedal the right place to aim w/ the top of my foot? And how "on" the brake pedal should I be, should I be covering up an inch wide of the pedal, 2, barely any, etc etc... I managed to get two 4->3's in smoothly before I got home, just looking for a little guidance. Thanks. -bd * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

10-01-2003, 03:55 AM	#4
xenonk Scooby Guru Member#: 18823 Join Date: May 2002 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: In my car Vehicle: 2011 :dunno: monochrome?	NOTHING LIKE VISUAL AID!! I have a video for you!!! It's a video of my footwork that you are probably looking for (hope you dont mind starring at my hairy legs in the process). If you want the technical write-out, just goto www.howstuffworks.com or just pick up the book GOING FASTER by Skip Barber Racing School ($35 at www.amazon.com ). I hope this link works for ya, just click on the Salazar Racing Video Footwork Video Keefe Last edited by xenonk; 10-01-2003 at 04:06 AM.

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09-30-2003, 11:27 PM	#3
STIRS Scooby Newbie Member#: 16731 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Buffalo Grove, IL Vehicle: 2002 Impreza WRX WR Blue	I can do it driving slow or fast without problems, what works for me when im driving "spiritedly" is pressing the brakes not with the top of your foot but a little lower towards the middle of your foot, that way its easier to hit the gas with your heel and give it more gas. Sometimes when im just driving normally I press the brakes normally and hit the very bottom left corner of the pedal to blip it just a little but because im not going that fast. If you are hitting the raised part of the floor just move your foot up a little so you end up hitting the gas pedal at a higher point.

10-01-2003, 09:13 AM	#6
Slowpoke Scooby Specialist Member#: 19879 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Vehicle: 2004 WRX Java Black	I press the brake in exactly the same spot as I do when braking regularly. To heel toe I just rotate my foot. I don't blip the throttle with my heel, I actually use the outside edge of my foot about halfway down. That part of my foot hits the upper half of the throttle pedal. It takes a bit of practice to be able to modulate brake and throttle independently. But once you get it you will be able to do it regardless of whether you are braking lightly or heavily, and you will be able to do it without jabbing the brake when you blip.

10-01-2003, 10:09 AM	#7
reks Scooby Specialist Member#: 9567 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Marlboro, MA Vehicle: 2005 Legacy GT Wagon Silver	It is proper to put the ball of your foot on the brake and the heel on the gas pedal. However, my size 11 1/2 shoes also allow me to put the ball on the brake and the right outside part of the shoe on the gas if I roll my foot from left to right. Depending on how big your feet are and how the pedals feel in your car, one may work better for you than the other.

10-01-2003, 11:49 AM	#8
Lazy Scooby Newbie Member#: 43917 Join Date: Sep 2003 Vehicle: 95 Nissan 240sx	Heel-Toe is such a crappy term.... you dont litterly have to do it that way many ppl like stated use the same part of there foot just inside on the brake and outside part on the gas i do that becuase my size 13 shoe and in my 240 the gas pedal is short so i have to almost get it completly sideways to literaly heel-toe. so yea i say get in there play around with a couple diffrent foot positions and see what feels most natural and comfortable for you.

10-01-2003, 12:04 PM	#9
Badkarma Scooby Specialist Member#: 42641 Join Date: Sep 2003 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Oakwood GA Vehicle: 2004 GTO Red as Hell	Yeah, it's niced to be blessed with big feet . I can't count the number of times I've "accidentally" h/t with my 13s I can put the left edge of my shoe on the brake and the right edge on the gas at the same time. All I have to do is rotate my foot. I still suck at it though.

10-01-2003, 08:17 PM	#10
Caddy Daddy Scooby Specialist Member#: 11070 Join Date: Oct 2001 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Wisconsin Vehicle: 2004 SG9, '77 R100/7 '00 Ducati ST2	i dont have the slightest where you guys are finding the room to rotate your foot. I can barely fit both my legs down there, much less start turning my right. my right knee keeps on hitting the center console, and has no room to go any direction except down onto the accelorator (with it still pressing against the console). maybe the newer models have more legroom? id think smaller feet would be easier to do this with.

10-01-2003, 09:03 PM	#11
Badkarma Scooby Specialist Member#: 42641 Join Date: Sep 2003 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Oakwood GA Vehicle: 2004 GTO Red as Hell	My brother is 6'4" oh about 230lbs or so. He had the seat back all the way and was reclined a good bit. He fit, but I'd say a 2 hour trip would be his max. I'm 6'0" 200lbs and I'm just as comfortable in the rex as I was in my trailblazer.