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Old 09-26-2000, 01:06 PM   #1
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GM is mainly using Subaru's AWD in SAABs I thought .....a AWD 9-5 viggen ....ohhh would be nice!
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Old 09-26-2000, 01:10 PM   #2
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The camaro is an automatic too, but half as many gears as yours. Doesn't have a violent shift kit because it doesn't shift by itself.

Traction problems can be contained by not using the gas pedal like an on/off switch.
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Old 09-26-2000, 01:20 PM   #3
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1. Sell the vette
2. Buy an Impreza of some sort
3. Buy an STi motor/tranny etc.
4. Install in Impreza

Simple, really. Just think... take an ej20, 2.2l stroker kit, bpm front mount IC, forged internals, aftermarket ecu, larger turbo. Can you say 9000+ rpm redline and ungodly amounts of power?

I thought you could!
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Old 09-26-2000, 01:49 PM   #4
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Good grief!
How does one obtain an STi engine/tranny?
How much does that add up to?

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Old 09-26-2000, 02:15 PM   #5
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Don't feel bad. Now Chrylser has the tech rights to the Mitsu AWD so maybe you'll see a couple AWD Neon's soon and maybe a AWD Stratus.
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Old 09-26-2000, 02:45 PM   #6
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Does your Vette have a turbo U4E-uh?
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Old 09-26-2000, 06:17 PM   #7
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An AWD 'vette! Now that's my dream car. Of course it'll never happen. Most 'vette guys aren't as enlightened as you to the beauty of all wheel drive. It'd never sell.

Oh, wait a minute... An AWD 'vette has already been built. I think they call it a Diablo though.

FWIW, for the cost of a 'vette you could put 300+ reliable HP and a stronger transmission into a 2.5 RS and have a real beast. Spend some time searching the technical and Vishnu forums on this board. There's been a lot of talk about it here. There's also been at least one other discussion on 'vette vs. Impreza.

Since I own an RS and have recently driven a 'vette on a small autocross-like course I know your pain. I'd love to have a 350 HP torque monster with AWD.

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Old 09-27-2000, 12:06 AM   #8
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Exclamation GM snatching Subaru's AWD? AWD Vette?...

In the news a while ago, I heard that GM bought a huge amount of Subarus stock, like 20-30%, thereby acquiring partial rights to Subarus AWD technology. Does anyone have more information about this?

I keep seeing more and more press releases about AWD popping up in more conservative GM products like it's mini-vans and milder SUVs. Does this have anything to do with it?

It makes me wonder if we're going to see a Corvette with AWD in the not-so-distant future...

I'm very curious because I own a 450hp '95 Lingenfelter Vette and I've always been in love with the Impreza. I've also always been extremely disappointed with the weakness of the American versions.
I'm always getting smoked off the line in my vette because of severe traction problems despite 315/30/17-Z rated tires. It stifles my ego even though after a few hundred feet, I'm going over 100mph and my top speed is just under 200mph.

I want Subaru AWD and Vette Torque!!
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Old 09-27-2000, 12:15 AM   #9
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Well the problem with an AWD Vette is that you'd have to make the drivetrain VERY solid because you know people are going to soop (supe?) them up and put even more power to the wheels and blow up their drivelines.

I have to admit, it would be interesting, but I think the driveline would probably end up being comparable to one of GM's not-so-conservative AWD vehicles - the Typhoon.
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Old 09-27-2000, 12:22 AM   #10
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I know you may have thought about this but why don't you sell the vette (nice ride by the way) and buy an Impreza. With some mods the turbo should should be able to push out around 300 HP. I don't think you will worry about anyone from 'light-to-light' anymore.
I guess the only problem you have now is will the Impreza clutch and drivetrain take 300 HP??? Maybe the new WRX. Hmmmmmmm.

