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Old 01-22-2004, 03:16 PM   #51
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Subaru model: 04 STI

Mods: Stock

tire size: 225/45/17

tire model: Nokian WR

total cost: 680 mounted & balanced

personal comments: The WR (like it predecessor the NRW) is actually considered an all season tire but is snow certified (whatever that means!). Great offseason tire if you have to worry about snow but is better behaved on dry pavement then any snow tire I've driven on. In the dry it lacks the vagueness most snow tires have (especially at increased highway speeds). In the snow they inspire confidence and have excellent lateral grip as well as stopping ability. Good feedback.

I had NRWs on my acura and loved the tire in that application as well. For the type of winters we have here in PA the tire is perfect. It has inspired extreme brand loyalty from me. Nothin' but Nokians for my cars in the winter time!

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Old 01-26-2004, 08:34 AM   #52
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Subaru model: 00 RS Coupe

Mods: Stock

tire size: 205/55/16 on stock RS wheels

tire model: Dunlop WinterSport M3

total cost: $414 shipped from Tirerack, $40 mounted @ Costco

personal comments: I have only had 50 miles on the tires so the only driving condition is on dry highway (although very cold @10F). Tires feels a bit soft right now (pumped them up to 32-33 PSI, perhaps like other said it would get stiffer as mileage builds up). Stupid Costco people only put 26 psi on them and I had to pump them up to 32-33 last night. I will check later again the pressure in them...
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Old 01-26-2004, 09:25 AM   #53
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Subaru model: WRX wagon

Mods: SPT suspension package, TXS Utec stg 1 + uppipe

tire size: 225/50/16

tire model: Dunlop Graspic DS-1
total cost: bought them slightly used (less than 1k on them)

personal comments:

Running them on 00 RS rims. Not too impressed with them. Terrible in the dry -- the typical mushy snow tire feel, and torque steer when I gun it.

Not great in snow either. Ok grip starting and stopping, but I still feel like I'm sliding around in turns, especially in the slushy stuff. They certainly don't inspire confidence like my WS-50's did on my old Accord -- perhaps b/c those tires were 195 width.

Overall, not the greatest. If it's going to suck in the dry, I expect it to kick butt in the snow, which they don't.
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Old 01-26-2004, 08:52 PM   #54
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Subaru model: '04 WRX STi

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tire size: 225/45R17

tire model: Pirelli Winter 210 SnowSport

total cost: $600

Very impressed with these in the dry. First of all, they are quieter than the stock Bridgestone summer tires and provide a softer, more compliant ride. Under hard braking they will squeal a bit, but on fast sweeping turns they stick much better than expected with just a little bit of a floaty feel. Under full throttle acceleration from standstill they "hunt" a little. With full summer tires I might drive at 85-90% on most turns, with these I can drive 85% comfortably, they provide very good feedback and are progressive in the way they begin to slide as traction goes away.

The best part, though, is that they work very well in snow. We had 5 or 6" of dry stuff here overnight and I pulled out of my unplowed parking spot easily with no digging required. Highly recommended for the STi, I would definitely buy these again.
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Old 01-27-2004, 11:30 AM   #55
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Subaru model: 02 WRX wagon

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tire size: 205/55/16 on stock wheels

tire model: Dunlop WinterSport M3

total cost: $92/tire from tirerack

personal comments: I really like these tires. they are better on dry road than the stock tires. today was my first time driving in unplowed snow, and I am impressed. these tires inspire more confidence than the Michelin Artic Alpins my wife has on her Prelude.
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Old 01-31-2004, 06:01 PM   #56
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Model: 2003 WRX Sedan

Mods: Just some different wheels and tires for summer. Had Prodrive springs but removed them for now.

Tire Size: 205/55/16

Tire model: Nokian Hakka Q

Price: $925 Canadian out the door.

