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Old 01-13-2001, 05:15 PM   #1
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Thumbs down Wrx &%$#@

The new WRX is running a 2.0L with turbo and is putting out 215 HP. You can get the RS with a 2.5L and puttin out 165 HP. The mods on the 2.5 are so much better, why you you want to go to turbo lang world. Look at www.Inprezawrx.com - you can get 17" rims on the new pieces of S#!T.

Sorry I just hate the new WRX.

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Old 01-13-2001, 05:24 PM   #2
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I haven't found very many mods that are going to make the RS as fast (except for a turbo) as the WRX. I have had my RS for quite a while now, I love it. I don't like the looks yet of the WRX but hey its still a Subaru. The main point of the WRX is you get a good warranty, once you turbo the RS or mod it most place won't warranty the RS. Once I see it in person I may change my mind. And turbo lag isn't that bad, its actually kinda cool once it hits.
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Old 01-13-2001, 05:42 PM   #3
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What Scooby Do said, plus the RS comes with 165 hp.

Oh, & I couldn't see any pieces of sh#t at inprezawrx.com, whatever that is.

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Old 01-13-2001, 05:44 PM   #4
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1) it is 227 hp not 215. And I have read that Subaru UNDERRATES the hp.

2) F A C T O R Y T U R B O = warranty.

3) why don't you get a Mustang with a 5.0 L if you are worried about turbo lag?

4) ALL subarus except for the WRX and H6 outback will have the 2.5L engines so you will still be able to get the RS in the new body style but you wont get the hoodscoop but if you bought one you would probably get a WRX hood instead right.
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Old 01-13-2001, 05:46 PM   #5
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What RidingLow said, plus the WRX comes with 227 hp.
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Old 01-13-2001, 05:47 PM   #6
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What cwhalgren said, just to drive the point home.
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Old 01-13-2001, 05:56 PM   #7
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Um, lets see. An N/A RS will crank out around 210 HP max.

The WRX comes with 227. I wonder what would happen to the HP if you lose the cat before the turbo? Was talking about the WRX today with some Subaru mechanic types. I was told that the third cat, the one before the turbo, is nothing more than a boat anchor to make emissions. Lose the cat and watch it fly.

Also, I wonder how long it will take someone to buy the new WRX, rip off the top and replace it with the 276 HP stuff.

Or, intake, 3" cat back exhaust, boost controller, etc. etc. and crank up that little EJ20 to 300+ HP.

Oh the mind just wanders sometimes. Scary.

As a footnote, I know the looks of the new Impreza are questionable. I had a really ugly *ss car once. It was a 63 Plymouth. It was ugly, real ugly. People laughed......

Until they saw the 10.20 timeslips

On street tires.

Form follows function baby.

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Old 01-13-2001, 06:00 PM   #8
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HUh? so we can take teh 3rd cat out and put it back on for emissions?! Oh.... I'm tingling all over!!!
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Old 01-13-2001, 06:13 PM   #9
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This is what I have HEARD. Obviously with OBDII and all the other stuff, this remains to be anything more than a rumor, but it makes sense to this gearhead. Anyone else wanna take a stab at this one?

Dan - Flyin 555

Oh by the way, if ya wanna see what the afforementioned 63 Plymouth looked like, here is a similar one, but much much nicer looking.
http://www.ornocar.com/1962to1965mopar/mcumming63.html

Another footnote, someone flamed me in a PM that there is NO way a boat like that can pull 10.20's on streets. It is amazing what happens to this thing when you slam a well massaged Hemi in it with a 6-71 blower, 30 % overdrive and an Enderle birdcatcher up to a 3 speed with Strange 4:11's. Can we say Bye Bye?
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Old 01-13-2001, 06:23 PM   #10
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I don't know if just removing the cat between the headers and turbo will make much difference. You will still have a lot of restriction in the exhaust unless the cats and muffler are high flow (most likley not). To get the best gains you will need to put in a complete exhaust from headers to muffler.

