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Old 10-18-2003, 08:04 PM   #1
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So, has anyone yet taken the plunge on the KYB GR2's, for the OB? If so, how were the handling gains? Better than stock?

Also, where did you get them? Tirerack still has only the rear's listed, and I haven't had a chance to call them. Anyone find a cheaper price than Tirerack's $58 apiece?

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Old 10-20-2003, 12:37 PM   #2
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Can't help, Gavin, but I am also looking for any new info on the GR2s specifically for the 96-99 Outback. I am getting close to needing tires, and will then need to decide whether to go with a stock size +1 or something closer to 205/55-16 and regular Legacy struts for the drop. I could go either way at this point, but I am at 60K miles now and want to put on a quality performance gas strut when the time comes, not OEM replacements...

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Old 10-21-2003, 06:34 PM   #3
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Response from www.shox.com:

These are them. We've been selling these since March.
I don't have any dimension differences but the book says,
Suburu Legacy Outback
" Sport Utility Wagon"


At 01:40 PM 10/21/03, you wrote:

Hi there.

I know that KYB is coming out with GR2 replacement
struts for the Outbacks, but I don't know if they are
really available yet. The Outback uses a
longer/taller strut than a same year Legacy. Anyway,
I was wondering if the "005. KYB Shocks" for $269 are
them and if they are actually available now.

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Old 10-21-2003, 06:37 PM   #4
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Is that price for struts, only? I paid 272, shipped, from tirerack.

58 ea for rears
66 ea for fronts
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Old 10-22-2003, 11:31 PM   #5
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I used KYB GR2's on my '99 Outback. They were the ones designed for the legacy GT and the handling improved greatly. Ride height dropped very slightly as the spring perch on the GR2's I got is slightly lower than on my old Outback struts.
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Old 10-23-2003, 09:50 AM   #6
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I used KYB GR2's on my '99 Outback. They were the ones designed for the legacy GT and the handling improved greatly. Ride height dropped very slightly as the spring perch on the GR2's I got is slightly lower than on my old Outback struts.
Any clearance problems or did you change tire size as well?
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Old 10-23-2003, 11:07 AM   #7
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I think there may have been clearence problems with the OEM 70 series Outback tires. I'm not sure though because at the same time as I changed the struts I switched to 205/55/16's which have a smaller diameter than the Outback wheels and tires.
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Old 10-24-2003, 12:07 PM   #8
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The reason I asked was that I am stuck with the 70 series 15 inchers (brand new Bridgestone all seasons and Yoko Guardex on steelies for winter). I will probably need to replace the shocks soon and thought (after reading your e-mail) that I had found a possible performance solution for my high-riding Outback!

Oh well, if and when the shocks get replaced, I guess I'm stuck with a Subaru or KYB replacement shock . Anybody know of other manufacturers making a decent shock for the Outback?

Koni? Bilstein? (or am I just dreaming?)
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Old 10-31-2003, 03:22 PM   #9
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Noone else makes struts. It's OEM KYB, or aftermarket KYB GR2's for the OB. You *will* rub on the spring perch itself if you try to run GT-spec stuff with the OB-size tires.

The OEM shocks aren't that horrible, the OB struts are made by KYB, and actually have bigger shafts than the aftermarket offerings, including AGX's.

My struts are actually still in good shape at 150k miles, which blows me away.....
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Old 10-31-2003, 04:01 PM   #10
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At 60k, my stock struts were a bit worn. They still dampened OK, but I had a slight wander that could be corrected by an alignment, with no caster adjustment. But, I also did some very heavy hauling, in the last year, so I definitely overworked them.

The GR2's are purported to be 30% stiffer than OEM, and they were definitely cheaper than OEM replacements. I'm quite happy with them, so far.
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Old 11-03-2003, 06:19 AM   #11
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The reason I asked was that I am stuck with the 70 series 15 inchers (brand new Bridgestone all seasons and Yoko Guardex on steelies for winter). ...
The budget did not allow gont to 16" 1500 miles ago. So I'm now trying Sumimoto Srixon, 215/65/15. So far, so good. Nice in the dry, and quite good in the wet. Previous were BS re930's, same size.
This size is a "plus zero" to the 205/70/15 OEM Michelins, which were wretched in any conditions.


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Koni? Bilstein? (or am I just dreaming?)
Well, you could cut open the OEM cartidge & insert a KONI...

I think I have a dead RR shock, but I think I'll wait a bit until there's at least one other option, hopefully adjustable.
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Old 11-10-2003, 03:14 PM   #12
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We have 25,000 miles on a set of GR-2's. The OEM shocks are also KYB.

The struts definitely are much stiffer than OEM, although I don't think that the difference is so great that the OEM springs are mismatched.