Comments:
Probably the best snow tire I've ever owned. They give lots of notice of loss of grip. Provide excellent fwd bite, braking and lateral control. Noise level on a dry surface is up a bit but not enough to matter. I like the softer sidewall and increased slip angle when the roads are full of ice ruts . Only time will tell if the level of performance will remain for a few winters.
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Old 01-31-2004, 11:52 PM   #57
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Originally posted by AcquaCow
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tire model: Dunlop Winter Sport M3

The first 1000mi they are pretty quiet. Unlike most tires where the tread width is constant and any road noise is constant, the M3's have a dynamic-width tread that gets wider and shorter the whole way around the tire which causes the noise to oscillate. Kinda neet to listen to between 30-50mph, but only for the first few days, then it starts to get annoying when you are trying to talk to people. At highway speeds they are very nice, but still loud.
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I would like to retract the above statement & description. Said noise was a wheel bearing going. Bearing started to go 500mi into the tire life. *shrug*

Will re-review once I get it fixed.

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Old 02-01-2004, 12:01 AM   #58
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Subaru model: 2002 WRX sedan - 5 speed

Mods: Unichip/exhaust/ground control springs + koni shocks

tire size: 205 55/16 HR on stock rims

tire model: Semperit Sport Grip

total cost: $56 each from www.tiresavings.com + $40 mount & balance.

personal comments: For a winter tire, these tires are really good on the highway and in overall handling both wet and dry. Other snow tires I've driven on ( Pirelli Winter S) get really unstable about 70 MPH. These are rock solid at 80 + and I've had them over 100 without having to think about their stability.

The trade off is that they are not the best tire in the snow, but for the DC area, with an AWD car, it's more than enough. I definitely can't keep up with people in SUV's when there is 4 or 5 inches unplowed on the road. I can feel the car start to get unstable and have to keep the speed down.
But when it's just a light covering of snow and slush they are pretty good. Far better than RE92's ( just make sure to pull the ABS fuse ! ) The problem is they just don't dig deep when there is a lot of snow out.

On ice they are not too good. Overall, for $56 each, it's a good deal. FOr the 90% of the time the roads are clear they are very good and for the 10% of the time the roads are bad they will get you through. Just have to use some care.

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Old 02-03-2004, 01:33 PM   #59
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Just got my winter weels (ASA KA3's - $289 brand new off ebay) and am running the following:

Subaru model: 2004 STI

Mods: None (yet...)

tire size: 225/45/17

tire model: Bridgestone Blizzak WS-05

total cost: $865 for wheels, lug nuts, tires and balancing

personal comments: I'm praying for more snow. Wish I had 'em last week......
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Old 02-05-2004, 07:02 PM   #60
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Mods: Perrin Uppipe, Samco intercooler hoses

tire size: Stock 16's

tire model: Goodyear Ultra Grip Ice

total cost: $525 installed

personal comments: I got these a week after I slid off the road in my stock RE92's. I absolutely love the grip these things have on the snow and ice, and have spent several hours just fooling around in the local church parking lot. On the highway, though, they suck. Around 80 mph, I feel like I'm floating, and 90mph is scary. They're only rated to 100mph (Q rating, if I remember right), but the road noise on them isn't that noticeable. The only reason I got them was that I couldn't get the Winter Sport M3's in time and wanted to have snow tires on ASAP. I probably won't buy another set simply because I do a lot of highway driving.
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Old 02-08-2004, 07:28 AM   #61
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Subaru model: '02 WRX Wagon

Mods: Turboback, H&R Springs

tire size: 205/55 - 16

tire model: Semperit Sport Grip (H-rated)

total cost: Significantly cheaper than the Michelin Arctic Alpin

personal comments: I'm very, very satisfied with these tires. I haven't tried any extreme cornering with them, but they seem fine on dry pavement, are quiet, and are stable and comfortable to drive on the autobahn at 120mph. I've done a lot of driving on snow with them, and they have excellent grip on snow, and much better on ice than all season tires. The German automobile association, ADAC, did a comprehensive test on a large selection of winter tires, and the best performing ones were the Michelin Arctic Alpin and the Semperit Sport Grips.
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Old 02-10-2004, 07:13 PM   #62
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i've had these for 4 months of some of the worst winter in these parts for a long time. i wanted to drive them for awhile before posting. here goes:

subaru: '02 wrx sedan

mods: cobb stage 2, eibach pro kit, kartboy links, cusco sway bars

size: 205/55/16

model: dunlop wintersport m3

cost: aprox $400 from tire rack

comments: i changed over from 17" z rated summer tires so there was an initial transion period. turn in seemed pretty squishy at first (on par with re 92 on dry pavement). of course, more quiet and comfortable than 17" summer tires. tremendous improvement over re-92 on snow and ice. i have practiced in the local parking lots after the multiple snows and can accelerate through turns and brake with confidence. this truely is a world of difference versus all-seasons i've ridden on my audi's (conti's, dunlop's, pirelli's) and of course re-92's on the rex. a highly predictable good performance winter tire i'd buy again. 10k miles and no noticable tred ware or change in noise/performance. 17" Yoko avs100's going back on in a month....but the winter has been a gas!
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Old 02-13-2004, 05:29 PM   #63
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subaru: '02 wrx sedan

mods: bone freakin' stock

size: 205/55/16

model: dunlop wintersport m2

cost: aprox $400 from tire rack (including shipping)

I've had these on since right around thanksgiving weekend, but I wanted to run on them for a while before posting. My summer tires are Potenza SO-3 17-inch, and I was surprised at how much quieter the M2s were, and they don't seem to be getting louder as they wear. The grip is superb in 3"-4" of powdery snow. My house is located at the top of a very steep concrete-paved private road, and going down is much more pucker-inducing than coming up. My driveway resembles a ski-jump, only with oak trees in the landing area.

With the M2s on the Subie has gone all winter without once being left at the bottom of the hill, which was a regular occurence with the RE-92s. Going down the hill in fresh snow you can crawl down in 1st gear with just a little light pressure on the brake pedal, and no slipping at all. Coming up you can actually spin all 4 wheels for fun without fear of losing momentum.

IN short, I'm very pleased with the snow grip and the ride quality/noise, and they don't seem to be wearing very quickly at all, I'll probably get several seasons out of them if I don't break down and trade for an STI


In the wet/dry they seem to perform marginally better than RE-92s.
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Old 02-15-2004, 03:30 PM   #64
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Tire size: stock

Tire model: Continental Coni Extreme

Total cost: $600.00 mounted on stock rims

Personal comments:
The Continental Coni Extreme tires I put on my STI are GREAT! I drove in one snow storm with the stock tires and I felt a lot like I was a stick of butter driving in a frying pan.
Given the cost and the heavy snow / dry traction, I would say that these tires are the best value per dollar tires around for winter driving.
I looked around a lot before buying, and I suggest to anyone who is interested in winter tires check out TireRacks information on the tires available. The ratings have proven to be accurate in my opinion.
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Old 02-17-2004, 02:58 PM   #65
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2004 Sti,Stock,225-45-17,Continental ExtremeContact,$465(all 4 shipped),awesome combination of performance and winter traction,IMO great winter tire for the city
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Old 02-23-2004, 10:56 PM   #66
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Subaru model: 02 WRX Wagon

Mods: Vishnu Turboback Exhaust

tire size: 205/55/16

tire model: Nokian Hakkapellitta 1 (unstudded)

total cost: $400 USD used with 1,000 miles

personal comments:

These are great handling winter tires. They are marginally more squirmy than RE92s but handle hard inputs (brake and steering) very sportingly. They are also good on the highway, giving you plenty of confidence at just about any speed the WRX will go. 110 mph is no problem. They handle slush like nobody's business - if you have to change lane over centerlane slush at high speed, these tires make no biggie out of the slush pile. They've got serious snow grip man. They're also very very good in the wet, especially when its cold. I couldn't complain about anything about this tire performance wise.

Really, the only drawback to these tires is that they're loud - even for a snow tire. The howling begins at about 35 mph and at 100 mph they sound like 4 ghosts under the car.
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Old 03-01-2004, 03:13 PM   #67
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Subaru Model: 02 WRX Sedan

Mods: ScoobySport cat-back

Tire Size: 205/55/16

Tire Model: Nokian WR V-rated

Total Cost: 555 USD mounted & balanced

Comments:

I was looking for a tire that could withstand some desert punishment and provide a good ride on the pavement. I did a lot of research and picked the WR over a rally tire. On a dirt road, they have phenomenal grip - too much grip, acutally.

