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Old 10-01-2003, 03:00 PM   #1
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G'day,

I have a wagon with 130K on it; had it since 45K. Love it. Definitely time for new shocks and springs.

I have looked around and am not finding a lot of talk on this subject.

I am thinking:

new shocks - KYB GR-2?
new springs?
new rear swaybar - SPO?

Suggestions?

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Old 10-01-2003, 04:37 PM   #2
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Your ideas all look good to me. KYB shocks are good. Whiteline and Eibach make lowering springs. H&R might, too.

Rear swaybar will make your handling more snappy.

I suggest doing a search, there are many many suspension upgrade threads in this forum.

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Old 10-01-2003, 09:11 PM   #3
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My 97 GT Sedan has the H&R springs and it could have not looked any better I think with any other springs. It looks perfectly even front and back. I still have my stock shocks but they are quickly wearing out because of the springs.

I'd suggest the KYB AGX shocks, 4-way adjustable on the front and 8-way adjustable in the rear....yes it's more $$$ but you get the convinience of choosing a softer or harder ride. That's what I'll be getting for mine next year.
My brother had the KYB GR2 on his 95 Legacy sedan and with the H&R springs it was ridding stiff and he11 He also had a replica front strut tower brace (which I inherited) and the SYMS rear strut tower brace. I tell you one thing...his car could corner amazing.

And yes...SPO currently has awesome deal on the SYMS rear strut tower brace...c'mon who can beat that $129.00....the unfortunate thing....I don't think it fits sedans otherwise I'd have it already!

Of course....as monovich said....there many other routes you can go!
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Old 10-02-2003, 12:13 AM   #4
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Thanks for the suggestion to search to forum more. New to this forum and did not immediately see other options.
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Old 10-02-2003, 12:17 AM   #5
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SubeGURU,

Thanks for the suggestions of the H&Rs.

SPO has there own rear sway bar. I wonder how it compares.

GR2 too stiff? I have had them on other cars as well. I might go with the AGX for the options.

Rear strut brace sounds like a good option as well.

I am getting a full 120K service done very soon along with the suspension install; it will be a really big check.

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Old 10-02-2003, 09:43 PM   #6
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And yes...SPO currently has awesome deal on the SYMS rear strut tower brace...c'mon who can beat that $129.00....the unfortunate thing....I don't think it fits sedans otherwise I'd have it already!
They do actually have one for the sedan... it's only 20 bucks more... you should get it
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Old 10-02-2003, 09:49 PM   #7
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Thanks for letting me know. I didn't see it on their website...have you checked with SPO over the phone?! And...we are talking about the SYMS one right...not a replica?!
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Old 10-02-2003, 09:53 PM   #8
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Here's the page that I saw it on. I haven't called them to verify inventory or anything, especially since I've got a wagon... it's listed right above the bar for the wagon
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Old 10-03-2003, 03:35 AM   #9
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Good luck getting SPO/Scott to answer his phone...I always use to get his voice mail.

The sway bars are great quality; made locally by IPD - the volvo performance company.

How much difference will the rear strut brace make in a wagon with a sway bar?
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Old 10-03-2003, 05:39 PM   #10
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I don't think you will find KYB GR2's to be too stiff. I have my Legacy on GR2's and Eibach's and if anything I feel like the struts are underdamped.
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Old 10-03-2003, 05:54 PM   #11
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I think I just need to get the prices lined out and decide. Lotsof good options out there.

Thanks for the info.
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Old 10-04-2003, 10:15 AM   #12
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there was someone here selling good used tein coilovers for your wagon. i couldn't find the thread when i searched though... can ne1 else help?
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Old 10-04-2003, 10:54 PM   #13
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Found the thread from late Aug and sent the person and email, but no response if they are available. I might try another method. The Teins would be ideal!
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Old 10-11-2003, 11:02 AM   #14
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How much difference will the rear strut brace make in a wagon with a sway bar?
I did a Cusco aluminum front STB and a Cusco CF rear STB in my car while using the stock anti sway bars.
Big difference in handling, a lot less understeer. I now run almost no tire pressure differential front to rear and have a close to neutral car.
With Dunlop SP Sport 5000's, the car corners very well, but is still lacking a bit for autoX.
I am getting MY00 RS rims to run a better autoX tire, and KYB AGX's (for an Impreza) with Whiteline control springs.
The AGX's give adjustability and raise the car ~1/2" while the springs drop the car ~ 1.2".
The net effect is a slightly lowered car, but still useful for driving in the snow.
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Old 10-12-2003, 12:19 AM   #15
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Lightbulb Or you could upgrade the rear cheap...

