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Old 02-12-2001, 09:41 AM   #1
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Question Toughguard Paint Protection??

Is the Toughguard paint protection really as good as they promise? Have there been any comparitive reviews or tests? Anyone using it?? It sound too good to be true, and as it's fairly expen$ive and has a sort of multi-level marketing I really wonder about whether it's as good as the company states.
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Old 02-12-2001, 09:53 AM   #2
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Wow, that sounds oo good to be true...if it ain't no joke...I'm buyin'. Please any body have experience with this product?
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Old 02-12-2001, 10:14 AM   #3
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never heard of it...

sorry.. cant help there...
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Old 02-12-2001, 08:09 PM   #4
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I got the Toughgard as a part of my lease. Most people say I got jacked on it, but I like it a lot. I just go hand-wash the car, and the water beads up on it like it was waxed. It's kinda like a permanent wax job, and makes it a little easier to wash, too. Don't care what my friends say, I like it.
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Old 02-13-2001, 01:24 AM   #5
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It is seems like it is a acrylic based sealant that reacts with the paint on the car to form a layer that protects your paint.

So you will be using a layer of plastic to protect your car's paint... and I don't know how good that is for the paint. It is a good idea though, but I am just weary of such claims.

just some RawCode...
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Old 02-13-2001, 10:03 AM   #6
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Ok, I've been in the polymer/plastics engineering field for 12 years and I have to say the description of "How it Works" is confusing to say the least. At worst, I'll quote my favorite black chef and say "That's the most ridiculous load of pig crap I've ever heard."

Acrylics are often used in coatings because they are tough and weather well. This is true. But either the person who wrote that section has no idea of what they're talking about or they are trying to bull**** you.

"The conglomerate is designed to fill the pores of the paint with a unique resin(plasticizer)"

Fully cured paint has almost no porosity. Plasticizers are additives that soften the plastic matrix they are added to. Makes no sense.

"...contains an acrylic which when fully cured, is hard, durable, antistatic, transparent..."

To do this, the acrylic must be chemically thermally or UV cured. This is likely. On the other hand, many automotive paint systems are urethane-based, especially clearcoats...and these are bitching hard to adhere stuff to.

"To allow this to happen a special patented surface preparation is part of the system. In the preparation solution a "cationic" (positive) surfactant is used to purge the pores of the surfaces to be treated and magentically charge the surface in a positive polarity"

Translation: You wash the car with detergent. They also mix magentism with chemical charge polarity. This is like saying you can suck the chemically negatively charged chlorine atoms out of a glass of salt water by sticking one end of a bar magnet in the the glass.

"The pores are charged...molecules are pulled into the pores magnetically and held there while all of the protective chemicals have crosslinked...locking ToughGuard into the paint..."

Again, fundamentally incorrect use of magnetism. Although, if so formulated, the coating will crosslink in place.

They further go on to mention that silicones will "crosslink" and "bond" onto painted surfaces. This is unlikely. Silicones are either thermal or radiation crosslinked. Thermal means they have to be baked. UV crosslinkable finishes of low enough viscosity to paint on are toxic to handle.

Well, I'm not saying the product might not work on some level. I'm saying it's unlikely to work according to the model they propose. Acrylic and urethane protective and hardcoatings are used extensively inside the passenger cabin and on the exterior. And they are tough stuff, they just almost always need a baking cycle or high intensity UV radiation to cure and crosslink.

Note: Those windshield crack fillers are often either thick (epoxies) or thin (UV curing acrylates). The acrylates are acutely toxic (see label)

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Old 02-13-2001, 03:14 PM   #7
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Well, when I got my car done, they had it overnight, so it took a little while. Really don't know how much difference it makes, I only had the car for a week before I got it done, but I like it. I figure anything will help this weak paint that Subies come with! When I get painting done on my car, do they need to remove this stuff, I wonder? I'll be at Carr Subaru tomorrow getting a quote for a fender, so I'll try to remember to ask. And thanks for the expaination. I guess snake oil is one of the ToughGard ingredients!
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