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Old 10-07-2003, 11:49 PM   #1
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Default Adjustable vs NONE-Adjustable sway bar

since i'm on the market for suspention parts, which one would be an ideal type for regular driving and some spirited driving on local twisties . Any suggestions?

BTW, i talking about the 18-22mm whiteline swaybars.
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Old 10-08-2003, 12:36 AM   #2
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I would say you might as well go for the adjustable. If there's any difference in cost it has to be pretty small, and if you decide to change your combo later you'll already be equipped to do so.

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Old 10-08-2003, 01:00 AM   #3
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agreed. I think 18mm is generally a good setting for the BD, 20mm for the BG. Having said that, I would like to go bigger for autox if I could. But I uprated our Outback to a 18-22 first. Then when I bought the GT, I simply slapped the OEM 18mm bar from the OB onto the GT. Free part really, so I can't complain, and I have never felt I didn't have enough bar back there. If I went bigger in the front I would feel differently.
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Old 10-08-2003, 11:15 AM   #4
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would the fronts be something i should be looking into as well? haven't really heard anything about the front sway as to how well the handling gets.

as for the prices its $103.00 (classified) for the 18mm non-adj. and $165 for the adj. from PDM.

BTW, would the RS rear top hats or a rear sway bar fir into a BD?

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Old 10-08-2003, 02:25 PM   #5
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You can get the adjustable cheaper, and if you're getting an 18mm, you might as well just get an 18mm Outback bar for cheap. Just my opinion.

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Old 10-08-2003, 08:40 PM   #6
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would the fronts be something i should be looking into as well? haven't really heard anything about the front sway as to how well the handling gets.

as for the prices its $103.00 (classified) for the 18mm non-adj. and $165 for the adj. from PDM.

BTW, would the RS rear top hats or a rear sway bar fir into a BD?
Start with the back. Don't worry about the front until you have done a lot of other mods.

Yes, upgrading either (front or back) will increase roll stiffness, but there is something else going on too. The reason people do the back is not just stiffness, but it also reduces the car's tendance to understeer. It creates neutral or oversteer instead, which is more fun and better suited to performance driving - even if it is more dangerous in an emergency.

If you upgrade the front, on the other hand, it makes the car understeer - which sucks. So, you don't get as many benefits when you upgrade the front, and it only makes sense if you have already upgraded the rear SIGNIFICANTLY (in order to out-do the upgraded front and maintain oversteer).
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Old 10-09-2003, 03:43 PM   #7
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BTW, would the RS rear top hats or a rear sway bar fir into a BD?
Nope the rs rear top hats and swaybars are incompatible with the BD/Gs.

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Old 10-09-2003, 03:49 PM   #8
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You can get the adjustable cheaper, and if you're getting an 18mm, you might as well just get an 18mm Outback bar for cheap. Just my opinion.

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Where can you get it cheaper if I might ask?

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Old 10-09-2003, 06:20 PM   #9
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Well, it depends on if VOLTIS5 was including shipping or not.

125.95 At AllSubaru:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...egacy+sway+bar

(that's on clearance)

Westminster Speed also has it for ~$150 without shipping.
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Old 10-09-2003, 11:12 PM   #10
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Wink Thanks guys

subysouth - ahh crap, thanks for the heads up though.


ws6fiero - SHAWEET, thanks for the linky save me some $$$ while i'm at it

for eveyone else THANKS for the input and suggestions. couldn't have found a better group of LegOver brothers to help me out
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Old 10-10-2003, 05:18 AM   #11
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If you upgrade the front, on the other hand, it makes the car understeer - which sucks. So, you don't get as many benefits when you upgrade the front, and it only makes sense if you have already upgraded the rear SIGNIFICANTLY (in order to out-do the upgraded front and maintain oversteer).
First, the only larger front swaybar option I know of is Whiteline's 20mm bar. The bushings it comes with are not the correct bushings for our cars - they must have different swaybar mounts in Australia. I recently installed my 20mm bar using Energy Suspension WRX stock replacement poly bushings - worked like a charm.

I know the general consensus is that a larger front bar will lead to more understeer, but based on my personal observations thus far that isn't the case. Turn in is a bit sharper, and the car doens't roll quite as much, but I really haven't noticed any adverse effect on the car's balance. Witht that said, I haven't auto-x'd the car since I added the front bar, so that will be the true test. My intention is to jack my rear adjustable bar up to the firmest setting when I install my Koni inserts and Ground Control coil-overs, and I figured it was worth doing the front bar since I'm doing all that stuff too.

