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Old 06-17-2000, 03:37 PM   #1
Tim K.
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Post RS takes FTD at autocross in Columbia, SC

Sorry guys, but I had toot my own horn... hell with that - I'm leaning on the SOB blaring it loudly. Had another event where the parking lot pavement was not all that great. The surface was rough and there was loose sand in some corners.

My Subaru shod with Dunlop W-10s had the answer for all the other cars in the field (about 40 cars), including the ones with race rubber. The AWD advantage shined through by allowing me to get on the gas coming out of corners far earlier than most of my competitors.

Luckily, the Countach declined to run today.

Most of the course was run in second gear with one corner requiring a downshift. FTD was a 49.960, next closest time was a 50.080, so it was close. Overall it was a good day. "Scoobie" did a wonderful job making me look a real driver (my wife is even beginning to think I know what I'm doing).

That makes two FTDs this year. If we keep getting these sandboxes for parking lots I just might make it three.... LOL Heck, it was an autocross/rallycross.

Again, I'm just absolutely stoked. FTD in a bone stock RS. What a concept!

Okay guys, its time for ya'll to beat me up and deflate my ego... otherwise I'll never get my helmet on again.

Thanks for letting me brag a bit.

Regards,

Tim Kadar

PS I would like to give my daughter a big hug and thank you! She got me a floor jack for Father's Day and let me have it a little early so I could use it today. Thank you Kimmy!!!!!!!!! XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO

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Old 06-17-2000, 04:28 PM   #2
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What kind of cars are you running against? I do well in the autocrosses up here in CT (took 2nd in CSP today, ahead of a bunch of Fieros, waaaay behind a 1st gen RX-7), but I'm nowhere near FTD. Is that including PAX? We don't use PAX with the club I run with (non-SCCA), so I'm not sure exactly how it works, but I think it would give you an advantage.

Just to give an idea of how tough competition is up here today, my best time (on Kumhos) was a 51.044sec. FTD was a high 47 something. First in CSP was 48.4xx (the RX-7), and the one 2.5RS that was there ran a 53.xxx on street tires (although even the driver would freely admit he needs a lot of work). Those are all raw scores.

Anyway, good job. FTD is pretty cool!

Edit: Sorry, this message came off sounding negative/disbelieving, which was not the intended tone. I'm just curious what kinda stuff you run against, because I'm nowhere near the front of the pack. Again, congrats on the FTD.

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Old 06-17-2000, 07:19 PM   #3
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Pat,

No problems. The biggest factor in my advantage was the condition of the pavement. When we run on something cleaner I am a bit farther away from FTD. Usually about 2 to 4 seconds. Oh, and the times are raw - no PAX.

The fast guys in the SCR SCCA are running 3rd gen RX-7s. The quickest is a highly modified RX-7; larger intercooler, higher boost, suspension (coil overs, etc.) and a full cage. We also have our share of Miatas, CRXs, Porsche 944s, MR2s, etc.

Sometimes we get more exotic cars. Down in Charleston it was two Ferrari 355s, a supercharged Cobra kit car, a Saleen Mustang, supercharged 911, shifter kart - which was about 6 seconds faster, but he kept getting lost on course.

You can goto the SCR SCCA website for a better picture of what we run down here. The address is http://www.scr-scca.com/

Our parking lots are on the small side, so the courses are generally tight. This helps even out the horsepower disadvantage I am working under.

We did run a two day event up at the BMW plant in Greer, SC. This lot and course resembled what people would see at a national event (we are hoping to host one in two years time). I think I was 4 seconds from FTD there. The FTD car was a 1999 Porsche Carrera with some serious suspension mods, racing seats, harness, etc.

I'm not sure where I would wind up at a larger event with more cars. We kind of feel an FTD here is good enough for an upper 1/3 finish in more competitive areas. North Carolina is usually a faster region than ours. I've ran twice against folks from up there. Both times I was about 1~1.5 seconds from the winner in G-stock. One car was a slick shod, roll cage equipped Type R Integra. The guy wanted to run Pro, but they didn't have the class at the event. The other one was a slick shod, roll cage equipped Volkswagon GTI driven by another nationally ranked driver.

So, if you are ever up for a long road trip head on down our way for one of our autocrosses. I'm the only RS out there... though everybody now knows "Scoobie."

I hope to run racing rubber next year, but most people are secretly hoping I can't afford it.

I'll see if I can't prod the folks to update our webpage too. The latest times from Greer have yet to be posted.

