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Old 10-28-2003, 09:39 AM   #1
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Default DaimlerChrysler test engineer kills 2 in Germany

I didn't see this posted yet. I'll past the story here because you have to log on to read it.

FRANKFURT, Germany- A DaimlerChrysler test engineer has been charged with killing a young mother and her 2-year-old daughter in a German highway crash he allegedly caused by high-speed tailgating, prosecutors said yesterday.

The case has made national headlines in Germany, where autobahn superhighways have no general speed limit and pushy drivers who flash their headlights to muscle slower cars to the right are a common sight.

The 34-year-old German man faces charges of manslaughter and endangering traffic as well as fleeing the scene of the July 14 accident, said Peter Zimmermann, a prosecutor in the southern city of Karlsruhe. Authorities did not identify the suspect, who prosecutors say denies the charges.

According to the indictment, he was barreling down the highway behind the wheel of a company-owned, 476-horsepower Mercedes Benz CL 600 coupe when he tried to overtake the woman on the far-left shoulder.

The 21-year-old woman lost control of her car after swerving sharply to the right to avoid the Mercedes, which prosecutors said approached at up to 155 mph to within a few yards of her bumper. She spun across two lanes and smashed into a bank of trees.

No speed limit was in force on the stretch of the A5 highway near Karlsruhe, where the crash happened at about 6 a.m.

The man denies having caused the accident, insisting that he was driving in the opposite direction at the time of the crash, Zimmermann said.

A spokeswoman for German-U.S. automaker DaimlerChrysler in Stuttgart confirmed charges had been brought against one of its test engineers who was driving a company car on company business at the time of the accident.

She denied, however, that he was test-driving the vehicle and underlined that the company demands its workers drive carefully.

"All employees are required to drive responsibly," Nicole Ladage said.

Colleagues of the driver told investigators the man acted strangely on the day of the crash and showed an unusual interest in media reports of details of the accident, Zimmermann said. Four other witnesses provided evidence and a partial description of the license plate.

Police set up a special task force after the crash, checking more than 700 Mercedes cars that appeared to match witness descriptions.
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Old 10-28-2003, 09:46 AM   #2
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That man needs a skape goat. And every company has one.

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Old 10-28-2003, 09:49 AM   #3
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what newspaper was this? you can tell the bias they have just with the first few sentences

sucks though- maybe she should've changed lanes smoothly

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Old 10-28-2003, 09:58 AM   #4
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...where autobahn superhighways have no general speed limit and pushy drivers who flash their headlights to muscle slower cars to the right are a common sight.
gee, no bias here...this article must have been written by someone who lives in orlando.

"why is that jerk flashing his brights at me? i'm going 66 in a 65 zone! i'm going over the speed limit! i have a god-given right to be in the left lane!"

i swear, 95% of traffic problems wouldn't exist if people heeded the "yield to faster traffic" rule that's actually a law in many states.
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Old 10-28-2003, 09:58 AM   #5
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I found it in The Worcester Telegram & Gazette but it was from "THE ASSOCIATED PRESS"
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Old 10-28-2003, 10:01 AM   #6
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where autobahn superhighways have no general speed limit and pushy drivers who flash their headlights to muscle slower cars to the right are a common sight.



attention moron US journalist: it is the law in most European countries that the left lane is for passing only, and you MUST move to the right if overtaken by a faster car, speed limit or not.
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Old 10-28-2003, 10:02 AM   #7
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I have really mixed feelings about this. Yeah it sounds like the guy was being a jerk. I find it hard to attribute responsibility for causing the crash to him without having seen what happened. If you're driving that fast you don't go around on the shoulder unless you know that you can make it. If there is no damage to the Merc, then he's charged with manslaughter because some other driver overreacted to the situation.

So being an arse, he scared the poo outta some poor lady, she reacted poorly and the result is tragic.

