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Old 11-06-2003, 08:09 AM   #1
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Old 11-06-2003, 02:09 PM   #2
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Subaru model: '02 WRX Sedan

Mods: TXS Stage 4+

tire size: 225/45 - 17

tire model: Semperit Sport Grip (H-rated)

total cost: $444 shipped/set + local m/b $100 = $544

personal comments:
'03 is the first season on winter tires, just put them on yesterday. Grip is not as good as Bridgestone S-03's, but still very good when compared to stock. Less road noise than S-03 and stock RE-92's, comparible to Falken ST-115's in dry. Will post snow review when we get some in the Boston area.

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Old 11-06-2003, 07:52 PM   #3
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Subaru model: 02 WRX

Mods: a few

tire size: 205/55/16

tire model: Green Diamond somethings

total cost: ~$300 delivered last winter

personal comments: Very good tires, wearing OK though I've been very easy on them (apart from ice events). Took me through 4 ice events with no issues, though the car did not feel as confident nor as grippy as my old Audi 90q with Blizzaks.

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Old 11-07-2003, 10:56 AM   #4
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Subaru model: 2002 WRX Sedan

Mods: Let's call it "Vishnu stage 1 with lots of suspension mods"

tire size: 205/55/16

tire model: Dunlop Winter Sport M2

total cost: $190 used with 90% tread left

personal comments: Not going to bother commenting on anything other than snow performance, since they're snow tires. Will update when it snows.

EDIT: They seem about 30% better than RE92s in snow.

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Old 11-08-2003, 11:30 AM   #5
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Subaru model: 2002 WRX wagon

Mods: many, many

tire size: for winter its 205/55/16

tire model: Nokian Hakka NRW's

total cost: @$500 last year new

Personal comments: (15k mi) The NRW's (since replaced by the WR's) are simply the best all around winter tire available, in the same family as Blizzak LM-22's and Dunlop winter sport M2/M3's for winter performance (and just as good if not better) but with the added flexability of all season performance. If you do a lot of hwy driving and go through alot of changing climates its perfect. I found them unstopable in the snow and that was through last years winter in VT where we got a ton o snow.
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Old 11-10-2003, 11:10 AM   #6
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tire size: 195/60r15

tire model: Nokian Hakkapeliitta 1 (no studs)

total cost: $575 CDN

personal comments: I haven't had them long, so I don't know about snow yet (apparently their great). Stopping on wet surfacing they're better than the RE92's they replaced. On black ice they are not fantastic (studs are illegal in Ontario), but better than the RE92's. On dry pavement they're not as good as the RE92's. They are noisy, but it's not an irritating noise.
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Old 11-10-2003, 12:14 PM   #7
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1) Subaru model: 2002 WRX wagon

2) Mods: stock-o (unless you really call a K&N filter a mod....)

3) tire size: 205

4) tire model: Dunlop Wintersport M3

5) total cost:$597 (mounted/balanced/alligned)

6) personal comments: Well they're no S0-3 in the dry, but for a winter tire, they perform exceptionally well in all conditions I have encountered. Great in the dry; very nice in the rain; and teriffic on snow. After comparing all of the snow tires available on Tire Rack, I couldn't help but choose these. They were better in all the important catagories. Sure, they're kinda loud, but since my summer tires are S0-3s, I didn't even notice the difference. Wear is pretty good as well.

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Old 11-11-2003, 09:50 AM   #8
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Mods: Power - MBC, Control - Hawk pads, Powerslot rotors, Looks - small dent in front fender from falling tree branch

tire size: 205/55 - 16

tire model: Dunlop Graspic DS-1


total cost: ~ $425 ($75x4 for the tires plus shipping, $25x4 to mount and balance)

personal comments: Love 'em. I have them mounted on dedicated wheels (the stock ones), and they got me through the heaviest CT winter in years last year without any problems whatsoever. My rationale in buying them is that even the cheapest snow tires would rock when paired with AWD, and I was right.

Given their speed rating and warm(er) weather wear and handling characteristics (very 'squishy'), I'd only recommend using them on dedicated wheels...just in case you need to remove them during a warm spell in the middle of January.
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Old 11-12-2003, 03:48 PM   #9
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225/45/17 V-rated Hankook IceBear W300.

