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Old 06-20-2000, 05:12 PM   #1
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Thumbs down Subaru won't cover warranty work with N1 on the car


I took my car to Valley Dodge and Subaru in Van Nuys California (SoCal) yesterday.
Engine is using ALOT of oil!

I had it at Culver City Subaru for 3.5 weeks. They changed the left head.
I was told there is no problem now.
Its still using oil, 5qts in 1300 miles.

I called to check on my car today and they told me that SOA would not do any warranty work on the car as long as I have my Apexi N1 exhaust on the car.

They said with the bigger exhaust tubing(2.250) and freer flowing muffler that it causes valve problems and PCV problems.

Does this sound right or are they full of ***** !!!

Let me know what you think.


thanks,
RallyeX


(Edit)Car only smokes alittle bit sometimes when you start it. The plugs look ok (light choc brown). No sign of oil any place on engine or under car. Alot of oil film on back bumper and boot lid. Exhaust tip in side is jet black and thick.
I put the N1 on June 1,2000 after I picked it up from Culver City thinking they fixed the oil problem. The car has 28,000 miles,its a 1999 2.5rs.

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Old 06-20-2000, 05:19 PM   #2
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I think they are full of @#*%.
If your car is losing 5 gts in 1300 miles, I would think it is bellowing blue somke from out the tail pipe, and the spark plugs are fouled out (only if the oil is getting into the cylinders). But, I think it must be. Call a Subaru rep and freak out. If that oil is in the intake because of an aftermarket exhast screwing up the pcv system, I would think it is pouring all over everything.
It must be burning it.. Pull a plug out and do a compression check. They are full of it.

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Old 06-20-2000, 05:21 PM   #3
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Where's Sev with his BULLS### FLAG when we need it!!
that is a bunch of it!! try and call tor timmons subaru. they should be able to help
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Old 06-20-2000, 07:39 PM   #4
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They can't take that position legally, even. Just go to another dealership. Try them all until you find a "mod-friendly" one. Timmons would probably be good, but they're really far from you. Maybe Coastline in Santa Monica? They've been nice to me so far.
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Old 06-20-2000, 07:44 PM   #5
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I read your update. I really think the dealer is full of bs. The oil is burning, and some unburned oil/residue is coming out the exhaust. Soon, you O2 sensors will be shot, and you'll get a check engine light, and the car wont run. So try not to drive it too much, and if it ends up being replace, make sure they check all sensors that could be damaged from this.
On older V8 engines, they have a seal called Valve Stem Seals. It prevents the oil on top of the motor from leaking into the cylinders while the engine is not running, and when running really. So, a commom symptom of them being bad is blue smoke from the tailpipe at first start up, when the engine has not run for a while. I do not know how the Subaru Engine is set up internally, but it seems to me that this could be your type of problem, oil leaking into the cylinders. The plugs would not go bad very quick, because it burns at the initial startup, and then may consume less while it runs. (Your piston rings may not have seated correctly during breakin, causing oil to pass them and burn too (this is called excessive blowby), you need a compression check!)Check you engine oil (what you have left), and see if it smells funny, like gas, or just looks strange.
I would take the car somewhere else, and be calling a subaru rep, asking for his name, and his boss, and causing some comotion. Be sure to mention the crappy dealer.

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Old 06-20-2000, 08:27 PM   #6
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I hate to say this but I bet it reminds you of your Volvo and all the probs you had after they replaced the engine and forgot to replace all the sensors.
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Old 06-20-2000, 08:40 PM   #7
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See if this web site can give you good advice:
http://www.sema.org/consumer/warranty/

This is BS...

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Old 06-20-2000, 09:01 PM   #8
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I'm willing to bet that your o2 sensor is already shot. How bad is your MPG now ! Your exhust system should not impact the mechanical soundness of the engine.
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Old 06-20-2000, 11:31 PM   #9
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Sevvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvs HERE!!!

