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Old 10-01-2003, 02:30 AM   #1
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Default where to buy toluene?

i read that u can mix toluene with pump gas and it will effectively raise your octane level so i went out to buy a gallon of that stuff. I paid 10 dollars for a gallon. I thought it was alot cheaper. Anyone use toluene? and how much do u pay for it?
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Old 10-01-2003, 03:07 AM   #2
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hey man I have been looking for toulene.. where are you located and where did you buy them?.. I am here in burbank california!! Help me out boyz and girlz... where do they sell toulene?
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Old 10-01-2003, 03:11 AM   #3
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i bought it at a paint retail store . powell paint. i live in oregon. Toluene is a paint thinner so it should be available at paint stores.
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Old 10-01-2003, 04:36 AM   #4
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I'll check home depot tomorrow when I go to work.
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Old 10-01-2003, 01:48 PM   #5
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I checked home depot already. They dont have it at the one i went to. 10 bucks a gallon is just too fricken expensive.
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Old 10-01-2003, 02:14 PM   #6
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I pay ~$35 for a 5-gallon can at Sherwin Williams.

It's even cheaper per gallon if you buy a 55-gallon drum.
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Old 10-01-2003, 03:15 PM   #7
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I beleive Home Depot does carry Xylene though which is 116 octane.
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Old 10-01-2003, 03:36 PM   #8
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I pay ~$35 for a 5-gallon can at Sherwin Williams.

It's even cheaper per gallon if you buy a 55-gallon drum.
Check out Sherwin Williams. Thats probably your best bet.

I paid $7 for 1-gallon can. See if you can setup an account with them, and save like 20% off retail.
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Old 10-02-2003, 04:05 AM   #9
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I buy 5 gal. cans of toluene for $26.19, out the door at a PPG automotive paint supply store here in florida
Xylene is usually about $3 more/can, so I just buy toluene.
The cheapest places are going to be industrial/professional supply places.
I would buy a 55 gal drum in a heartbeat, if I had a place to put it
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Old 10-03-2003, 06:15 AM   #10
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comparing toluene with xylene:

xylene:
117 (r+m)/2 octane
lower vapor pressure than gasoline (means it doesn't evaporate as well and thus doesn't mix with air in your engine as well)
available at Home Depot $9/gal

toluene:
114 (r+m)/2 octane
higher vapor pressure than gasoline (means it helps your fuel mix atomize and mix better for more complete combustion)
available at paint stores $7-8/gal
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Old 10-03-2003, 11:46 AM   #11
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*** is that safe to use? i never heard of it, is it like dropping mothballs in your gas tank or somthing?
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Old 10-03-2003, 01:34 PM   #12
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It's very safe to use if done properly.

Read this.

I also encourage you to do your own research as well. There's lots of information on the web about using Toluene to raise octane levels.
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*** is that safe to use? i never heard of it, is it like dropping mothballs in your gas tank or somthing?
No blackie. That is old, old hot rod guys.

http://www.elektro.com/~audi/audi/toluene/tol2.html
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Old 10-03-2003, 09:09 PM   #14
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Try Sherwin Williams. You can even get discounts on the 5 gallon jugs.
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Originally posted by nhluhr
comparing toluene with xylene:

xylene:
117 (r+m)/2 octane
lower vapor pressure than gasoline (means it doesn't evaporate as well and thus doesn't mix with air in your engine as well)
available at Home Depot $9/gal

toluene:
114 (r+m)/2 octane
higher vapor pressure than gasoline (means it helps your fuel mix atomize and mix better for more complete combustion)
available at paint stores $7-8/gal
OMG. He's almost completed the unholy high octane aromatics BTX trinity: Benzene, Toluene, Xylene.


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OMG. He's almost completed the unholy high octane aromatics BTX trinity: Benzene, Toluene, Xylene.


Glad to oblige.....

by the way - i think benzene is supposed to be more hazardous/poisonous than toluene.
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Old 10-05-2003, 01:36 PM   #17
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how bad is toluene on the o2 sensors? I would only mix like a gallon or two into a tank of gas and not run it just straight. Are we talking like a few tanks and the o2 sensor is gone or will it be good for awhile?
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Tolouene is already in gasoline. It will not harm your o2 sensor.

But you cannot run straight tolouene. I have read not more than a 30% mixture.
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I've been running 1-2 gallons/tank, in almost every tank for a year now with no ill effects.
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*** is that safe to use? i never heard of it, is it like dropping mothballs in your gas tank or somthing?
its safe
atleast 1 gal in a full tank of gas safe
ace hardware = $10gal
wagner hardware in bellair = $7gal

now i dont know what is better:

gallon of race gas for $5 or 2 for $10 or 5 for $25

gallon of toluene for $7-$10

which one raises the octane more for the $$?
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Old 10-05-2003, 11:47 PM   #21
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Default Octane arithmetic

The calculation is straight arithmetic, just add up all the octane and divide by the total number of gallons:

(gallons fuel1 * fuel1 octane) + (gal of fuel2 * fuel2 octane) = "combined octane"

"combined octane" total gallons = average octane.


For 10 gallons of calif. gas and a gallon of toluene,

(10 * 91) + (1 * 114) =
(910) + (114) = 1024

1024 11 = 93.09 octane


For 9 gallons of gas and 2 gallons of 100 octane:

819 + 200 = 1019

1019 11 = 92.63 octane
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Old 10-06-2003, 01:38 AM   #22
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Originally posted by 2Stroke
The calculation is straight arithmetic, just add up all the octane and divide by the total number of gallons:

(gallons fuel1 * fuel1 octane) + (gal of fuel2 * fuel2 octane) = "combined octane"

"combined octane" total gallons = average octane.


For 10 gallons of calif. gas and a gallon of toluene,

(10 * 91) + (1 * 114) =
(910) + (114) = 1024

1024 11 = 93.09 octane


For 9 gallons of gas and 2 gallons of 100 octane:



819 + 200 = 1019

1019 11 = 92.63 octane
10gal 93 + 1gal toluene = 95
10gal 93 + 1 gal 104 race gas = 94 octane
9gal 93 + 2 gal 104 race gas ($10) = 95
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