There's also something to be said for observing proper lane discipline. This is of paramount importance when you are on a road whose speed is not regulated. If you are in the leftmost (assuming right side of the road standards) lane then you had better be passing and watching your rear for faster drivers. It is rude and dangerous not to. The "fast" lane is poorly named. People don't want to be considered slow so they park it in the "fast" lane. I propose that we change the name to the "passing" lane. This should remove any stigma of traveling in the right lane.

I understand the desire to prosecute this man, after all its a tragic thing that happened, and we like to have someone other than the victim to blame. That is an emotional argument and hopefully the courts will act with a bias to the rational.
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Old 10-28-2003, 10:03 AM   #8
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He would of gotten away with it if he was driving the SRT-4...it's f4stAr1!11!11!
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Old 10-28-2003, 10:07 AM   #9
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attention moron US journalist: it is the law in most European countries that the left lane is for passing only, and you MUST move to the right if overtaken by a faster car, speed limit or not.
i guess this means i'm a "pushy" driver.

perhaps a segway or a pair of roos would be a more fitting mode of transportation for the journalist who wrote this article.
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Old 10-28-2003, 10:27 AM   #10
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Wonder if it was an american driver. I've noticed that they tend to sit in the left lane alot over here.

Far left shoulder? I haven't seen much of a left shoulder on the autobahn. He probably trieded squeezing in as she started moving into the right lane.

Heh..anyways. I don't get flashed on the autobahn. Only place I've been flashed from behind is on the Nuerburg ring..when one of the ring taxis came flying by.

Still, it is freaky getting passed like I'm standing still..when I'm going 120+ mph.
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Old 10-28-2003, 10:28 AM   #11
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Still, it is freaky getting passed like I'm standing still..when I'm going 120+ mph.
By what? Why only 120
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Old 10-28-2003, 10:32 AM   #12
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By what? Why only 120
Hah..my neon is speed limited to 130mph...my speedometer only goes up to 120mph....

It sucks though. I'm moving back to the states in Jan/Feb. Going to miss Germany.

I'll be getting a STi sometime next year though!
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Old 10-28-2003, 10:39 AM   #13
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Hey PsychoSoldier...did I ask you once before whether you were stationed at the base in Vogelweh? I forget.

Reason I ask is I was born in Kaiserslautern and lived there til I was 5, and it's just weird to see it listed in someone's location.

Go drink a beer in the Altstadt for me before you leave. (My mother's there right now and tells me the weather's been gorgeous.)
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Old 10-28-2003, 10:45 AM   #14
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That man needs a skape goat. And every company has one.

we used to have a guy here at my work that looked exactly like Milton. it was scary funny.
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Old 10-28-2003, 10:50 AM   #15
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Hey PsychoSoldier...did I ask you once before whether you were stationed at the base in Vogelweh? I forget.

Reason I ask is I was born in Kaiserslautern and lived there til I was 5, and it's just weird to see it listed in someone's location.

Go drink a beer in the Altstadt for me before you leave. (My mother's there right now and tells me the weather's been gorgeous.)
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You probably have. I skip out of OT for months at a time, then I come in and get my fix.

Actually, I'm work at Ramstein, and live even further east.

Hah, weather is great, even though it is cold now. Too much sun this year! I was wondering if was still in Germany.
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Old 10-28-2003, 11:02 AM   #16
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well, im a big believer that everyone drives like ****.
the lady should not have been where she was. and she freaked out and killed herself and her kid. thats pretty damn horrable. makes me a sad person irl.

the guy that passed her at 155mph was driving like an idiot. you have to respect everyone else on the road. if you fail to do so, and put their safty at risk.... you need to give up your keys and take the damn bus. i dont care if jethro no tooth clampet is doing 12mph on the cell phone, eating a 12 foot subway sandwich... you respect him as another car on the road, and pass in a safe mannor.

learn to drive, and drive respectfully. very simple things to grasp, very difficult for most of the world to properly employ.

while im at it... that lever there next to your left hand... the one that makes the tick tick tick sound..... thats your turn signal... look it up in the owners manual... your supposed to use it when your changing lanes, merging, or turning.. up for right, down for left...
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Old 10-28-2003, 11:14 AM   #17
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what do you mean left lane is only for passing?

