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Old 10-28-2003, 11:53 AM   #1
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Default I'm shopping for a 91-94 Legacy Turbo

And I am mostly interested in seeing what different people around here have done to mod them in the power department.

I am looking to uncork the EJ22-T and will eventually get new heads for it. But in the short term, I am looking for bolt on mods to let it breath the best and get the most HP off the stock ECU. I am open to a little electronics like an AFC, but don't really want to get into stand alone or anything that major early on.

I am really looking for what headers, up-pipe, down pipe, turbo, IC. etc I can source from other Subaru models or vendors to get this thing into the 200's at the crank.

I am pretty familiar with what I can do to other areas like suspension and handling, so want to focus more on power mods, but feel free to list your complete set up if you feel like sharing

Lastly, even though I know it will curse me to an auto in the short term, I am shopping for wagons specifically...
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Old 10-28-2003, 06:21 PM   #2
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If you buy a legacy turbo then you won't have to worry about an uppipe as it is kittlyless from the factory. You can use any wrx down pipe. For some reason the turbo legacys dudes like the hks one, probably because it's cheap.
200 @ the crank will mean: upped boost 11.5 psi-added intercooler ( not a 100% necessary but nice to have) free flowing muffler-catless down pipe (again not a 100% necessary but will put an end to boost lag).
Free things would include gutting your other cats, doing the air box cut for more flow.
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Old 10-28-2003, 06:21 PM   #3
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Intercooler
Raise boost to 13 psi (fuel cut)

This should get you around 200-210

Fuel Pump
Injectors
Ignition
more boost
AFC

~250 hp

Larger Turbo

~300 hp

past 350 hp I'd look into standalone ECU's along with a stronger tranny, and better internals.

Suspension wise 2.5 RS springs bolt in, along with aftermarket springs for the Legacy and GC8. STi has springs for the Legacy Turbo as well.

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Old 10-28-2003, 06:44 PM   #4
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Thanks guys,

That is kind of the route I figured, but I wanted some comfirmation. Long term I will switch out to an EJ25 head and stand alone engine management, but this project will be a slow boat build. It will also get a 5mt or 5EAT down the road as well. Basically it will become my daily driver...

That MY00 RS listed in my signature is being transitioned to race only duty, and a number of the street parts, like the springs/v5 inverted struts, seats, etc. will all eventually make their way to the Legacy. So, the bulk of the money is going to the RS(waiting on Cobb heads right now ).

So, my functional question on all of this is what needs to be done to up the boost to 13?(outside of uncorking the exhaust and the intake)

And I was kind of looking for specifics, like if I take my Stromung cat back off the RS for a larger diameter exahaust is it a direct swap to the BF Legacy?(I know, not a 300+hp fix, but at 200+ it should flow enough) I know the chassis of GF's and BF's are the same, but are the mount points the same? I guess that is really what I was getting at in the opening post...
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Old 10-28-2003, 07:37 PM   #5
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All you need to raise the boost over stock is a manual boost controller or electronic. they do the same thing, but the electronic ones are fancier, they build and hold boost a little better. Past 13 psi you'll need a fuel cut defender to bypass stock fuel cut. I believe the mounting points for the exhaust is very similar between the two, however the midpipe on the Legacy is a little longer and so is the muffler.

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Old 10-28-2003, 09:12 PM   #6
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If you haven't already joined us, come on over...

http://bbs.legacycentral.org

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Old 10-29-2003, 11:22 AM   #7
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Thanks guys,
Too bad the Stromung isn't a straight swap, but I can get around that. I thought a boost controller was all that was required, but being a hard core NA guy, I wanted to make sure I did it right, once!
As for LegacyCentral, I will have to sign up. I've been lurking but not logged in. eastbay, where do you live. I'm a Cali guy. Grew up in Foster City and Oakland, and lived in Berzerekely for 12 years before moving to CO...
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Old 10-29-2003, 10:08 PM   #8
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Matt, I have a very nice small 16G Mitsu turbo off of an STi from Australia laying around. It has the IHI flanges (even though its a Mitsu turbo) and the same 90 degree intake bend on the compressor outlet. It will bolt up to any of the same configurations used by the Legacy RHB5 turbo. It only has 10,000 miles on it too!