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How far is this off topic?????
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Old 09-27-2000, 12:24 AM   #11
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Actually I don't think GM has implemented any of subaru's AWD technology as of yet they have used the AWD System from the Mitsu. corp in a few areas (I think) but I don't think they would ever make an AWD vette that would kill most of the RWD guys.
Chris ( it would be awesome though)
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Old 09-27-2000, 12:24 AM   #12
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Look under your car sometime and you'll see why there is no AWD. If they did decide to put AWD in there, they would have to move the engine up higher to make room for the front diff and drivetrain. There would also be considerably more weight. They would also have to move the transssmission back up front. In other words, worse acceleration, worse aerodynamics, worse handling, worse weight distribution, the list goes on and on. Basicly, they'd have to scrap the entire Corvette concept altogether and make a different car. Low CG and good aerodynamics are two of the Vettes strongest points, it really wasn't designed to be a drag strip warrior. try some Nitto drag radials and you'll probably pick up some more traction.

There has been a great deal of AWD concept cars lately. It could have something to do GM's involvement with Subaru.
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Old 09-27-2000, 12:26 AM   #13
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I mean this in the best way, but the best form of traction control is under your right foot.

You should not be getting smoked if you have a 450HP C4. I can go out on any given weekend in a '69 Camaro with narrower tires (275/60-15 BFG Comp TA), *way* inferior suspension and still destroy most anything on 4 wheels.
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Old 09-27-2000, 12:28 AM   #14
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I dont think GM could sell enough AWD Vettes for it to be worth their while. It would be, what, 4000 lbs? Ok maybe more like 3600. Anyway, it would be heavier, more problematic, more expensive, and therefore less attractive to perspective Vette owners. (I think) Though I would never buy another GM, it would be tempting.
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Old 09-27-2000, 12:33 AM   #15
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This post from a few months ago has FHI's plan for the next 5 years. It says AWD Corvette for 2004 (j/k). http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/Forum1/HTML/010036.html
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Old 09-27-2000, 12:54 AM   #16
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As for traction, it's an automatic with a violent shift kit. Not much control there...

I have HORRIBLE debt due entirely to my 'vette. I've owned it for one year and I've tallied $16,000 in repair bills so far. I'm trying desperately to sell it. Just by virtue of the extreme mechanical aftermarket upgrades, it's extremely prone to breaking things. When I first bought it, I snapped titanium push-rods and valve springs like pretzels. I found out that I have to let the car warm up 15 minutes before ever putting it in gear, because the valve springs are so thick they get brittle when they're cold. !I frigging live in Florida! Now it just blows O2 sensors every 2 weeks.

Anyway, I really want an Impreza, but they're such "weak sauce" here in the US. I would have considered an aftermarket turbo, but I don't want to run into the same reliability problems I have with my vette.

Aleviate my heart-ache, Subaru! Give me a 22B!!
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Old 09-27-2000, 08:59 AM   #17
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My vette has the most horsepower I could suck from it WITHOUT putting in a turbo or supercharger. It has a passive LPE Accel ram air system. It's been bored out. It has aftermarket exhaust, valve springs, pushrods, injectors. I think it might have even had a aftermarket cam put in before I got it.
It's really scary to drive in the rain. One time, I put it in gear(it's automatic) in a wet parking lot, and it slid sideways before I even hit the gas. I didn't have the brake pedal pushed in far enough to compensate for the tremendous torque coming from the engine. When I want to stop fast at slow speeds, I have to put it neutral.
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Old 09-27-2000, 09:05 AM   #18
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Hehehe...
Yeah, to have a Diablo. sigh...

I think I'll spend a little time researching an engine upgrade for an RS.

I'm not familiar with the different engines. Where can I find a listing of the different designations of models?
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Old 09-27-2000, 09:35 AM   #19
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I see. I think an AWD Vette would go over good if they could mount the drivetrain so it didn't interfere with weight or engine height.
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Old 09-27-2000, 09:51 AM   #20
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You've spent $16k on repairs on the Vette..
Ouch, If you like the impreza, sell the vette get which ever body style you like Impreza, and spend the left over money from the vette on Turbo and Upgrades. If you had put $16k into a impreza it would walk all over your vette and could have good reliability Depending on the quality of your upgrades.
I like Vettes my family has had two of them and they are great cars. Depends on what you want.

I enjoy what my Impreza can do with only 165hp and I've been in the Sti's in Australia so I've seen what these cars are capable of. For what I like to do its the car for me.

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P.S. Someone was just selling three STi Engine and Trany combos out of Japan I think it was for like $6000 which included Engine, Trany, ECU and wiring harness and Rear end and axles.


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