Cost (projected, havn't bought them yet but just a matter of time): 99 each, on the car out the door 500.

Seems like the general trend is the cheapest tires that could make it through. Kaiser pretty much said it all:
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Old 11-13-2003, 07:18 PM   #10
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Subaru model: 2002 WRX Sedan

Mods: SPT Suspension

tire size: 205/55/R16

tire model: Dunlop Winter Sport M3

total cost: $475 (370 tires, 30 shipping, 75 mount&balance)

personal comments:

On the dry they do fine, and seem to be quieter than my RE92s.
I had to pump them up to ~35 to get decent performance dry.

I've driven through a couple storms, and these tires just GRIP. Snow traction is far beyond what I expected. I had to drive ~500 miles on snow-covered roads in Montana and Idaho, and never felt the car slip. Stopping power on ice is nil, but that is par for any non-studded tire.

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Old 11-16-2003, 05:33 PM   #11
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Model: WRX wagon
Mods: SPT suspension, STi lateral/trailing links, STi control arm bushings, Cusco Type II lower brace, Subaru 4-pots
Tire size: stock (205-55-16)
Tire model: Nokian WR
Total cost: $655 to my door

So far, so fabulous. I put them on about three weeks ago, and have been through conditions ranging from 60 and sunny, to 30 and snowing, including having to brake and accelerate on an icy bridge that was the scene of a four-car boom session. The WRs have performed exceptionally well in all conditions, far better in the non-winter conditions than my previous winter tire, the Blizzak WS-series. Above 80 mph, it's no contest. Where the Blizzak felt rather insecure/uncertain, the WR just rolls, smooth, predictable and confident.

So far, I love these tires.

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Old 11-17-2003, 07:07 AM   #12
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Subaru model: WRX STi

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tire size: 225/45-17

tire model: Nokian WR - V Rated

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There is initial squirmyness and lack of directional stability under acceleration, as with any new tire, but that diminishes after a few hundred miles and the WRs feel more stable than Dunlop M2s. The tire behavior is also improved by bumping up the pressure 2-4 psi all around to stiffen them up. Cornering grip is quite good, and you'll only lose about 10 mph in maximum ramp speed (at below freezing temperatures!). The tires also feel solid and quiet when you choose to test the V rated limit. Rain performance is outstanding, better than the Toyo T1-S. No snow data yet.
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Old 11-17-2003, 08:43 AM   #13
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tire model:Conti Extreme contact

total cost:$380

personal comments:Just put them on this weekend (damm its almost winter!) so far you can definitly tell theres not as much traction as my summer tires but they are quieter. Still a big improvement over the RE92's.
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Old 11-17-2003, 06:07 PM   #14
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tire size: 225/60R16

tire model: nokian hakka Q

total cost: 4 tires and steel rims = 825.00

personal comments: went thru our first storm of the winter last week with these....amazing. that was my first thought with these tires. these tires grab the road and don't let go. not once did i even feel close to loosing control. tried to make the anti-lock brakes come on, couldn't do it. these are serious winter tires. they grip good in the rain too. as far as road noise goes they are not that bad for a winter tire only a little louder than the stock tires, nothing serious.
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Old 11-18-2003, 08:52 AM   #15
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I found them unstopable in the snow and that was through last years winter in VT where we got a ton o snow.
personally, I like to be able to stop in the snow
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Old 11-22-2003, 10:57 AM   #16
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Old 11-23-2003, 10:51 AM   #17
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Subaru model: 2004 2.5TS wagon

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Tire size: Winter; 195/60x15 Summer; 205/55x16

Tire model: Blizzak MZ-02

Total cost: $156.00 (plus tax)

Comments: great tyres, lots of control.
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Old 11-23-2003, 10:18 PM   #18
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tire size: 205/55/16

tire model: Dunlop Winter Sport M2

total cost: $375

personal comments: I've used these tires for 1 Winter on a BMW 328i, and 1 Winter on the Rex. They act like an all-season tire on the road - not squirmy or noisy like other dedicated Winter tires I've used. Snow & ice performance is good, but not spectacular. A great tire if you put on lots of highway miles in the Winter, but want something better than an all-season tire for the nasty weather.

