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Old 09-27-2000, 04:33 PM   #1
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I think it's funny to see how everyone crows about how unreliable aftermarket turbos are while pushing the factory turbo. Uh, the factory turbos have problems too - you say it's going to be 100% reliable - check out some of the UK boards, where guys are having problems with piston slap, bearings, and the like. Plus, you're buying the first year - oh yeah, and it's a 2 litre.

As to the looks, that's personal - some like it, some don't.

I don't know about you, but I paid a little under 19k for my MY00, and if the price projections are correct at around 27k for the MY02, after the Vishnu turbo is installed in my car, I'll have spent the same amount.. And I'll have a car that will easily leave the MY02 in the dust.

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Old 09-27-2000, 05:11 PM   #2
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is that turbo kit 50 state legal? Are any yet?

How about rods blowing out the side of a MY02,and having a truck tow it to Subie,and have them fix it free of charge?

How about not having to tune a My02 to get over 200hp?

How about if you get too happy with the timing on your aftermarket kit,and make an ashtray/paperweight out of a piston with an aftermarket kit.

The 2.0's displacement seems to be plenty enough to make 300+HP overseas.........

On the other hand:

How about a used Imp' 2.5 for ~ 15k,and go nutty with it,without fear for Warranty violations?

How about being in sleeper mode with your 165hp stock NA Imp',until the Type R sees tailights,and hears 10PSI dump out the wastegate between shifts?

And being lighter?

And not worrying about the resale value as much as if you modded an 02' model

It goes both ways.
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Old 09-27-2000, 08:42 PM   #3
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yo guys are right i thought bout it and i will just mod this one with a turbo and then smokes all those cross eyed nerd looking ,my02 subies!!!
thanx for takin me back for a moment i thought i was gonna forever....
wheew!!!

my00 2.5rs forever!!!
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Old 09-28-2000, 12:15 AM   #4
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Exclamation My02 Wrx is calling my name/ factory turbo/warrantied/relialbe turbo!

the truth is that i like the back of the new wrx better than the old one..i think that the my00 looked to round in the back..
i also like the m02 fenderflares and the interior kix ass as well... but that factory turbo seems to just be calling my name everyday...
and if i can trade my my00 impreza in and get the new my02 for a good price i will defintely be happy..
i mean the truth is we all want turbo so for the money we will pay to get one put it that isnt 100 reliable we can have one that is factory and under warranty ....
who agrees with me!!
i cant wait to see the pricing on it...i hear $24k ill will be happy with that definetly..
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Old 09-28-2000, 12:53 AM   #5
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Basil,
I live in Israel and own a MY95 Impreza GT (Turbo)with 90k miles on it since new, and other than a A/C comppresor, I had no problems.
We here in Israel about 300 GTs and they are dead reliable,
problems appear when you modify them to extreme, these are the problems you read about in England, either that or the STI model which is grey imported to the U.K and is not ready for 97 RON fule but rather to the 100 octan used in Japan, this why people wasted pistons, it's fixed in the STI 5&6 and it's all about the computer reset.
the Impreza GT is 50% of Impreza sales in the U.K and the Impreza won the last two J.D.Power in England, make the math.
Its dead reliable!
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Old 09-28-2000, 06:06 AM   #6
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Oh, I realize that there are many people who haven't had problems - but there's no 100% reliable engine system out there.. I'm not trying to slam the 2.0 litre - hell, if we got it in this country with the non-MY02 body style, I'd have one. It's just that I think aftermarket turbos are getting an undeservedly bad rap, while many people have a rose tinted glasses around the factory models.

I also think I'd have a lot more reservations modding a 2.0 litre, warranty wise.. There's a lot more expensive bits on the factory turbo, and changes will screw up the warranty.. If I bump the boost up on a factory machine and it blows, it's still my problem (if the dealer can figure that out..).. I think for daily driving and for people who are happy with ~215 hp, it's a great setup. I want more control - I like the idea of being able to download a complete engine management map for 5 lbs when I'm in town, and then download another at 10 lbs for the track. And I also want more power. And since I've seen the new body style, there's no contest for me - I'm keeping my MY00..

Socal - I agree with a lot of your points on both sides.. It would be nice to have a warranty, no question. And as to the 2.0 litres making 300+ hp, check what kind of gas they're running on. Remember we're limited to 93 or 94 octane in this country - several steps below Europe and Japan. The same STI 5 engine that puts out 300 hp in Japan is gonna have an ECU that's dialing itself back for our lower octane gas. It's a trade off, I guess.. Oh yeah, it would be great if it was 50 state legal - I'm just hoping it'll all be legal in MD or PA. hehe..

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Old 09-28-2000, 06:59 AM   #7
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While I am by no means an expert on the subject, when comparing gas octane ratings, please keep in mind that the rating systems used by Europe, Japan, etc, are not the same as ours. In the USA, the CLC system is used, which is RON+MON/2. Typically, there is a difference of maybe 3 to 5 points between the RON (Research Octane Number) and the MON (Motor Octane Number). Our octane rating is thus the average of these 2, whereas in Europe, they typically only use the higher of the 2 as the rating at the pump. (Our 93 might be equivalent to what they call 98 for instance.) Thus, the typically high octane ratings. In reality, the fuel isnt all that different.

The next time you are at a pump in the USA, read the fine print below the octane number! Most will give the RON+MON/2 explantion!

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Old 09-28-2000, 09:49 AM   #8
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Correct me if I am wrong, but the primary difference in the gas is the sulfur content. Our catalytic convertors are built to withstand the higher amount of sulfur allowed in US gas.

Euro and Japanese engines are built to a different sulfur specification, won't last as long on US gas, and will fail emissions.

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Old 09-28-2000, 01:39 PM   #9
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If you think your car will run fine without any power loss or pinging on the US fuel then go for it. I made a mistake of using the US gas that a friend gets on a military base here in Japan. It was a waste of time. I ended up having to add octane booster and turn down the boost until the damn fuel was used up. That was the 92 octane. I also got a check engine light from it. So yes its either the sulfer or the octane number itself. You will also be suprised what a dealer will go to to make sure you don't up the boost in a factory turbo. Don't think getting one past them will get any easier.
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