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Old 11-04-2003, 06:41 PM   #1
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Angry PAR Gears Break...and so does the Warranty

PAR SUCKS.

Snakeoil sam strikes again. My 4th gear failed, and he won't warrantee it....but he said he'd hook me up...that hook up would cost me 500 more than I bought the initial gear set for.

www.racingsouthwest.com/Tranny
www.racingsouthwest.com/Tranny2

To Show that the synchros are in great shape and everything else got hosed. Not gear oil since there was no blueing, and 5th is in great shape since it just cant get the shrapnel.

BOYCOTT PAR.
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Old 11-04-2003, 09:06 PM   #2
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Hows the shift forks?
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Old 11-04-2003, 09:27 PM   #3
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Old 11-05-2003, 06:10 PM   #4
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Dog gears won't do sh$t for you if you don't fix the tranny flex problem. It side loads the gears too much when everything gets out of alignment.
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Old 11-05-2003, 07:09 PM   #5
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Old 11-05-2003, 11:39 PM   #6
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Damn that sucks. How many miles?
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Old 11-06-2003, 03:05 AM   #7
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Old 11-06-2003, 04:02 AM   #8
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synchro set
Still a dogbox (1/2 at least)

My point is, any aftermarket gear set for this 5spd is only prolonging the inevitable when you either have high hp or abuse it. Case flex is the problem. It brings the gears out of alignment. It is really hard on helical cut gears like your 4/5
Not so hard on straight cut gears. Ususally they can last and take whatever you want to throw at them up to a point.




If you think it is manufacturing error, take the pieces to a certified metallurgist/engineer and have them diagnose the cause of failure. If it is metal defect, you have a basis for a lawsuit if a warranty is in place without disclaimers.
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Old 11-06-2003, 04:36 AM   #9
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well this isn't the cause he gave me...he failed to give me one, and didn't deal with it adequitley.

I'm not bothering with a lawyer since its more of a pain than its worth to go after him legally.

I just figured I'd let everyone in on the woes so they could avoid them.
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Old 11-06-2003, 09:22 AM   #10
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I feel for you bud!

I've posted this as a news article on my website, hopefully I can help spread the word for you and not make the sacrifice in vain!

http://www.projectwrx.com/modules.ph...article&sid=46

Good luck!

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Old 11-06-2003, 10:33 AM   #11
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thanks Jorge.
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Old 11-06-2003, 01:22 PM   #12
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Thanks for the heads up on the failure Matt. I think you are the first one in the US to report a failure of this gearset. I know of numerous other people that have it, but none have experienced problems.

I do, however, remember you were one of the first to put these gears on, thus one of the first to break.

One less alternative to our tranny issues down the drain....


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Old 11-07-2003, 01:28 PM   #13
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I'm not going to pretend to be an expert in trannies, but this looks a lot like the gear problems that my old camaro had. It ended up being a grounding strap problem. It was explained to me that the hard outside plating on the gears was taken off and then the gears were just eaten up.

Like I said before, don't flame me because I don't really know what I'm talking about. I'm only shareing that the pictures looked like what happened to an old tranny of mine.
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Old 11-07-2003, 03:34 PM   #14
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Were any of your gears making a loud whine noise?

Just asking cause I have the same gear set and my seconf make horible noise. I have about 10,000 miles on the car and 100+ anti lag launches with no problems yet.

The car is about 350 to 400 horse power.


thats all
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Old 11-07-2003, 03:54 PM   #15
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I'm about where you are scott..just don't have the stuff to do a stutterbox launch..only did maybe 10 launces on it..

....it did start making a noise...dropped it shortly after...and thats what it looked like
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Old 11-07-2003, 05:25 PM   #16
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Hmmm. Mine has made the noise since day one.

I think over the winter I will pull the tranny and split the case to look at my gears.

I will try and post pics of what my stuff looks like. The only GUESS I have is the gears are pitting and that causes the noise and then failure in some cases.

Only a GUESS though from other people I have talked to at the track with turbo 400's and such.


Let me know if you do get the gears checked out to see what was the cause of failure.


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Old 11-07-2003, 10:40 PM   #17
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Not going to bother checking them out....just counting it as a loss.

Good luck with yours, I hope it's a fluke, but in my heart of hearts I doubt it is.
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Old 11-14-2003, 07:04 PM   #18
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Excuse me...his initial offer was for 2750 AUS...which comes out to $1997....which is within 50 bucks of the original purchase price...though the currency rate has shifted, 2k is still 2k.

I just got off the phone with him. He offered me a gear set for the same cost as the STi gears...I'm still debating this.

I figured I should clear that up. If that makes anything clear I don't know.
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Old 11-14-2003, 07:13 PM   #19
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I say get another set. I have BEAT on mine and they are fine.

I will try and get picks of the gears but they look like new after 10,000 miles.

The noise I founf out was a bad syncro that was reused when I built the tranny.
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Old 11-18-2003, 01:20 PM   #20
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my synchros are perfect...
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Old 11-18-2003, 06:35 PM   #21
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Matt,

What gear fluid are you running in your tranny? You may need a fluid with better protection. Could you ever smell burnt gear fluid?
Did you ever change fluid since your rebuild? Was it the stuff the dealer put in?

My opinion from the pics is that there is some sort of temperature issue.


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Old 11-18-2003, 08:13 PM   #22
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I changed it regularly....I don't think thats the case.....no blueing or anything.
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Old 11-24-2003, 02:04 PM   #23
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looking at those pics, it looks like those gears may have been cast and then machined(ground)....as opposed to straight machined(ground). you should not have all those cavities inside the gear on the teeth. how did they look when you put them in?

if you can, get a hardness test done and compair these gears with some stockers. these should be harder than stock?
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Old 11-24-2003, 02:33 PM   #24
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they looked fine when they when in......if someone else wants to test it cool...I'm done with this.
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Old 11-28-2003, 01:09 PM   #25
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What gear oil were you using?
It looks like lube breakdown causing the galling of the loaded face.

The other possibility is poor heat treatment that allowed a high wear rate.

The possibility is the flaking of metal went into a few teeth that caused the tooth breakage.

Without holding the parts myself, I am guessing.
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