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Old 07-03-2000, 10:56 AM   #1
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Unhappy VW Golf...wow! Or, AWD love, FWD blues...

Wow...my friend Chip just picked up a used MY98 VW Golf. It's the baseline model, similar to the Impreza L. We had a chance to take it out to play on some back country roads in the area and I've gotta say wow, I haven't had that much fun with a "weak" car since I owned my old MY81 VW Rabbit Diesel!

It's got the stock 14" steels on it with a brand new set of Dunlops, so it sticks to the road like glue. And the clutch was sweet. A looong throw into first gear (almost uncomfortable), but the clutch was extremely forgiving.

Also, the stock 2.0L engine pushed out quite a bit of low end torque and had extremely good engine braking characteristics through the turns. Downshifting into turns was extremely smooth...easier than with my Impreza. But the overall power and control just wasn't there.

I actually scared myself a few times. On a tight right over crest that I usually take at 65 MPH in the Impreza, I hit at 50 MPH in the Golf. It was still too fast and I felt the rear end break loose and actually bounced sideways to the left a couple inches. There's no weight in the back to keep the rear end planted, and you have to approach the turns with a lot of care.

I can't believe how accustomed I've become to the AWD. The only cars I've ever owned are FWD and the first AWD car I bought was the Impreza two years ago. Now, I virtually feel lost without the AWD...I know the Impreza's exact limits and I know how far I can push the AWD before I start to lose it.

I just didn't have that safe connected feel with FWD. Overall, the Golf was a great car...I switched out with Chip and had him drive back on the same twisty mountain roads through the woods, and I called out the turns in rally fashion to let him know what was coming up. With him behind the wheel, it was a blast. Totally different driving styles.

I'll obviously be sticking with Subaru, even though he just picked up the Golf for his wife, my wife just bought a GW Vapor and he'll be picking up a VW Jetta VR6 in a year or so. They're trying to convince me to "join the club."

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Old 07-03-2000, 01:45 PM   #2
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Maybe you haven't pushed hard enuf as the golf has temendous body roll on hard corners. The only thing that wuold temp me to buy a golf would be the 1.8t engine other than that....sorry bud it's Impreza all the way. Also I find the steering and overal driving of th newer golf to be very vague and numb. It's good for average joe blow but when pushed it is less fulfilling.
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Old 07-03-2000, 02:11 PM   #3
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Hmm, I have heard all about this "lift-off oversteer" phenomenon, but I have never felt it. I drive a 88 Jetta 8v (read: weak). I'll take an on ramp at 50 mph and hit the brakes and the rear never loses grip. I mean, i do this intentionally and nothing happens. Maybe cause I have such mushy springs?
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Old 07-04-2000, 06:29 AM   #4
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Speaking of VW's, my girlfriend got a 00 jetta vr6. Thing has a lot of power, but it seems to always slip when I floor it from stop. Wheels shudder for a bit then take off. Makes me really appreciate the beauty of AWD compared to my rs which I got 2 weeks after hers.

On a side note, does anyone know if mods for a jetta my00 vr6 are easily accessible?
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Old 07-04-2000, 07:17 AM   #5
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Ragstlyz- The car is supposed to do that *Err* is "designed" that way. Its EDL- Electronic Differential Lock. This is actually a complete misnomer. Its a subsystem of the ABS that senses wheelspin and brakes the spinning wheel to force the differential to power the slipping wheel. What a crock... I used to be the BIGGEST VW fan. Calling this technology a differential lock is offensive to me. That's one of the principal reasons I have switched to the Subaru camp. They seem to be taking performance more seriously. Just some info for those who have heard comments that our viscous limited slip (in the manual trannys) is too simplistic- at least it's actually a limited slip (ha-ha)...

BTW- it does reduce wheelspin and helps us lousy American drivers keep our cars on the road LOL
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Old 07-04-2000, 10:14 AM   #6
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I still think VW's are good cars, a lil pricey, but still a good car. About their "slip differentials" (if that's what it's called), it just doesn't seem right after driving a RS. Putting power to one other wheel just doesn't seem as good as putting power to the other 3, IMHO. I'm so spoiled with AWD, I was driving in a heavy rain storm yesterday in the Jetta and I wasn't too comfortable considering I was used to the stability of my RS.

Just lovin my RS! Thanks for the info!

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Old 07-05-2000, 06:51 AM   #7
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Well, that's pretty much exactly what I was saying. The Golf is a great little car...for a FWD with a little engine. I'd much rather have the Impreza with its AWD, but the Golf was fun to drive. Don't know if I'd actually pick one up as a daily driver, but still...it's cute.

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Old 07-05-2000, 09:09 AM   #8
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The Golf's are alot of fun to drive, and VW's build quality blows Subaru's away.
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Old 07-05-2000, 09:46 AM   #9
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But Subrews rape the VWs in terms of reliabilities....
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