Also I read about the tumble valve thing in the intake. It mixes the fuel when the engine is cold for better emisions. MAYBE the cat between the headers and turbo is what turns the tumble valve off! So it may be impossible to remove it! Just a thought but does anyone else have a comment about that?
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Old 01-13-2001, 06:45 PM   #11
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sen, did you know that chrome rims help put out 20 hp? I got chrome rims on my rs, and its alot faster than the wrx will be. I think the WeX is a pos. I hate that trbo thing
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Old 01-13-2001, 06:48 PM   #12
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go home troll!!

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Old 01-13-2001, 08:03 PM   #13
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Great post dgosslin. My thoughts exactly, the more mods this car gets and the more horsepower it puts out the less the looks will matter. Maybe it's good that the car is ugly because fewer people will want to drive it.

I used to drive a Turbo RX-7 and used a cat replacement tube that had a screw in for the oxy sensor. It was a pain replacing it for emissions, but the extra power was worth it. Better gas mileage too. Maybe one like it will become available for the WRX.
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Old 01-13-2001, 08:10 PM   #14
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the wrx engine puts out 227 but thats not brake horsepower. how much is left once it gets to the wheels? our rs's only get 95 hp at the wheels and turboed you can average from 130-160. bhp on the wrx. is what you guys really want to find out......
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Old 01-13-2001, 08:39 PM   #15
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HP is measured with a brake, so 227 hp means 227 brake horsepower. All manufacturer ratings are at the crankshaft, not the wheels. I don't think that the new Impreza's drivetrain is any more or less efficient than the old one, so 227 is still a big gain over 165.

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Old 01-13-2001, 10:40 PM   #16
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Why are ppl stil trying to justify a 165hp car is better than a 227hp car? The last I check, 227 is more than 165. Did I missed anything when i was out this afternoon? A change in digits?
Someone posted a good insight in which how many ppl really still mod their n/a eclipse once the turbo eclipsed came out?
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Old 01-13-2001, 11:18 PM   #17
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Glad to hear it "sen", you're one less person that I have to compete with the get a WRX! I welcome more press like this since it means fewer people will seriously consider purchasing the WRX until later. I'm sure that after it's been on dealer lots for awhile the word will get out about what a great deal it is.

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Old 01-13-2001, 11:20 PM   #18
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Factory Turbo = better!

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Old 01-13-2001, 11:26 PM   #19
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but AutoXr,
The ej20 doesnt have as much mods as the ej25 does! BAHAHHH
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Old 01-13-2001, 11:45 PM   #20
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I suppose it would be silly of me to suggest a moratorium on Rex bashing until people actually get a chance to drive the darned thing, huh?

Just a thought...

Oh, and don't trolls customarily charge a fee to cross the bridge?

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Old 01-14-2001, 01:30 AM   #21
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sen and Keith:

Stop whining cause you cant afford one
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Old 01-14-2001, 04:48 AM   #22
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clubsi, here we come
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Old 01-14-2001, 10:18 AM   #23
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Kostamojen, I think Keith was being sarcastic... at least I hope he was because he placed an order for a WRX!
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Old 01-14-2001, 10:40 AM   #24
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.02 from Primm Motorsports.

We have heard a vicious rumor that the US Spec WRX uses an EJ20 and not the EJ20T that the rest of the world gets. If this is true it will limit the amount of boost you can tweak to 14psi. This would not be good news for all those that are looking to crank 300hp out of their new WRX. Now this is only a rumor and we are trying to confirm this with our Australian & British counterparts.

Please do not kill the messenger, we are not tuners and have no specific knowledge of the inner workings of the different power plants offered. We are only passing along what we heard.

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Old 01-14-2001, 11:19 AM   #25
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If that were true & the most boost you could get out of it was 14psi, that would be a pretty ragged edge for Subaru to run as the car makes 14psi from the factory!
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