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Old 10-02-2003, 02:12 PM   #1
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Default Tragic Plane crash in Chino

Hey fellas, just needeed to get some things off my chest.
I am sure some of you heard of the small plane that crashed in Chino yesterday.
I just found out the Pilot is one of my clients and the passenger a very close friend of ours at the office. The pilot was Paul Mumford of SCC and racing fame with his Ultimate street car, his viper, motorcycles, S2000, etc. The passenger was Chris Priemer, an excellent writer in the Newport Beach Area.

It really sucks cause just last week we had lunch with Priemer at Royal Thai on Coast highway. He was talking about how he and Mumford almost crashed on their way to New Orleans and that Mumford is a relativly new pilot. Chris was to begin writing for us on the Allergan annual report that we work on. That f'er always had brilliant ideas that I could feed off of.

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Old 10-02-2003, 02:24 PM   #2
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this saddens me about paul...everyone at SCC must be completely shocked...I didnt know chris but that is so sad

RIP mummy and chris
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Old 10-02-2003, 03:56 PM   #3
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I hadn't heard about this. I didn't know either of the men personally but I do recognize the names. I am sure they are smiling in Heaven... still doing what they love!
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Old 10-02-2003, 05:40 PM   #4
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Old 10-02-2003, 10:44 PM   #5
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Hmm....I'll check out the NTSB site, see when the prelim is up...

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Old 10-02-2003, 10:51 PM   #6
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Sucks to hear... Skippy, keep us posted on the NTSB findings.

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Old 10-02-2003, 11:30 PM   #7
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Hmm....I'll check out the NTSB site, see when the prelim is up...

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Please keep us posted. We've heard there was a fire in the cockpit. We've also heard that a witness claimed he saw a mid air collision with the other plane flying off. All hearsay.

We do know that Paul was a relativley new pilot and fear his innexperience may have contributed to the crash.

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Old 10-03-2003, 03:44 AM   #8
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OK guys, this isn't from the NTSB site, which is more thorough, but apparently that site is down, so I got this from the FAA. Just not that it's very preliminary....

************************************************** ******************************
** Report created 10/2/2003 Record 2 **
************************************************** ******************************

IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 481CA Make/Model: PA32 Description: PA-32 Cherokee Six, Six, Saratoga, Turbo
Date: 10/01/2003 Time: 2240

Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Destroyed

LOCATION
City: NORCO State: CA Country: US

DESCRIPTION
ACFT DEPARTED CORONA CA (AJO) AND SOON AFTER DEPARTURE THE PILOT REPORTED A
FIRE AND REQUESTED TO LAND AT CHINO. HEADING AND DESCENT WERE PROVIDED TO
THE ACFT. THE LOCATION OF CNO ARPT WAS PROVIDED. NO FURTHER TRANSMISSIONS.
ACFT CRASHED IN A WASH IN NORCO, CA. 1338 CITRUS AVE. THE PILOT AND
PASSENGER BOTH SUSTAINED FATAL INJURIES AND THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED BY FIRE.
NORCO, CA

INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 2
# Crew: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

WEATHER: NOT REPORTED



OTHER DATA
Activity: Unknown Phase: Cruise Operation: General Aviation

Departed: CORONA, CA AJO Dep Date: Dep. Time:
Destination: OAKLAND, CA OAK Flt Plan: IFR Wx Briefing: Y
Last Radio Cont:
Last Clearance:

FAA FSDO: RIVERSIDE, CA (WP21) Entry date: 10/02/2003

Alright guys there's a couple interesting facts here...for one, he was flying a Saratoga, which is pretty high performance, so it can be a handful, especially if there's a fire. But more interesting, is that it was an IFR flight plan, so the claim about him being a new pilot is strange. He'd have to have been instrument rated, or flying with an instrument instructor for it to be an IFR flight. An instrument rating is a seperate rating that reuires extra training. 40 hours more, in fact. I don't even have my instrument yet, and I have over 200 hrs. total. Now I'm not pointing fingers here guys, just loking at the known facts....

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Old 10-03-2003, 11:15 AM   #9
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Thanks Habu.

Chris did mention that Paul could practically fly with windows blacked-out due to the fact he can fly by the instruments. I mentioned "relatively new" due to Chris saying that he had just over 200 hrs. Also, after that flight they took to New Orleans, Paul tells them: "hey fellas, I almost killed us today." He took risks that he really shouldn't have that night.

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Old 10-03-2003, 12:07 PM   #10
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'Relatively new' is a relative term. I get so tired of the twisting of words when speaking about aviation by people that don't know dick about it. And I'm not directing that to you in particular Jason, just to the general public. To a pilot 'reltively new' or 'new' means the person is a n00b pilot that just got his Private and has well under 100 hours. I myself have just over 200 hrs. and I've been flying for five years. I don't consider myself a relatively new pilot at all. It also depends on the kind of experience you have. Hours alone aren't an indicator of a pilot's ability. I know of pilots with thousands of hours that are lousy sticks, while I also know newly certificated pilots that are very good sticks. Paul was certainly not a new pilot if he had over 200 hrs. He may have been a new instrument-rated pilot, but like I said before, the instrument rating comes after the private and is tacked on to your existing license. However, it's long been a requirement for even private pilots to receive 3 hrs. of basic instrument training, so that they can fly in IMC (instrument meteorlogical conditions), i.e. in a cloud. And make no mistake about it, flying in a cloud, looking outside is useless, so yes the windows might as well be blacked out. But that's no miracle, or cliche', flying on instruments is just an advanced pilot skill. Those "I almost killed us" comments are usually just a pilot's way of saying they could've done something better, so I'd take it with a grain of salt. However, we'll see how the investigation pans out.

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