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View Poll Results: which turbo to buy, if other indicate in post
IHI VF22 14 30.43%
IHI VF34 15 32.61%
IHI VF30 7 15.22%
other, list it below 10 21.74%
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Old 10-20-2003, 09:27 PM   #1
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Default help me decide the best turbo for about $700-1000 to get 300whp

i cant decide which one to buy. the vf 22 characteristics seem nice, but im concerned about reliability. i need a reliable hp. i dont care if its like 290 or whatever at the wheels...after its been tuned. im looking just for a mid 12 second setup on pump gas if thats possible. i really have been debating back and fourth which to get. i dont really want to wait a couple months for an 18G, i definately dont want an FP 18G because its only oil cooled and that doesnt sit well with me. i want something that is in stock or within the next week and i can purchase now. any suggestions as for turbos and vendors i'd appreciate. mike wrx took me in his vf 34'd car and its very nice. but i might want a little bit more high end. thats why i've always thought about a vf22. maybe i should get a vf22 drive it, wait until it blows out and than rebuild it with a ball bearing center. someone smack me and tell me whats up
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Old 10-20-2003, 09:31 PM   #2
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If you want 290-300 i would say vf22 for sure.. You can pick up one cheap and they really seem to do their job..
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Old 10-21-2003, 12:08 AM   #3
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Yeah, I agree. The first thing people will say is how much better the PE1818 or 1820s are or the 18g and 20G and how much more air they flow but as far as bang for the buck the VF22 really isn't as bad as the press seems to give it. I have one myself and it plants you in the seat all through the upper RPM band. I can't verify wheel HP but it's tough. No arguments here....
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Old 10-21-2003, 01:02 AM   #4
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Default what about vf22 reliability

how long have you had it for....any problems?
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Old 10-21-2003, 01:05 AM   #5
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I thought the 22 was ball bearing...
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Old 10-21-2003, 01:07 AM   #6
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I got it and installed it last March. I have had no problems at all. I have been running at the least 18psi since. Conservative to some but aggresive to others I guess.
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Old 10-21-2003, 01:10 AM   #7
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I thought the 22 was ball bearing...
I was under that impression. I know some of the latter VF series are not but the VF22 is supposed to be from what I understand.
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Old 10-21-2003, 01:10 AM   #8
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what kind of spool up time does it have (the vf 22) would it be good for autocross or would it be strictly for drag? (i would want a little of both and am torn between what i want out of my car).
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Old 10-21-2003, 01:14 AM   #9
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I don't know if it would be ideal for auto-x. (with lightened flywheel maybe, I don't know.) The lag isn't horrible but I don't really notice it full on until about 4000 rpms. Depends how well you can manipulate the clutch.
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Old 10-21-2003, 01:15 AM   #10
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Default i dont really mind about spool

i used to have a euro swapped m3... it had no real power until 3000 rpms and made sick power from 4000-7500rpms. so if the vf22 really can produce more than the others, i'd do it as long as its somewhat reliable
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Old 10-21-2003, 02:01 AM   #11
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Considering they are oil fed and water cooled I'd say they have some longevity. I push mine pretty hard. Only time will tell I guess. I haven't heard too many horror stories of this turbo breaking down yet.
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Old 10-21-2003, 04:25 AM   #12
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You can get new ones pretty inexpensively now... so even if it did only last like 40,000 miles it wouldn't be a huge huge deal. If I had one, I would expect it to last longer than a VF34 or equivalent... either way I would only be pushing 18 psi probably... and that's a lot easier for the 22 than a slightly smaller turbo so it would be living a more relaxed life ... or something .

From what I've heard... the 22 will give you 15ish psi at around 3000 and full boost at like 4000. So you'll actually get as much boost as a stock turbo's max by 3000... it just feels laggy because it's there on its way to something much higher. In reality, you've got what you had atleast as low as you had it... you just keep getting more after that [and I'm VERY tired, so I apologise if none of that makes sense]! If I upgrade my turbo, the 22 is on the top of my list at this time.

