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Old 10-01-2003, 05:30 PM   #1
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Default Chuck D and LL Cool J sound off on the RIAA

Interesting news clip:

http://www.allhiphop.com/hiphopnews/?id=2404

As you might guess, Chuck D is on the side of file sharing, LL against:

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Chuck D., who split with Def Jam due to creative differences, said that he never felt that his copyrights were protected by the industry in the first place.

"I trust the consumer more than I trust the people at the helm of these (recording) companies," Chuck D. said. "As far as rock 'n' roll, blues licks were taken from the Mississippi Delta without authorization, so people can spend $180 to check out the Rolling Stones do it all over again. So the record industry is hypocritical."
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Old 10-01-2003, 05:34 PM   #2
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I see his point, but I can also see LL's point since he's the one out of the two actually still making records.
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Old 10-01-2003, 05:49 PM   #3
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I see his point, but I can also see LL's point since he's the one out of the two actually still making records.
PE is still making records, but they don't have major label distribution anymore. I don't know if they're still making good music, but they are still making records.

And I liked 'He Got Game'; BUffalo Springfield sample and all...

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PE is still making records, but they don't have major label distribution anymore. I don't know if they're still making good music, but they are still making records.


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I knew there was talk after Flavor Flav got cleaned up or something, but I never heard anymore about it. That's interesting, thanks.
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Old 10-01-2003, 05:55 PM   #5
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I love how chuck managed to throw in the reference to the white oppresor there.

funny how the stones and the beatles crediting their blues heroes when interviewed was the only factor that enabled those same people (Bo Diddley, Howling Wolf) to start getting respect and getting paid.

then this jackass spins it that no credit was given.

it was WHITE PEOPLE that kept the blues alive got it the respect it deserved. Chuck D's people fukin ignored it and were letting it die.

the fukin nerve of that revisionist douche.

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Old 10-01-2003, 06:04 PM   #6
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funny how the stones and the beatles crediting their blues heroes when interviewed was the only factor that enabled those same people (Bo Diddley, Howling Wolf) to start getting respect and getting paid.
Someone getting "credit" for being an inspiration is one thing, copyright infringement is another. Chuck D is talking about songs that were flat-out ripped off, like half of Zeppelins first few records. Get your history straight.

The fact of the matter is that record labels aren't concerned about protecting their artists, they're concerned with making gobs and gobs of money. Anyone who's even remotely connected with the recording industry know that artists get f*cked on a daily basis, to say otherwise is ignorant.
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I knew there was talk after Flavor Flav got cleaned up or something, but I never heard anymore about it. That's interesting, thanks.
I don't know if this link will actually take you to the right place, but...
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll

If not, just type in Public Enemy in the search functin at the top of the All Music Guide web site (www.allmusic.com) and you can see all of their albums. 3 since 1998...

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Chuck D is talking about songs that were flat-out ripped off, like half of Zeppelins first few records. Get your history straight.
that's pretty funny considering the history of the blues is one artist ripping off the previous one. and you think I need to learn my history.

please...

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that's pretty funny considering the history of the blues is one artist ripping off the previous one. and you think I need to learn my history.

please...

do you even play?
Again, you're confusing "inspiration" with blatant ripping off. Yes, of course there's few things in rock and roll and blues that are truly original, but that's a completely different point. I don't see why that makes Chuck D's point that the record industry is less interested in protecting artists rights than just making money any less valid.

I play drums, bass and guitar, have been in countless bands playing each. I have been booking shows since I was 16, ran an all-ages club that stuck around for about 10 years, recorded bands for a living for many years and am generally a fan of all music. What are your credentials?

Not to tarnish Led Zeppelin's legacy (I'm a huge fan), but facts are facts:

http://www.listology.com/content_sho...ontent_id=8937
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I don't have "credentials".

I play Bass, Guitar, and Drums in that order. I am mediocre hobbyist.

The fact remains that without the credit given them by English white boys those artists would have been long forgotten by Americans.

I wonder if Chuck Berry resents Keith Richards the way Chuck D apparently does?

Do you think he's up there on stage playing with Keith thinking "**** this white boy... have to uncle tom with all these goddam crackas just to make ends meet"

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The fact remains that without the credit given them by English white boys those artists would have been long forgotten by Americans.
Without a doubt, and British artists have historically been incredibly gracious to performers they've been inspired by. They were amazed that the artists hadn't already gained notoriety in the US, considering their popularity in Britain. Kind of sad.

The problem here really isn't the artists per se, and I would think that Chuck D is assuming is role as the colorful commentator on a serious situation. Of course he's going to say something outrageous (sh|t, if I were him in front of a congressional committee - you bet I would).

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I wonder if Chuck Berry resents Keith Richards the way Chuck D apparently does?

Do you think he's up there on stage playing with Keith thinking "fuk this white boy... have to uncle tom with all these goddam crackas just to make ends meet"
Again, the issue is record companies f*cking artists, not artists f*cking artists. Don't try to portray Chuck D as being some knee-jerk black supremacist, because you're wrong. If you've followed his career at all (or met him, like I have ) you'd see a different story. You have no clue what Chuck D's opinion of Keith Richard and the Rolling Stones are, I think you're really missing the point.
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