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Old 10-10-2003, 11:37 AM   #12
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Nope the rs rear top hats are incompatible with the BD/Gs.

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I was under the impression they were, or was it GC8 fronts/wrx rears(STI top hats that is?)

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Old 10-10-2003, 12:14 PM   #13
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I was under the impression they were, or was it GC8 fronts/wrx rears(STI top hats that is?)

//M
The fronts(topmount bolt-pattern wise) have pretty much been the same on most of the subies since 1990. The rear bolt patterns are different. The BD/BGs share the rear topmount bolt pattern with the GD/GGs. The GCs have a different rear topmount bolt pattern.

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Old 10-10-2003, 12:18 PM   #14
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Well, it depends on if VOLTIS5 was including shipping or not.

125.95 At AllSubaru:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...egacy+sway+bar

(that's on clearance)
Thanks for the link ws6, I picked up an udjustable wl rear bar this AM. I am gonna try to do some work on the Legacy/STi suspension Ver2 this weekend. If that works out, the swaybar will be icing on the cake.

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Old 10-10-2003, 01:23 PM   #15
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The fronts(topmount bolt-pattern wise) have pretty much been the same on most of the subies since 1990. The rear bolt patterns are different. The BD/BGs share the rear topmount bolt pattern with the GD/GGs. The GCs have a different rear topmount bolt pattern.

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So if one were to order STI topmounts they should get GC fronts and GDA rears right?

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Old 10-10-2003, 01:33 PM   #16
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Thanks for the link ws6, I picked up an udjustable wl rear bar this AM. I am gonna try to do some work on the Legacy/STi suspension Ver2 this weekend. If that works out, the swaybar will be icing on the cake.

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YOU BASTAGE!!! So your the one that took the last rearsway I HATE YOU!!!























































j/k i actually called in for the adj. just as Jamie was opening up For $125 its a STEAL
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Old 10-10-2003, 01:35 PM   #17
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So if one were to order STI topmounts they should get GC fronts and GDA rears right?

//M
YES... that is what you should get, correct.
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Old 10-10-2003, 01:45 PM   #18
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YOU BASTAGE!!! So your the one that took the last rearsway I HATE YOU!!!


j/k i actually called in for the adj. just as Jamie was opening up For $125 its a STEAL
HEHE.

Ahhh, so you were the one who she was holding the other bar for. Cool, cant wait to get it, I would say the race is on to see who can get it installed first.



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Old 10-10-2003, 01:49 PM   #19
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So if one were to order STI topmounts they should get GC fronts and GDA rears right?

//M
Or you could just get the GDA front and rears for simplicity. The Version8 STi suspension I bought was a complete bolt-up in my BG.

AFAIK, the GC/GFs, GD/GGs, BC/BFs, BD/BGs and BE/BHs all use the same front topmounts.

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edit: Forgot a big caveat!!!! The new Version8 GDs use a different rear topmount from the Ver7s. Be sure to specify the Version7 type GD rear topmounts. The Ver8s bolted right up in my car as a complete assembly(meaning the top bolt pattern is the same) but the newer Ver8 rear topmounts are incompatible with our stock rear springs.
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Old 10-11-2003, 12:03 PM   #20
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HEHE.

Ahhh, so you were the one who she was holding the other bar for. Cool, cant wait to get it, I would say the race is on to see who can get it installed first.



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well, i still got my my strut and springs to install but i'm sure i'll get the sways first. Your on PAL
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Old 10-11-2003, 12:39 PM   #21
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Funny.... the reason I didn't post the link at first was becasue I was thinking of buying one myself. I assume Jaime doesn't have any more, right?
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well, i still got my my strut and springs to install but i'm sure i'll get the sways first. Your on PAL
You are a little closer than me, I got an estimated delivery date of next friday. I also am gonna have to paint that bar. Its nothing personal to WL, but I cant get past that baby blue paint. Its gonna be black or red before it goes on.

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Funny.... the reason I didn't post the link at first was becasue I was thinking of buying one myself. I assume Jaime doesn't have any more, right?
Sorry ws6 I thought you were set, she said I got the last one. Dont know if she can repeat but she does go above and beyond for NASIOC members at times.

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Old 10-11-2003, 03:49 PM   #24
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Unhappy sorry ws6

DAMN, now i'm feeling bad . didn't know that you were in need of one. sorry to rob you off of this one
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Old 10-11-2003, 05:55 PM   #25
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Nooo, don't feel bad... I was just curious. Glad you guys were able to get them at that awesome price

I was considering getting one, but I have better things to be spending money on anyway.
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