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Old 10-21-2003, 06:19 AM   #13
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I chose other. TD05-16g-7cm^2
The 22 is nice it is not as laggy as most people think. I put one in a car that is putting 309whp@21psi down on TXS's dyno. This person uses his car as a daily driver and for auto-X and loves it. The 34 has the best spool of any turbo upgrade that I have done on these cars. The 34 on this car put down 257whp@17psi on XX tuning's dyno. BTW XX's dyno reads ~20hp lowwer than TXS's.
For my own car I have the 16G the reason I went with this turbo, rebuildable and upgradable. Spool is between a 30 and a 22 but flows a little more than a 22 people in europe are getting ~325-350whp out of them. I have not had mine on a dyno yet I not finished building the car yet.
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Old 10-21-2003, 11:12 AM   #14
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Default how much is a 16g

where can you get it from, and is it available now?
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Old 10-21-2003, 12:25 PM   #15
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yea availability is a factor. I would recommend the FP18G but from what i hear the ones they made were just considered prototypes because of the amount of exhaust housings they had. So does anyone know when they will be producing and acually selling this turbo? I know i want either the 18g or 20g but want to know when i can acually buy it new from FP.
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Old 10-21-2003, 12:28 PM   #16
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It took me almost 1 year from deciding that I wanted a 16G to having it in the car. I bought one used from Ireland, machined the compressor cover myself and then had Deadbolt rebuild it. I think that Jerry(aka Deadbolt) is selling these now.
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Old 10-21-2003, 12:34 PM   #17
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Default 16g is something to look into

i am against using an FP oil cooled only turbo because of the following- its only oil cooled. thats fine on a DSM, but the wrx runs hotter than that. i need a car that is dependable, and a coked up turbo wouldnt help. i wouldnt expect an oil cooled only turbo to last on a wrx more than a year. im sure some have. but i am just being cautious here. does anyone know where i can get a 16G from that is oil and water cooled TODAY?
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Old 10-21-2003, 02:19 PM   #18
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Default Re: 16g is something to look into

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i am against using an FP oil cooled only turbo because of the following- its only oil cooled. thats fine on a DSM, but the wrx runs hotter than that.
Can you share your reasoning for this?
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Old 10-21-2003, 02:38 PM   #19
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Default i just take what i hear from people i know

scooby specialists who i buy my parts from. if they tell me its not the best idea and that i should get something oil and water cooled i'll trust what they have to say because they have made much more power than i have. i trust subaru's factory design. if i need something crazy i'd go xs engineering or something like that. which is still water cooled. ps. yes for you haters, if i wanted an oil cooled turbo he could get it for me no problem. so its not that he doesnt sell them
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Old 10-21-2003, 02:39 PM   #20
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Can you share your reasoning for this?
Please dont push people to spread misinformation
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Old 10-21-2003, 02:45 PM   #21
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A water \oil turbo is water cooled, and oil lubricated.

A oil only turbo is both lubricated and cooled by oil, and designed to specifically utilize oil for cooling via more passagways for oil flow etc. The only thing youd want to do is get a turbo timer, or sit in the car for a minute or two when you are done driving.

Either design is perfectly fine if taken care of properly.
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Old 10-21-2003, 02:57 PM   #22
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Default allllrighty than

as i figured im sure everyone will say otherwise or whatever. but either way i would like a 16g, or 18g, or a vf22 like today. anyone know of someone that has them in stock? i doubt it for the 16 and 18g's best price on a vf22 i can get is 715 shipped.
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Old 10-21-2003, 03:01 PM   #23
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You knew where I was going with that.
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Old 10-21-2003, 03:11 PM   #24
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Default im pretty set on getting a vf 22 and deadbolt monster port and polish

any last remarks or suggestions before i go ahead and order? i prob wont order until later or tomorrow

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Just remember to consider how much easier it is to get a 1Xg turbo rebuilt and/or upgraded.
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