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Old 10-20-2003, 11:05 AM   #1
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I was wondering how much a 98 GT sedan, A/T w/ tranny cooler and running synthetic fluid, with 4 pot brakes in the front with the H6 rear brake upgrade would be able to tow?

The item in question would be a 2005 Lotus Elise, which is suppose to be around 1900 pounds.

The reason I am asking is in case I wanted to tow it to the track or if for some reason I needed to tow it to the dealer which the closest one is about 2.5 hours away.

thanx in advance,


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Old 10-20-2003, 11:20 AM   #2
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I believe the Legacy is rated for 2000 lbs. I also read somewhere that the cars are rated for more towing capacity in Europe or Japan. Dunno if it's true- I'll see if I can find it. Depending on how heavy your trailer is, you'll be well over the "limit". But with your setup, you could probably push that a touch, maybe add a couple hundred pounds.

I towed two things this past summer- one was a small Boston Whaler that probably weighed 600lbs boat / motor/ trailer. That wasn't a long trip, and it felt fine, aside from one unanticipated quick stop.

The second time, I was transporting a trailer only for a 21' ski boat- the trailer itself was about 25' long, single axle, with surge brakes. Probably right near 1,000 lbs. I drove that thing ~150 miles to Ct. That trip sucked. It didn't feel unsafe, but it was not fun at all. I would not want to drag around 2,000 lbs, though it's probably a whole lot better with an automatic.

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Old 10-20-2003, 11:24 AM   #3
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Brian,

I did do a search and I saw that you towed your boat. I was wondering how much it weighed. Did you notice your engine temps go above the norm any of the time you towed something?

I guess it would be good to get a tow hitch anyways, my house is expected to be finished this next spring/ summer and I know i will always need stuff from Home Depot of Lowes.

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Old 10-20-2003, 11:41 AM   #4
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My engine temps stayed fine during the long trip- it was almost all highway. If it were a lot of stop & go traffic, I would have been worried.

It just takes forever to get up to speed on the highway, after toll booths, etc. And trying to merge into traffic with 25' of crap behind the car is sketchy.

If I were to do any more substantial towing, I would install a gauge pack that included oil pressure, oil temperature, and another engine temp gauge, with real numbers on it. I've heard the factory gauge is not necessarily accurate.

I installed a class 2 hitch (300 lb tongue weight/ 3500 capacity) even though that's more than the car is rated for. I'd rather have a more substantial chunk of metal back there- one less thing to worry about. The install is super easy, but a second person helps a lot. Doing mine, alone, took about 1 hour, plus another 15 minutes to do the wiring.

The second time I did an install, on my sister's Outback, with help, it took only ~20 minutes to get the hitch bolted up.

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Edit: got my hitch from Draw-Tite
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Old 10-20-2003, 11:55 AM   #5
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do you have a auto or manual?


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Old 10-20-2003, 01:06 PM   #6
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I believe the Legacy is rated for 2000 lbs. I also read somewhere that the cars are rated for more towing capacity in Europe or Japan. Dunno if it's true- I'll see if I can find it. Depending on how heavy your trailer is, you'll be well over the "limit". But with your setup, you could probably push that a touch, maybe add a couple hundred pounds.

I towed two things this past summer- one was a small Boston Whaler that probably weighed 600lbs boat / motor/ trailer. That wasn't a long trip, and it felt fine, aside from one unanticipated quick stop.

The second time, I was transporting a trailer only for a 21' ski boat- the trailer itself was about 25' long, single axle, with surge brakes. Probably right near 1,000 lbs. I drove that thing ~150 miles to Ct. That trip sucked. It didn't feel unsafe, but it was not fun at all. I would not want to drag around 2,000 lbs, though it's probably a whole lot better with an automatic.

-Brian
Man, I'd be willing to bet that boat weighed at least twice that. My 20' Maxum I/O weighs 2500 dry, over 3000 loaded up with typical gear. THAT would really stress out a Legacy. It stresses out my Isuzu Trooper rated at 5500 lbs capacity.

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My car is a 5 speed. I think the auto tranny w/ cooler would be the preferable towing setup.

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Old 10-20-2003, 01:21 PM   #8
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My car is a 5 speed. I think the auto tranny w/ cooler would be the preferable towing setup.

-Brian
Actually I think the maunal tranny is better for towing as long as the clutch's holding capacity is not exceeded(which is hard to do.) The auto as you know is a fluid drive and the strain of pulling the load is constantly being transmitted into the torque converter along with the heat of gear and axle friction found in all trannies. The auto accumulates heat as its towing which needs to be dissipated. A tranny cooler is the solution.

That being said, it is easier to drive an auto for towing.

To address the main question of the thread, I would say you could swing it, as long as you got the tongue weight in the appropriate range. Thats gonna be your biggest prob.

I think you would be pushing it at that weight but I think its doable.

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Old 10-20-2003, 01:41 PM   #9
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well if it is going to be pushing it i probably wont want to do it because i dont want to have tranny problems down the road.

Subysouth - do you think an aftermarket torque converter would help or not? just wondering if that increases the ability to have more of a strain on the tranny.


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Old 10-20-2003, 02:25 PM   #10
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Man, I'd be willing to bet that boat weighed at least twice that. My 20' Maxum I/O weighs 2500 dry, over 3000 loaded up with typical gear. THAT would really stress out a Legacy. It stresses out my Isuzu Trooper rated at 5500 lbs capacity.

Jim
Um, Jim, please read my post more carefully- the second trip, I was transporting the trailer only.

The 21' Malibu Response Inboard that the trailer was going to pick up weighs ~2500 lbs. I'm not stupid enough to put 3500 lbs behind my Legacy

-Brian

Upon further thought, the 13' Boston Whaler is probably closer to 800 lbs fully loaded, inlcuding the trailer.

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Old 10-20-2003, 03:03 PM   #11
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Oh, oops, sorry.

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Old 10-20-2003, 03:25 PM   #12
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well if it is going to be pushing it i probably wont want to do it because i dont want to have tranny problems down the road.

Subysouth - do you think an aftermarket torque converter would help or not? just wondering if that increases the ability to have more of a strain on the tranny.


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You can definitely get higher performance torque converters for a lot of applications, but I dont think I has ever heard of one for the Subies. I imagine somewhere in the JDM you could source one. I personally would install the tranny cooler and maybe a temp gauge for the fluid before I would consider the expense of changing out the torque converter tho. I would imagine such an item would be $$$$.

I was thinking a little more on this tho and I wonder if as an option you could upgrade the tranny fluid. IIRC a guy I talked with once was telling me about using Redline fluid in his tranny/torque converter. Better fluid operating well to a higher temp = longer lifespan.

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