A cheap upgrade to the rear swaybar is to get the rear swaybar off of an Outback. The Outback's bar is 18mm compared to our 15mm.

Ground Control springs would add an adjustability to the height. They make 'em (likely have 'em listed for the GC8 Impreza). I'm just no longer sure about spring rates. I seem to remember thinking that 220f/190r would be a 10% bump in rates, but I'm completely not sure.

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Old 10-12-2003, 11:31 AM   #16
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RF,

Interesting idea. Does the Outback bolt up the same as the Legacy? I imagine I need larger bushings at the least.

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Old 10-12-2003, 03:11 PM   #17
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Yeah, the Outback bar will bolt right up, just make sure (as you guessed) to get the bushings along with the bar.

Another option (a better option, IMHO) for struts is to go with Koni inserts. I've ridden in Imprezas with the KYB AGX's and find the damping to be quite harsh, even on soft settings. Konis, on the other hand, have a more refined damping curve that allows them to handle well you not jar your kidneys. The big downside is that you have to cut apart your stock struts, pull out the innards, and then put in the Koni inserts. Not a mod for the faint of heart.

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Old 10-13-2003, 12:17 PM   #18
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CUT open the STRUTS?

Is there a DIY "How to" posted anywhere online?

I have liked Konis is the past. I wonder what setting the AGXs were set at that you rode in.

The PDM deal on AGX and Whiteline springs looks good; if I can get a Legacy wagon set up.
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Old 10-17-2003, 12:44 PM   #19
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Old 11-20-2003, 01:13 AM   #20
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Well...I found out what NOT to do...

If you want to drop your car to the ground, then put Perrin (Impreza) springs on your GT. Rear fenders had a hair between the tire and the fender and under car tranny clearance was about 2".

Went back to the stock springs with the AGXs with the IPD rear adj bar. Now it looks like the AGXs have raised the car.

Here are some pics http://www.nowroc.com/Personal/Soob/index.htm

Out $200 in labor for my stupidity. Live and learn in the end.
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Old 11-20-2003, 01:33 AM   #21
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DAMN!

now that is low. you could win any limbo contest.
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Old 11-20-2003, 02:06 AM   #22
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Looked great, but was Track height.
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Old 11-20-2003, 04:21 AM   #23
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I'd suggest the KYB AGX shocks, 4-way adjustable on the front and 8-way adjustable in the rear....yes it's more $$$ but you get the convinience of choosing a softer or harder ride. That's what I'll be getting for mine next year. My brother had the KYB GR2 on his 95 Legacy sedan and with the H&R springs it was ridding stiff and he11
If I remember correctly, the softest setting on the AGXs is approximately the same as the dampening on GR-2s... It only gets stiffer from there...

My GR-2s are nice, although I'm not AutoXing at all, but for the crappy county roads that I drive on a lot, , they're soft enough and still give me a lot of grins thru corners
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Old 11-20-2003, 10:47 AM   #24
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Well...I found out what NOT to do...

If you want to drop your car to the ground, then put Perrin (Impreza) springs on your GT. Rear fenders had a hair between the tire and the fender and under car tranny clearance was about 2".

Went back to the stock springs with the AGXs with the IPD rear adj bar. Now it looks like the AGXs have raised the car.

Here are some pics http://www.nowroc.com/Personal/Soob/index.htm

Out $200 in labor for my stupidity. Live and learn in the end.
LOL. Dude thats kinda like what my wagon looked like on the STi Ver8 setup. Maybe not quite thatlow, but close.

Hey if nobody tries, nothing new every gets done.

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Old 11-20-2003, 10:50 AM   #25
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I also have my next attempt on the way. This time a Ver5 STi complete setup. The spring rates on these are higher than the current STis so I am curious to see how they handle the wagons weight. Of course I am gonna take measurements before and after disassembly to see whats up.

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