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Old 09-28-2000, 04:39 PM   #1
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Angry Help - Red/Clear Clusters Leak

Hey all,

I've done quite a bit of searching about the topic, so no flames please

Anyway, I installed my red/clear rears about a week ago. Of course it rained torrentially then next day, and I got large amounts of water in my trunk (~1 gallon)

I pulled everything out and let it dry, and shop-vac'ed the water out of the spare tire well, so that's all okay.

My problem is that I've tried adding more sealant (I used 3m super weatherstrip adhesive), but they still leak. I add more to the place the water came out when I tested w/ a hose, let it dry, tested again - still leaks. I've added more 3 times... still leaks. The place where the water comes out (on both clusters) is where the plastic "ridge" that runs across above the bulb sockets ends. The water may be leaking in somewhere else and just running along that ridge and finally coming into the car where there's no more ridge...

Does anyone have any suggestions? I don't particulary feel like ripping them out and starting again... but I'd also like to be able to wash the car

Thanks in advance,

Eric
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Old 09-28-2000, 06:15 PM   #2
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go to a stereo shop or window installer and get dumb gum...that black gooey crap they use to seal stuff with..get a good 6 feet of it and plaster it all along the seals of those lights..no more leaks!!..
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Old 09-28-2000, 06:16 PM   #3
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I figured it would come to that....
I just don't know if the 3m stuff is going to be mushy under heat like the original stuff was... I hope I can get them back out!
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Old 09-28-2000, 07:13 PM   #4
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Nothing works it is a hopeless tunnel of doom. The tail light mod is the worst mod I have ever done and I am still paying for it. I have tried everthing known to man to seal them and no luck. In fact I just tried again to day I dont' know if it will work this time but I dont' have high hopes. I have had mine since May, nightmare ever since. Just strip the trunk of every thing untill your lucy enough to figure it out some how. Dont forget the wells on either side of the car like where the jack is those fill with water too.(they are behind the side walls)
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Old 09-28-2000, 07:21 PM   #5
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if all else fails go to your local body shop and give the guy there a 20 spot and have him fix them for you.

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Old 09-28-2000, 07:22 PM   #6
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Thanks for the encouragement

Basshead - Do I need to heat up the dumb gum to get it to seal correctly? (if they ever do)

Now that I think about it, I'll ask the ppl at the window/stereo shop... but you can answer too if you'd like
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Old 09-28-2000, 09:26 PM   #7
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Why don't you use what they use at the bodyshops: Get some automotive strip caulk, aka "dum dum". It comes in boxes of black gooey strips. I have one made by Pro Form, 3/16" strips, 2lbs, cost less than $10, (if I remember correctly), and it works like a charm.

Just make sure you clean all the surfaces thoroughly (use some paint thinner or solvent, but be careful with the plastic), allowing no dust. Then lay the strips around the tails in a circle, about 4 or 5 wide and 2-3 high. Overlap the ends of the different rows, and mush them together real well. Then install on the car. As you tighten the mounting bolts, use a hair dryer to encourage the caulk to form and seal over the openings.

Follow the above carefully, and you will have no more leaks! Good luck!
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Old 09-28-2000, 09:51 PM   #8
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Pilotdoc - exactly the detailed type of instructions I was hoping for

I only hope I can get the 3m crap off fairly easily... I'm not sure how hard it gets when it dries

Thanks for all the help/suggestions!

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Old 09-28-2000, 10:05 PM   #9
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other tips:
- you may want to use an utility blade / exacto knife to help cut away the old stuff. [edit: I used a putty knife]
- at first, with such a thick layer of dum-dum the lights don't seem as if they will actually tighten into the body, that's where the hair dryer comes in handy.
- The box of strip caulk says "for professional use only..."

If you run into any problems, I'm happy to try and help some more...

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Old 09-29-2000, 07:05 AM   #10
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Are these the Subaru OEM red/clear clusters that are leaking?

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Old 09-30-2000, 12:16 AM   #11
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ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!

I spent hours tonight pulling them back off, cleaning all the surfaces and putting them back in... only to have 3 bolts on one side and 1 on the other BREAK away from whatever holds them into the cluster.... the bolts wiggle freely now and cannot be tightened... The clusters are on, but not aligned very well due to the inability to tighten them

I must have used too much sealant which put too much stress on the bolts while I was tightening them into the body.... but it's not like they got tight and I just kept turning harder.... they just NEVER tightened....

I heated the sealant w/ a hairdryer while pushing them in/attempting to tighten them, so the sealant is mainly what's holding them in place now.... The driver side doesn't lne up correctly and the passenger side is not far enough in...

SO - should I send them back and get new ones or just deal w/ the mis-alignment? It's not too horrible, but is noticible if you're paying much attention to them.

The ONLY good thing is that they don't leak now, so I can at least wash the car.

Please, if any of you ever hear me talk about doing engine mods, STOP ME! - I'll probably just break the engine

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Nate, yes they are the OEM red/clears that were leaking. It wasn't the actual clusters themselves leaking, just the poor job I did of sealing the clusters into the hole that the fit in on the back of the car.
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Old 09-30-2000, 10:59 AM   #12
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Ouch, I'm really sorry to hear about your misfortune! If I were you, I think I would play it safe and order some new tails... the sealant is not really a permanent adhesive and may allow some leaking after a while.
There was a group buy on this but I think it's over now ($200 shipped). But I just checked vendor classified and Troncali Subaru has a few sets for the same price. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/Foru...ML/000071.html

The other option, which I just thought of and it might work, is to get some really strong steel reinforced epoxy putty and see if you can secure the bolt on the light again. Yeah, if it's just one bolt, this may work. I would try that first. It's called "Tech Steel" and comes in a 5" clear plastic tube with a red label. I've used it to repair motorcycle parts and it works really well. Cost under $10 and is very handy.

Again, sorry to hear about your tails. Did you break bolts on both lights?

[edit: ok, I see from your post that 4 bolts are loose. Agree, probably too much sealant and/or too much repeated stress on the bolts from repeated installs... The Tech Steel may still work. If you use it, make sure you don't create any bumps which would interfere with the install. i.e. does the base of the bolt where it meets the plastic of the light end up being flush with the car? If so, you may not be able to reinforce well enough with the putty.]

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Old 09-30-2000, 02:23 PM   #13
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I got the ones that broek from Troncalli... I wonder if Lisa would send me a new set and let me send the broken set back when I got them.....

BTW, I washed the car today - zero water in the trunk... but they do look kinda lame sitting about 1/2" further out from the car than they should (they aren't flush w/ the trunk lid)
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Old 10-01-2000, 09:53 AM   #14
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I am not trying to be an A$$, but it sounds like they weren't broken when you got them, and you broke them through repeated installation and removal. Why would Troncalli replace them?

Sorry to hear about all the problems, but you did get the water problem solved then?

I have mine coming in this week (hopefully) and I am glad that all this info came up before my install.

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Old 10-01-2000, 10:48 AM   #15
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I guess if twice counts as excessive installation removal.....

I would be fine w/ it if the damage had occured when I was tightening them excessively... but I had tightened them by hand and had only turned the ratchet about 5 half-turns when the bolts snapped..... unacceptable IMO. The nut never got close to tight.... I was turning and realized that it just wasn't getting tight, so I felt the bolts and they were wiggling.
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Old 10-02-2000, 12:44 AM   #16
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BTW,

Does anyone know what secures the bolts to the cluster housing inside? I took a look at my stock ones and got to thinking that maybe it's just another nut inside or something. I never did hear any noise that would indicate something breaking... Perhaps it's an easy fix? (Is it possible to disassebmle the housing to get to the inside?)

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