$300


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Old 10-30-2003, 09:30 AM   #9
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Old 10-30-2003, 01:47 PM   #10
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I've just done an Amsoil TS-74 air filer, ATM 10w-30 oil and synth gear lube.

this looks good:

http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ebaymotors/w...tem=2440262079

and local
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Old 10-30-2003, 04:25 PM   #11
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I've just done an Amsoil TS-74 air filer, ATM 10w-30 oil and synth gear lube.

this looks good:

http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ebaymotors/w...tem=2440262079

and local
Thanks dude. I haven't checked the E-bay ads in a few days. I will have to contact this guy asap. If it is as nice as he says, it is worth his buy it now price...
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Old 10-30-2003, 09:05 PM   #12
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i miss my 92. best car ever. but the motor is now in my 95
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Old 10-30-2003, 09:10 PM   #13
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i miss my 92. best car ever. but the motor is now in my 95
It was you posting pics the other night wasn't it??? in that other thread down the page??? I can't wait to get my hands on a Legacy turbo and become one of the few with the super super sleepers!!!
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Old 10-31-2003, 04:08 PM   #14
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So, my functional question on all of this is what needs to be done to up the boost to 13?(outside of uncorking the exhaust and the intake)

get some sort of intercooler if you bump the boost up....might not be completely necessary, but better to be safe.

legacy central has alot of info

Graham- pics of turbo? PM me
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Old 10-31-2003, 04:36 PM   #15
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there is a 92 turbo wagon in everett WA for 1500, with only 61,000 miles. the exterior isnt in the greatest shape but no major damage.
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Old 11-03-2003, 10:52 AM   #16
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but take a look in any case here the price I'm asking is flexible.
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Old 11-03-2003, 11:37 AM   #17
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but take a look in any case here the price I'm asking is flexible.
Sorry mate,
Sedans are a dime a dozen here in Boulder. I see 2-3 a week change hands for $2500 or less. Sounds like a nice set up, though. I am sure you will find a good home for it. As for me, it must be a wagon since I've already got a sedan...
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Old 11-04-2003, 01:53 AM   #18
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Sorry mate,
Sedans are a dime a dozen here in Boulder. I see 2-3 a week change hands for $2500 or less. Sounds like a nice set up, though. I am sure you will find a good home for it. As for me, it must be a wagon since I've already got a sedan...
you think you coudl find me one? i am looking for the 92 to 94 body style in white with an A/T.

west cost is what i want. might just have to ship up form miami.
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Old 11-04-2003, 10:49 AM   #19
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Subiekid,
I'll keep my eyes open. Even though they are cheap, they go pretty quickly. I think the word is getting out about the block and they are getting snatched up just for the engine. Flat4Engineering is local here, and I know they have done some Legacy builds and some RS-T's w/EJ22 blocks. It is only a matter of time until more of the WRX guys find out and price and demand goes way way up...
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Old 11-04-2003, 06:03 PM   #20
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How much would you pay for a 1994 5 speed with only 97k miles (originally from Silverthorne, CO)?

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Old 11-04-2003, 06:20 PM   #21
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Subiekid,
I think he's talking to you... unless that car immaculately has become a 5 speed wagon and then I'm on my way to the airport to fly to Houston...

Jim,
around here that would go for $4000+/- depending on interior and exterior condition. I saw a '92 5MT sedan w/124K mi go for $2600 last week. It was on the market only 4 days at that price.
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Old 11-04-2003, 06:32 PM   #22
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We should hook up. I live in Lafayette & just picked up a white 93 Touring Wagon with ~106K. I paid too much, but I've been looking for one for a while, so...
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We should hook up. I live in Lafayette & just picked up a white 93 Touring Wagon with ~106K. I paid too much, but I've been looking for one for a while, so...
Ah, you bought the one at Fisher, on Sunday night maybe???
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How much would you pay for a 1994 5 speed with only 97k miles (originally from Silverthorne, CO)?

Jim
i want an A/T

i have an ej22t in my 95 and need an A/T for daily driving.

R.I.P. 1992 subaru legacy turbo sedan - white -118k miles - enki rims --gosh i hate old men who run stop lights/
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Old 11-05-2003, 09:06 AM   #25
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Ah, you bought the one at Fisher, on Sunday night maybe???
Yep. That's the one. I needed to dump my truck, so I traded it in on the wagon. The wagon is in awesome condition, but it still needs a few things. (struts, front crank seal, yadda, yadda)

I can do some of the stuff myself & have a friend of mine who is a mechanic do the other stuff while I shoulder surf & learn.
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