Setup:
'96 Outback 2.2 Manual trans
KYB GR2 struts
Michelin 215/65-15 tires
Rear Scorpion rally springs (Tall & stiff to handle trailer weight)

I can't tell you how the struts affected handling by themselves since I replaced the rear springs at the same time.

I will say that a suprise side effect of going with stiffer rear springs is that rotation is much easier to control while cornering. Throttle on=oversteer, throttle off=understeer, very controlled and non-threatening. Before it tended to plow more on throttle.
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Old 12-02-2003, 09:07 AM   #13
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KYB AGX?
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Old 12-02-2003, 10:28 AM   #14
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No AGX's available for stock OB, just GR2.
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Old 12-04-2003, 11:25 AM   #15
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I thought I'd seen folks using/listing the AGXs (adjustable right?) for the OBS. 1-4 on the front, 1-8 on the rear knob on the body of the strut? anyone?

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Old 12-04-2003, 05:56 PM   #16
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The original query was regarding the Legacy Outback. The only application-specific strut thus far is the GR-2. Using the standard Legacy application GR-2 or AGX requires the use of shorter tires to clear the lower spring perches.

The Impreza Outback Sport may very well be a different story.

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Old 03-11-2004, 12:47 PM   #17
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Ok, here's the deal....

I have 2 sets of wheels that both have the 205/70/15 OEM size (one dedicated snow tire and one summer tire). After 90k miles I think my '99 Legacy Outback could use new struts. So I am looking at the Outback specific GR2s so I don't run into clearance issues with the perches.

My question is... are there any springs that folks have used that give better control and lower the car maybe 1" or so? While I would love to slam the car 2" or 3", it is just not practical for me living in Lake Tahoe CA where we get storms of 2-3' of snow at a time. Obviously, I would still like to clear my OEM sized wheels.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated since it looks like there has been a fair amount of collective tweaking by some of the folks on this site.

Thanks...
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Old 03-28-2004, 10:20 AM   #18
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get ground control sleeve overs. for only about $100 over the cost of springs they will let you fine tune spring rates and your ride height as much as you want.
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Old 03-30-2004, 01:04 AM   #19
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get ground control sleeve overs. for only about $100 over the cost of springs they will let you fine tune spring rates and your ride height as much as you want.
Can you point me to more information on the GC Sleeve Overs? I went to their site and couldn't find any information... especially for the '99 Legacy Outback. Which ones did you use?
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Old 03-30-2004, 01:51 PM   #20
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I've got an apointment to get some gr2s installed tomorrow. I'll happily extend my opinions once I get a chance to feel them out, though I'm sure that my experience will be different from most, as I've got 2" scorpion lift springs...
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Old 03-30-2004, 04:03 PM   #21
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You can call Ground Control at 530.677.8600. They have a website too but it lists about 1% of what they actually have. You might ask for Tony when you call as he's the Subaru guy. I don't believe they list apps for Legacies but anything from the 93-01 Impreza should fit.
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mmm... stiffer shocks... me gusta! So I've got the GR2's on, and I'm very pleased, I can feel the road a bit better than I was expecting, as I've got the afforementioned scorpion springs, and I figured they'd make more difference than the struts, but the combination of stiff springs and my freshly installed stiffer struts makes me very happy.
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Sorry to hijack, but if anyone has their old stock suspension that they'd like to get rid of, I want it for my Brighton. Prefer lower miles (obviously), and almost need the entire thing including top hats. I'm researching right now what pieces are upgrades, and what really are the same. For now, I want it all.

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Old 09-19-2006, 07:09 AM   #24
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We have 25,000 miles on a set of GR-2's. The OEM shocks are also KYB.

The struts definitely are much stiffer than OEM, although I don't think that the difference is so great that the OEM springs are mismatched.

Setup:
'96 Outback 2.2 Manual trans
KYB GR2 struts
Michelin 215/65-15 tires
Rear Scorpion rally springs (Tall & stiff to handle trailer weight)

I can't tell you how the struts affected handling by themselves since I replaced the rear springs at the same time.

I will say that a suprise side effect of going with stiffer rear springs is that rotation is much easier to control while cornering. Throttle on=oversteer, throttle off=understeer, very controlled and non-threatening. Before it tended to plow more on throttle.
This is what I've been looking for. I have a 97 OBW we use to pull a pop-up camper and I'd like to find something along the lines of a variable load spring. So far most of what I have found is lowering stuff, any suggestions would be welcomed. Thanks, Tim
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Old 09-19-2006, 11:24 AM   #25
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The Scorpion rally springs should solve your rear end sag problem. I think they result in about 1" more ride height unladen. They're a bit stiffer but not bad- and you'll never bottom out!
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