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Old 10-25-2003, 01:17 PM   #1
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Question mixing Redline Water Wetter

anyone tried this?
how do i mix it??

im gonna use Valvoline Pyroil Anti freeze/coolant(any other recommendation?)
and then redline water wetter.

my cooling system need 7.7litres volume of coolant(MY02)
the coolant need to be dilute 10% by volume.
then the water wetter again,

anyone kind enough, to do the calculations for me?
(i can do it but, i tried searching on the web for the redline product, and they mention nothing about how to use it)

thanks...
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Old 10-25-2003, 11:54 PM   #2
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I'm not sure what you are trying to do (or ask), but why not just use Subaru coolant. It won't break the bank, and you won't have to worry about silicates or mixing different types of coolants.
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Old 10-26-2003, 01:06 AM   #3
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Does water wetter even do anything in a water/antifreeze mix? I thought it was mostly for track use where you had to run water only.
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Old 10-26-2003, 05:47 AM   #4
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I think your making it harder then it is. If I remember what the bottle said "Water Wetter" 1 ounce per quart so 8 ounces for a WRX.
I put in 8 ounces and then distilled water and went to the track and it works great.
So 8 ounces or the whole bottle would work. If your worried about freezing due to cold weather then forget it and use some prestone antifreeze.


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Old 10-26-2003, 06:34 PM   #5
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cky211: oh, thanks for that. so i put in 1 ounce per quart, but im not familiar wif the conversion, here we use litres n mililitres. how much is 1 ounce or 1 quart?
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Old 10-27-2003, 05:24 AM   #6
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Old 10-31-2003, 08:34 PM   #7
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If you can, return the Wetter. Redline Water wetter serves only one purpose: to add a lubricant to plain water.

Why was it really made? Because the thermal transfer properties of water are far superior to those of anti-freeze. So if you could, you would run straight water in your engine, instead of anti-freeze. The problem is that water becomes ionized, and ionized water will start to react with the metals it comes in contact with, like aluminum heads, and iron, and brass and so on, causing corrosion. The second issue is cars that live in sub-zero climates. Of course water freezes, and clogs the galleyways, and can lead to excessive pressure in the cooling system, blowing out hoses, and freeze plugs etc. Finally, the since water has to be pumped around the engine, the water pump shaft also needs some lubrication so that it does not wear out its seals pre-maturely.

So the best "coolant" you can run is water. The problem is that cooling is not the only issue. You need rust inhibitors, lubricant, and something to keep the water from freezing in sub-zero tempartures (hence anti-freeze). Wetter was actually developed to provide water with the additional properties of rust-inhibitors, and lubricant. Forget all the rest of the hype that Redline puts out about surface tension, etc.. In there on admision at http://www.redlineoil.com/redlineoil/wwti.htm the graphs halfway down the page show that adding wetter to a 50/50 mix of water and anti-freeze, or just water alone, only provide a 2-3 drop in temprature. The biggest differences are experienced switch from 100% anti-freeze, to 50%, and finally, 0% anti-freeze (only water).

So IMHO I would only use wetter when running straight water, and if I was not draining the cooling system after every race. For a street car, well never mind.
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Old 11-01-2003, 08:01 AM   #8
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ohh, humm.
im confused now.
and one wif final word?

i should juz use SUBARU COOLANT MIX(diluted with distilled water already)
without adding wetter to it. that's what im thinking now.
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Old 11-01-2003, 03:12 PM   #9
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Did you look at the graph on the redline site? The best coolant is plan water (actually distilled water). Next is the 50/50 mix. You profile doesn't say where you live. So the best cooling mix you can do is to have more water than anti-freeze. But the mixture is based upon the likelyhood of the water freezing overnight in the engine.

For example, in So. Cal., I live in Los Angeles, I would typically never have to worry about the temprature dropping below 32F. So I need absolutely no anti-freeze. I could run wetter with just water. If you live in a place where the overnight lows get down to say 20F, then you need enough anti-freeze to prevent the water from freezing, which maybe a 50/50 mix, or it could be a 70water/30anti-freeze mix. It depends on the make of anti-freeze.

Anti-freeze, also provides a higher boiling point for the water, but in today's engines, unless you are in the desert, the sealed systems will handle the boiling. Remember since pure water is able to take heat away from the engine better than anti-freeze, and is able to cool down faster in the radiator.
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Old 11-01-2003, 04:58 PM   #10
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Subayai WRX: ohh, ok. btw i live in asia, the temperature here never will reach below 32F(0C) our min temp is 25C and max 35C. yeah, i look at the graph, but taking in consideration, i always use my air-conditioning (90% of it)whenever im using my car. i quote "Even in summertime the use of air-conditioning can blow freezing air through the heater and cause freezing of the heater core unless approximately 20% antifreeze is used"

so base on a rough calculation of a 7.7litres cooling water sys of my wrx. dats about 1.5litres anti freeze/coolant, 6ounce wetter n the rest distill water. correct?
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Old 11-01-2003, 07:12 PM   #11
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That would be fine. In Asia, since freezing is never really an issue, the added benefit from anti-freeze, is really rust inhibitors, which are critical, since out engines have a high aluminum content. So the mix you talked about 6.2L Water + 1.5L Antifreeze + .24L Wetter seems fine. Since redline is recommending 1oz per quart (1/32), which comes out to .240L, for 7.7L of cooling fluid.

I would also think that you would be able to go with even less anti-freeze, since the Subaru air-conditioning is not as strong as American cars, and I would doubt that it could ever freeze over a heating core.
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Old 11-02-2003, 08:31 AM   #12
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Subayai WRX : THANKS for clearing dis issue.
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