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Old 11-24-2003, 03:56 PM   #19
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Mods: mud flaps

tire size: 205/55/16

tire model: Toyo Garrit HT

total cost: $550 cdn

personal comments:
Great tires, handle great on ice and deep snow. Also handle really well on dry surface, but start to handle mushy around +10C.
Very quiet, equal or less then the stock RE92's, handling better or equal to RE92's when cold and dry road surface.
Drove 2 winter rally's in them, very confident snow handling.
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Old 11-25-2003, 09:44 PM   #20
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tire size: 195/65R15

tire model: Michelin Arctic-Alpin

total cost: $280 (or so, going by memory)

personal comments: Have used these two seasons up in New England, including lots of trips to mountains. Much better grip than RE-92's in snow/ice, so if you're wondering, get snow tires.

Compared to other snows I've used: Very good grip on acceleration, and good braking. They seem to have less lateral grip, not really biting at all if they slide sideways. May not be the best for ice racing. Relatively quiet and decent grip on dry roads, and good wear so far. Ice, slush and packed snow not a problem. Not the best at very deep snow (over a foot). The bazillion sipes (grooves) in the treads pick up a ton of pebbles, but I think of them as free studs. Overall - a good choice for 'normal' winter driving on bare roads, with some ice and plowed snow being a regular occurance.

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Old 11-26-2003, 10:18 AM   #21
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tire model: Nokian NRW

total cost: $625 mounted and balanced on stock rims.

personal comments: These were a godsend when we had our first snow. I was caught during that snow on the stock RE040 tires, and they were DOWNRIGHT SCARY! I’m talking 40mph MAX with the hazard flashers on! With the NRW’s, it is certainly driveable. I wanted the M3's, but they were unavailable and seemed like they may not be available for some time. The NRW’s are great “all season” tires. They are fine on the dry, the wet, and the snow. On ice they are OK. They are not what I would call a winter-specific tire. I had Green Diamond Alpins on my WRX last winter and they were GREAT winter-specific tires. Likewise, I have blizzaks on my other car and they are great winter-specific tires. But the NRW’s are better on dry roads, which is important since I roll on highway miles during the winter.
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Old 11-26-2003, 01:36 PM   #22
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Tire size: 205/55/16

Tire model: Nokian WR

Total cost: $960.00 Cdn (mounted, balanced, tax included)

Comments: As someone else mentioned, a little squirrely at first, but quickly settle in once you get a few km on them. Amazing in the rain. Took them up to the mountains when the first snow hit, and they gripped like crazy. Perfect snow tire for Northwest US/Western Canadian weather.
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Old 11-26-2003, 02:24 PM   #23
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These are the best snowtires (non-studded) I have ever used on the snow (especially considering the winter we had last year). Powder, slush or ice, these things handled like champs. You could easily get the car sideways when wanted, but as soon as you let off the gas, the car straightens right out. Not great on dry pavement, would keep it under 80 mph, but not much road noise, and no squealing during hard cornering. I would say a little pricey, but these bad boys got me out of quite a few jams (and saved me from hitting a guard rail (3 times in 3 different spots on the same road) while driving down a steep hill on an ice covered road.

Oh, and they have the "severe snow conditions" or whatever its called rating.
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Old 11-28-2003, 11:39 AM   #24
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I didn't know this came in a snow tire version. Or did you put this review in the wrong thread?
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Old 11-30-2003, 02:36 AM   #25
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tire model: nokian hakka Q

total cost: 4 tires, mounting, tax = 389.00

personal comments: I got four of these last winter. It takes several miles (over 200 for me) to wear off the nubbings from the tire molds. I believe this is what makes these tires feel squirly at first. Once they are broken in they are a great tire in snow, rain and slush. I have yet to skid or slip with these tires unless I provoke them. On the dry they are not much noiser than summer tires and handle nicely. I have had them up to .6g in a sweeper with no problems. Still, they are a snow tire and I wouldn't try racing on drive pavement with them. I put over 10k on them last winter and they still look almost new. I've had Blizzaks in the past and loved them for the first year and a little but then they turned into all season tires. The hakka Q's are almost as good as new Blizzaks and I'm sure they will keep running that way for three or four more years. Something the Blizzaks didn't do.
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