Still on cloud nine,

Tim Kadar

PS What an awesome weekend for racing! LeMans, the Canadian Grand Prix... what a weekend.
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Old 06-17-2000, 08:23 PM   #4
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You wouldn't stand a chance up here. There's absolutely no way a Subaru could take a Titan. Check out the last event results.
http://www.mnautox.com/mowog200.htm

The two RS's in there did pretty good, but they still got beat. Last time they placed 1-2, so this was a disappointment.
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Old 06-17-2000, 08:28 PM   #5
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I can't work up the guts to try an autocross yet. I've gotten totally spanked at rallycross by 90hp FWD cars, so there's no chance of doing anything other than embarrassing myself at an autocross. Plus this car doesn't seem to be in the right class. I don't see how it could compete with some of those other cars in the class that have more powerful engines, are lighter, and have better handling.
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Old 06-18-2000, 06:07 AM   #6
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Bryan,

Put those cars in the lot in which we raced, and I would have stood a chance even against a Titan and a shifter cart. When it started to drizzle the pavement was slick enough to slide a good ten feet in your tennis shoes by just taking a few running steps and sliding.

The pavement was rough. Had a cheese grater effect on the tires. Slicks were a little better, until you hit some standing sand.

You're right though, up there (or even in different venues here) I don't stand a chance at FTD. Yet, Saturday, in that lot and in those conditions the Subaru was the car to have.

I do feel confident in GS. I've yet to place lower than second and rarely if ever more 0.4 ~ 0.8 seconds behind the winning car when that car is driven by a nationally competing driver.

Next year I'll be getting race rubber and I hope to travel to some bigger meets. Then it will be time to be humbled again. Yet, if I don't step up to the next level, I can never hope to raise my game.

Something I found that helps me out is to ride with (if possible) some of the fast guys. Even if their cars dictate a totally different line, its their driving techniques that can help. How smooth are their inputs? How do they treat the throttle? The brakes? Where are they looking? What are they seeing? Also, get one of the fast guys to ride with you. It can be interesting.

I took a lap with a very quick female driver up at Greer. She is the ultimate in smooth. Almost a complete lack of aggression in her driving style. Yet, because of her smoothness she is consistently fast. After a ride with her, I cut a second off my own times.

C'mon Bryan... you've already done the rallycross. Now sign up for an autocross, and run as a novice. All you need is a little experience. Remember, everybody had to go out and do it for the first time. All you need is practice, practice, practice.

Regards,

Tim Kadar
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Old 06-18-2000, 08:31 AM   #7
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Sorry, I'd rather let people think I'm an idiot and a bad driver than to enter one of those things and prove it I don't stand a chance. I have a better chance at rallycross, but I'm simply a terrible driver. This is nothing like the racing I did when I was younger. Yea, I grew up in SC, Horry Co. We did quite a bit of dirt-road racing down there in my CRX, but this is a lot different. This crap we're running on in rallycross is unheard of, even in rallies. By the end of the day, the corners have 16" ruts in them with sand that's at least 12" deep with varrying underlying surfaces. The dirt's piled so high on the ouside corners, the ouside's are two feet higher than the insides. RWD cars easily have an advantage in that stuff.

As far as autocross goes, whenever I practice something like that in a parking lot, I always lose the clutch and end up grinding the gears. I don't see how you are able to change gears so easily on the corners. I can't hold the clutch steady with all the g-force to the outside like that. And how do you leave it in second on some of those corners? I try that in rallycross, but it keeps stalling when I get below 10mph. So I downshift only to have to upshift 1/2 second later. Of course, I'm still killing the clutch through all this.

This car has the most difficult clutch I've ever driven. I keep waiting for it to break in, but I guess I haven't waited long enough.
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Old 06-18-2000, 01:18 PM   #8
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Bryan,

Horry County? Cool, down by Myrtle Beach then...

Getting the car into first gear is what I call a "painful" autocross. When at all possible we try to design the course to avoid this downshifts. However, the constraints of the parking lot sometimes forces us to tighten things up a bit.

Things depend on the corner of course... if you have to brake hard and enter the corner slow you are better off braking and downshifting as you enter the corner. To make the down shift easier, I use part of my foot on the brake, and part of it on the gas pedal (heel/toe or more of right side/left side) to 'blip' the throttle. On other corners (decreasing radius and such) you can enter quicker, but then have to continue braking. On these I leave the downshift until near the exit. Until you need to get back on the gas, you don't need the lower gear. And yes... I've sometimes jumped on the gas and discovered I've found neutral not first gear.

Your rallycross experience sounds more like a motorcross experience. Break out the dirt bike and roost those cars!

Let me know if you ever make it back this way. We can strafe some of those dirt roads. Oh, the nice thing about the BMW Plant autocross, after the autocross all the RX-7, Porsche, Miata, etc., drivers were loading up in the Subie to go run down a couple of dirt roads. No other car could go from doing well at the autocross to doing okay in the dirt without even changing tires. It was a blast!

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