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Old 06-20-2000, 11:33 PM   #10
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hahahahahha just venting some laughing.. wahahah
kartboy rules
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Old 06-21-2000, 02:39 AM   #11
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You US guys (and gals) have got it so easy when it comes to legal issues and warranty work..

Is the consumer always right ? And where you are told you arent, you just sue them anyway ? lol

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Old 06-21-2000, 03:54 AM   #12
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Yeah, but you get turbos and amazing aftermarket products, so I don't want to hear any complaints!

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Old 06-21-2000, 04:09 AM   #13
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I doubt you are wanting to drive this far... BUT Roseville Subaru, just north of Sacramento, is a very Mod friendly dealer... One of their Lead Parts guys has a very heavily mod'd MY00 RS... He is running the N1 (I think, I was only told the Apexi, not specifically the N1...) and they installed it!!! Anyway he also works for MotorSport Dynamics ( motdyn.com ) one of the larger Import aimed shops in town...

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Old 06-21-2000, 04:37 AM   #14
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Didn't you say that this car was having the same problem before you put the exhaust on?

If this was the case how can they deny the claim?
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Old 06-21-2000, 06:00 AM   #15
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I see the same problem but to a lesser extent. I have the N1 and see a lot of soot on the bumper and consume more oil than seems right.

I believe the problem lies in the intake. The poor Subaru oil pan is well known to slosh oil around under hard driving (all the time for me) and the crank case breathers pick this up and put it into your intake. I think the N1 exhaust contributes to the problem of sooting up the bumper since the exit velocity is lower and the constant burping, farting, belching it does. My guess is that all these pops from the exhaust dislodge the soot build up in the exhaust and deposit them on the rear of the car due to the lower exit velocity and it's location. I have recently installed the Rallispec intake w/ the oil catch can and have noticed a reduction in the soot deposit on the rear of the car. I haven't had it long enough to tell for sure since there is still a lot of crap in the exhaust from before and still soots a bit. I'm pretty sure the N1 isn't to blame for the oil consumption since it consumed as much before I had the exhaust system. I sometimes can eat a half quart in one day of autocrossing. And no, my oil doesn't smell funny, nor do I notice any smoke from the tail pipe.

Well that's my theory on the oil consumption and sooty bumper. If anyone has some more insight, or totally disagrees with me, I'd very much like to hear it.

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Old 06-21-2000, 10:18 AM   #16
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I hate to say this because nobody is going to like it, but they're probably right. Simply put, the exhaust isn't properly tuned to the engine causing incorrect pressure in the cylinders. Thatís why you canít put on just any exhaust system.

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Old 06-21-2000, 10:36 AM   #17
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incorrect pressure? ANY aftermarket exhaust will be different from the stock, causing "incorrect pressure", including the one that Subaru ITSELF sells. Here's my understanding of the exhaust system.

The stock system is designed to be quiet, and give enough backpressure to keep fuel from escaping the combustion chamber in the low RPMs, but in the high RPMs the backpressure keeps the exhaust gasses from leaving.

The aftermarket systems are freeflowing enough to allow the fuel to escape, resulting in a little loss of low end power from running lean (I'd imagine considering air would naturally fill the void), BUT at higher RPMs the free flowingness allows for the exhaust gasses to escape, and make room for more air resulting in a cleaner more powerful burn.

I'm calling the flag on this dealer. Take it to another dealer, or complain to their bosses.
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Old 06-21-2000, 10:36 AM   #18
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That's bullcrap! A really inappropriate exhaust (which I don't think the N1 is) may cause some driveability problems or loss of performance but it CANNOT cause a car to use 5 quarts of oil per 1300 miles.

Something else is VERY wrong with that engine.
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Old 06-21-2000, 02:14 PM   #19
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Here's how I would handle that ****:

1. Go to a different dealer.
2. If they say the same thing or if SOA directly says the same thing than bring up the Magnusson-moss warranty act and then threaten small-claims court action.

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Old 06-22-2000, 05:34 PM   #20
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Thanks for all the info. I called SOA today
to see what is going on. I have to call back tommorow.

Thanks for all the info,
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