Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Wednesday April 16, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Archives > NASIOC Archives > General Forum Archive

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-28-2000, 03:17 PM   #1
mykrrrr
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 733
Join Date: Jan 2000
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Squadra Delle Pecore Nere
Vehicle:
'13 Focus ST
'85 GTi rally/road race

Question Using hand brake w/AWD???

Can this be done without screwing up the AWD system on my RS???

I'm talking about the handbrake turns on gravel/snow covered roads. It's fun in a FWD but I'm scared that if I try it in my RS it'll screw something up...

-myk
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
mykrrrr is offline  
Old 10-28-2000, 03:53 PM   #2
Sean
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 518
Join Date: Nov 1999
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Trunkmonkey Racing
Vehicle:
762 PGT Impreza L,
Silverado EXT, Yaris

Post

It can be done as long as you dip the clutch while sliding. Enter the turn, push in the clutch, nail the handbrake. Make sure the handbrake is off before you reengage the clutch.

Trunkmonkey is here! There is no cone...
Sean Sosik-Hamor < sean@trunkmonkey.com >
Epinions Automotive Reviews by `Sean
Sean is offline  
Old 10-28-2000, 04:13 PM   #3
Dobes
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 164
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Philly suburbs
Vehicle:
1997 Legacy GT-T

Post

Tony........you wanna field this one?
Dobes is offline  
Old 10-28-2000, 08:14 PM   #4
Bankheist
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 2237
Join Date: Aug 2000
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: DFW
Vehicle:
2000 COBB Tuned GC8
2012 Hyundai Veloster

Thumbs up

I've done it a couple times on dry pavement at work. Always dropping the clutch... but still I think the clutch helps from blowing up the center differential... I still you could mess it up either way.

I think, not too sure on that one... someone point me in the right direction.
Bankheist is offline  
Old 10-28-2000, 11:03 PM   #5
rpone605
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1669
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Vehicle:
2004 WRX Sport Wagon
Silver

Post

um goodbye center diff??? probably get away with it a few times but i wouldn't recommend it.
rpone605 is offline  
Old 10-30-2000, 12:00 AM   #6
mykrrrr
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 733
Join Date: Jan 2000
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Squadra Delle Pecore Nere
Vehicle:
'13 Focus ST
'85 GTi rally/road race

Post

That's what I was thinking too but just thought I'd ask.

-myk
mykrrrr is offline  
Old 10-30-2000, 04:25 AM   #7
T-WRX
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 2468
Join Date: Sep 2000
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: JAX
Vehicle:
08 RS4
05 STi

Post

The WRC Impreza automatically disengages the rear drive when the driver pulls the hand brake. Too cool!

But as they say . . . Don't try this at home boys and girls.
T-WRX is offline  
Old 10-30-2000, 08:30 AM   #8
Tony
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 287
Join Date: Sep 1999
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Baltimore, MD.
Vehicle:
2005 9-2X Aero
Desert Silver

Post

Thanks Dobes, I think...

Yes, dip the clutch and yes, your center diff wonn't like it. How long will it last, I dunno, I've done it a lot on dry pavement and it's still working. Probably not a good idea, we'll see.

Tony
Tony is offline  
Old 10-30-2000, 08:38 AM   #9
ColinL
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 114
Join Date: Jul 1999
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Wichita, KS and Whoring, OT
Vehicle:
'03 Evo, Rice White
'01 Erion CBR 929

Post

Was a passenger in an rainy autocross when someone used the handbrake a lot in a '98 2.5RS. Worked okay sometimes, not so well others. Probably just needed practice.

I can't see it working great on dry tarmac-- to hard to get sliding (hopefully) and slows you down too much when you do.

Maybe I'm wrong, or just a chicken.
ColinL is offline  
Old 10-30-2000, 08:43 AM   #10
Subie Gal
GC84Ever
Super Moderator
 
Member#: 301
Join Date: Sep 1999
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: WA
Vehicle:
1970 FF-1 & '70 Van
02 WRX/01 RS

Wink

works great off road.. hehehehe
Subie Gal is offline  
Old 10-30-2000, 08:45 AM   #11
Geezer
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 915
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Where sheep fear to tread
Vehicle:
2000 Impreza Turbo
DBM

Post

Not recommended. Whether the clutch is engaged or not, the centre diff doesn't like extreme differences in wheel speed. Remember that the centre diff just controls torque between the axles, and the clutch transmits torque from the crank to the prop/driveshaft/transfer gear etc.

