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Old 06-05-2000, 01:27 PM   #1
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The $495 is listed on the <a href="http://www.writerguy.com/primitive/catalog1.htm">price sheet</a> at Primitive's site. Would that not be overkill for any non-rally use?

Yeah, I'll go for an aluminum front. Should we take this discussion to the classifieds forum, or wait until you hear back from Paul?

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Old 06-05-2000, 01:44 PM   #2
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Does anyone have any experience with Draken's <a href="http://home.cdsnet.net/~zastava/productssportplate.html">skid plate</a>?

It seems to be a good $40 cheaper than Primitive's, but I don't think I could find any info on the thickness of the aluminum?

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Old 06-05-2000, 02:48 PM   #3
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Hey Dave,
does the Draken one have holes for oil changes put in already? I know some of them don't.
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Old 06-05-2000, 03:12 PM   #4
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I have the rear diff protector as well, which is just an Outback design done in aluminum btw.

I'd like to stress- if you think you need more than the aluminum front plate you will most likely be driving on stuff that will also be seriously hosing the whole bottom of your car, from lower arms, muffler assemblies etc.

If you off-road every weekend (on your fast road set-up lol?), buy an old beat rally car for 3k and have a blast without bothering with your Sube.

That said, pauls plate works well and installs super easily. i certainly wouldn't recommend against anyone buying the carbon fiber plate, since i'd like paul to make the cash-he answered all my newbie questions as he got ready for the prescott prorally.

uh..think thats it.

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Old 06-05-2000, 03:59 PM   #5
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here's a pic of the draken plate.



Looks like that's an oil plug hole in there, if I'm not mistaking. Granted, I've not even -seen- the underside of my car for more than 5 minutes yet, but it looks like it's in the right position.

I realized yesterday that skid plates might be worthwhile for city driving after I pulled out of a parking lot and hit a rut where gutter used to be. A loud clunk, a couple of skipped heartbeats, and a newfound resolution to put some protection under there!

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Old 06-05-2000, 04:51 PM   #6
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The primitive plate is def. wider.

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Old 06-05-2000, 06:04 PM   #7
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What vital organs are covered by the primitive plate that the Draken plate doesn't reach? I emailed Draken just to test the waters there, and get a hard number on the thickness of their plate... I'd be happy to go with either vendor, should they offer a groupbuy.

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Old 06-06-2000, 12:29 AM   #8
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I have a front alum. plat from Paul and it has seen some serious abuse off road and never failed.

ANything the plate couldn't survive, I'm not sure I would, since it would mean I'm driving crazily for a car with no cage etc.

For rally-x and bombing around...good stuff.

Only query- Carbon fibre? Why? I know all about the strength of carbon fiber. The reason the WRC cars use slick metal plates is so the cars "glide/slide" over stuff.

Wouldn't a CF skidplate tear after a serious hit?

just wondering? I don;t know/
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Old 06-06-2000, 12:30 AM   #9
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Paul's price sheet lists:

Skid Plate 10-layer Carbon/Kevlar: Special order $495.00

That's a lot of clams... Should we maybe try for a group buy on the aluminum skid plates instead? I could be into that!

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Old 06-06-2000, 12:35 AM   #10
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I don't know about the Carbon fibre(A little too rich for my blood), but I'll be down from the 1/8" aluminum, front and rear.
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Old 06-06-2000, 01:00 AM   #11
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Oh guys, The price of carbon fibre is $33.67 a square yard. He needs ten. And about $60 in epoxy and hardener. Then labor...Stay with the aluminum. Less headache for him more money for you...
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Old 06-06-2000, 11:01 AM   #12
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Is the draken number a secret?

The primitive covers from tow hook to tow hook, back past the pan and flanges to cover the headers.

Chec out the pic: http://www.writerguy.com/primitive/skid.htm#front

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Old 06-06-2000, 11:46 AM   #13
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Here's the reply I got from Chris Hartman at Draken. It doesn't look like there's much in the way of a deal when we do a groupbuy there.

-- begin quote --

Hi Dave,


Thanks for your interest in our SportPlate. I received quite a few
questions about them this week. The rallycross season must be starting
up in other parts of the country as well! We just had our first event
yesterday.


But back to your questions:


The SportPlate is made using 3mm thick 6061-T6 annealed Aluminum. It is
thinner than the STi plates, but by using the 6061-T6, which is commonly
used for machining operations, and not for sheet work, we can acheive
similiar compressive strength, puncture resistance, and much better
abrasion resistance. We didn't want to make a product that added 30 lbs
to the car, if we could use a better grade of material in a thinner
sheet stock, that only weighs 5 lbs. We also incorporated a hole for
the drain plug, and a simple cut-out to reach the oil filter. It does
not hinder an oil change what-so-ever.


With regard to price and group discounts:


We have tried to keep our price at $160, since we introduced the
product. Also, since we only have 7 left in stock, and we may not be
making anymore in the future, it is not neccessary for you to try and
get 10 people in a group buy. We have sold a few SportPlates to groups
of 3 or more, at the $160 price, but we cover the cost of shipping,
which can be upwards of $15. This applies to the 48 sates only. We
would be more than willing to extend this to anyone you can get to join
you, with three or more poeple total.


Hope this answers your questions, feel free to ask away if you have
more!


Chris Hartman
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-- end quote --
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Old 06-06-2000, 06:22 PM   #14
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Are there any draw backs to adding a skid plate? I'm thinking about air flow through the engine compartment.

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Old 06-06-2000, 06:31 PM   #15
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I just got mine. It weighs 12 lbs. (the primitive one. )
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Old 06-07-2000, 12:55 AM   #16
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yep it is... can Paul give us a deal on the aluminum ones?
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Old 06-07-2000, 07:12 AM   #17
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12lbs vs ripping the pan and headers off your car is a relative deal.

Not sure what you are expecting weight wise...
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Old 06-07-2000, 10:16 AM   #18
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just go on a diet and lose 5 lbs to compensate
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Old 04-09-2004, 01:56 AM   #19
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are these still availbile?
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Old 04-09-2004, 07:23 PM   #20
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I'd be up for one aluminum skid plate
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