I thought we Amercians park it in the left lane and pass on the right?
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Old 10-28-2003, 11:14 AM   #18
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that happened a few months back. My friend told me about it i think in sept or august and he said it was old news. But sucks that it happen, I do think the drivers should be held responsible.


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Old 10-28-2003, 11:28 AM   #19
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i swear, 95% of traffic problems wouldn't exist if people heeded the "yield to faster traffic" rule that's actually a law in many states.
So true.
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Old 10-28-2003, 01:05 PM   #20
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Old 10-28-2003, 01:28 PM   #21
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Wait.. pass on the left?? you mean I've been doing it wrong all this time?! damnit..

Also, if other rules of the road were enforced, like signals, yield to faster traffic (except srt-4's.. for obvious reasons), and the amount of time spent in a lane before changing laws, I'd feel a lot better about driving. How many times have you gotten cut of by someone without even the curtesy of a signal.. (the middle finger doesn't count).. Saw a guy a few days ago getting pulled over.. didn't even use a signal to cross the two lanes of traffic before pulling ot the shoulder.. sigh.
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I have really mixed feelings about this. Yeah it sounds like the guy was being a jerk. I find it hard to attribute responsibility for causing the crash to him without having seen what happened. If you're driving that fast you don't go around on the shoulder unless you know that you can make it. If there is no damage to the Merc, then he's charged with manslaughter because some other driver overreacted to the situation.

So being an arse, he scared the poo outta some poor lady, she reacted poorly and the result is tragic.

There's also something to be said for observing proper lane discipline. This is of paramount importance when you are on a road whose speed is not regulated. If you are in the leftmost (assuming right side of the road standards) lane then you had better be passing and watching your rear for faster drivers. It is rude and dangerous not to. The "fast" lane is poorly named. People don't want to be considered slow so they park it in the "fast" lane. I propose that we change the name to the "passing" lane. This should remove any stigma of traveling in the right lane.
Couldn't agree more. I routinely get stuck behind someone who thinks its prefectly within their right to hop into the passing lane and pace the car in the "travel" lane. Normally this leads to a situation where the car in the travel lane refuses to go any faster than the car in the passing lane and the car in the travel lane tends to slow down because they are creeped out (scared) by someone driving directly beside them at 55mph. This in turn causes the person in the passing lane to slow down to match speed again.

Then a dangerous situation has been created for those two drivers and everyone behind them. They obviously don't feel they have the required reflexes to drive any faster which means they will possibly react too slow or over-react to any change in conditions. Result: 100 car pile up.

I have personally seen this happen last winter while going on I-80 behind some very poor drivers and thankfully I had AWD (about 1/2" of snow on the road), some autocross experience, and Apollo smiling down on me.

Its sad that a family was ruined, but if there was no contact damage on the Benz I don't see how they are going to get too far without having to admit that driver error was at fault on both sides of the story.
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Old 11-04-2003, 03:23 AM   #23
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this sounds like american media reporting secondhand information coming from greman media.

in germany you can't drive nearly as close to the car in front of you as we can here. (used to live in a college group home with german exchange students. they were really annoying and among other things, horrified at the way americans drive so close to eachother on highways) if american media retold their description of american highways... you'd think everyone in america drove 350mph 2 ft from the bumper of the car in front of them, that in turn leads to all the world's problems. the funny part is they never drove fast on american highways, just traveled with daily drivers [no, not me]. and they have no concept that in america you ne need to run a speed differential for the car going slower then you in the fast lane to know that you don't want to drive slower then them.

right on for the orlando post---my mom won't even drive on maryland's lame highway because theyre too fast for her and her car shakes at highway speed, but in florida can't stand how there are 4 cars taking up each lane of a 65 highway doing 40 so noone can pass them
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