The rally cars employ all sorts of trick electronics to achieve the ability to handbrake the car, and the 'box potetnially only has to last one rally before a rebuild. Your precious bit of kit is designed to last about 60,000 miles without use of the handgrake though!

Geezer
Geezer is offline  
Old 10-30-2000, 09:01 AM   #12
Subie Gal
GC84Ever
Super Moderator
 
Member#: 301
Join Date: Sep 1999
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: WA
Vehicle:
1970 FF-1 & '70 Van
02 WRX/01 RS

Wink

yeah but those of us w/auto's.. i hear it won't hurt our diff's "as bad" as you manual guys... and... well it takes 21 days to form a habit... believe me the habit is formed!

i have to have my ebrake adjusted continually!!!

j.
Subie Gal is offline  
Old 10-30-2000, 09:59 AM   #13
Gambit
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 102
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: The meeting place
Thumbs down

You'll not only wreck your diff, your center VC will get busted too. You're basically locking the rear wheels thus causing a drastic change for the VC to change accordingly. However since our AWD works with liquid it is not as bad as say doing it the same with a Torsen diff. Those mechanical center differential will blow up. Too much strain in too little time for change. bad bad bad. A car that is setup properly should not require hand brake to assist in turns. Or driven properly for that matter. U're just hurting the car. FWD has no rear differential therefore it's ok to use the handbrake technique.
Gambit is offline  
Old 10-30-2000, 10:30 AM   #14
Tony
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 287
Join Date: Sep 1999
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Baltimore, MD.
Vehicle:
2005 9-2X Aero
Desert Silver

Post

Yes, it is almost never faster to navigate a turn with the handbrake. I use it as a last-ditch maneuver if I overcook a corner and then it's usually faster than grinding to a near halt and turning the car around. I did win an autox by using the handbrake on my fastest run to make a hairpin at the finish. Also I can remember a 180 pivot cone that rewarded handbraking but I clipped cones elsewhere in that run, it would've been 2/10ths faster. Those are the exceptions not the run though.

Tony

[This message has been edited by Tony (edited October 30, 2000).]
Tony is offline  
Old 10-30-2000, 11:06 AM   #15
Subie Gal
GC84Ever
Super Moderator
 
Member#: 301
Join Date: Sep 1999
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: WA
Vehicle:
1970 FF-1 & '70 Van
02 WRX/01 RS

Wink

ok i see...

well it's so much fun tho!!

but you guys are right - i really don't NEED to do it... just choose to do so. I see your point though. It is harder to come out of the corner tho after e-braking... i will have to relearn myself - break (no pun intended) that nasty habit.

thanks guys.

j.

Subie Gal is offline  
Old 10-30-2000, 03:17 PM   #16
#522
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 2185
Join Date: Aug 2000
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Location: AZ
Vehicle:
01 RS
swirly blue

Post

I'm glad i've only done this a few times at less than 20 mph in the dirt. After I did it, it just felt wrong, so I stopped. I figured front wheels = 20mph, Rear= 0, center diff =

Good thing, now that I read this, it just confirms what I thought.
#522 is offline  
 

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
wtb hand brake cable for 93-01 for rear disc brakes 2slofouru Private 'Wanted' Classifieds 3 07-16-2006 11:55 PM
AWD vs. Hand-brake Mothra Transmission (AT/MT) & Driveline 5 05-16-2002 04:44 PM
('93-'01) Busted Hand Brake In My Legacy Outback SubaruLover Impreza Forum 5 06-14-2001 12:17 AM
Help.....Busted Hand Brake In My Legacy Outback SubaruLover Legacy Forum 1 06-13-2001 07:19 AM
('93-'01) How do you adjust the hand brake? 2yLiTe Impreza Forum 3 06-11-2001 06:50 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:57 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.