Compared to RE-092s they have much better wet weather performance and good-enough feedback on the dry. I haven't checked them on the snow yet. Very quiet and stable at high speeds. I'd buy these over any snow tires, especially since it has a 40K mile tread wear warranty - even in desert heat!!
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Old 03-01-2004, 10:05 PM   #68
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Subaru Model: 2004 WRX STi

Mods: Flaps, scoop screen, and ski rack

Tire Size: 225/45/17

Tire Model: Nokian Hakka 2's un-studded

Total Cost: 700 USD mounted & balanced

Comments:

The best snow tire I have ever owned. Probably overkill for the few big storm PA winters. A little squirmy( T-rated), but not bad. Stopping on snow and ice is excellent. For how aggressive the tires is, they are pretty quiet, especially compared to the Sti's OEM tires. The seem to be holding up pretty well. I've driven through 8" of unplowed snow with ease. I see no reason why I couldn t push snow over the bumper with these tires & the Sti's drivetrain. The only downside, they inspire alot of confidence, they are great, but not a miracle.
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Old 03-02-2004, 10:55 AM   #69
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Subaru: '03 WRX wagon
Size: 205/55-16
Model: Bridgestone Blizzak LM-22
Cost: Whatever the Tire Rack price is, I forget. Why would you buy them anywhere else anyway?

Comments:
Outstanding on slush, as good or better than any other snow tire I've used. Very good in rain.

Sub-standard in all other conditions, including ice, snow, and dry pavement. Does not even approach the snow/ice grip of other Blizzaks ( WS-50, WS-15, MZ-02 ) I've had. Still better than any all-season, but not by much, and not nearly enough to make them worthwhile.
The LM-22 isn't that much better on dry pavement than real Blizzaks, either. Noticably, but far from eye-opening.

Conclusion:
Do not confuse the LM-22 with a real snow tire. It's a half-breed between an all-season and a snow tire ( which may be exactly what some people need ).
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Old 03-07-2004, 12:55 PM   #70
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Subaru model: 2004 WRX

Mods: Mud guards

tire size: 205/55/16

tire model: Blizzak WS-50

total cost: $500

personal comments:

I've driven on Hakka Q's and BFG Winter Slaloms, and the WS-50 definately delivers on it's promise on excellent ice gripping power. By far these are the best non-studded winter tires I've had for providing safe traction on ice. These tires are very good on slick freezing rain, icy conditions.

In deep snow, the Hakka Q's tend to fair slighly better as it seems that the Hakkas can dig through the deep snow and slush better. The side walls are very soft on the WS-50's and highway driving shows how soft the sidewalls are, as the car wanders slighly. The durability of the tire seems satisfactory, but I would definately recommend minimizing long periods of warm dry weather driving on these tires. Overall a very good winter tire.
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Old 03-08-2004, 12:20 PM   #71
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Subaru model: 2004 WRX STi

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tire size: 225/45/17

tire model: Bridgestone Blizzak LM-22

total cost: $1100 with set of Rota Tarmac II's

personal comments:

In the Snow: With the DCCD in lock this car is a beast in the snow! These tires seem to perform best on hardpack snow.

In the Wet: These tires have excellent wet traction minimal aquaplanning.

In the Dry: They are ok feel mushy if pushed, break away is progressive.

Bottom line: I wouldn't think of another winter without snow tires. The Blizzak LM-22 seems a good fit for the STi. It's no AutoX tire but in the snow it flat grips.
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Old 03-08-2004, 01:42 PM   #72
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Subaru model: 2003 WRX wagon

Mods: Cobb stage 2, stiffened endlinks

tire size: 205/55/16

tire model: Nokian WR

total cost: $135 each including mount/balance

personal comments: Made it through a MD winter with no trouble! Lots of highway driving in the snow, while other DC-drivers cower in the slow lane at 35 mph I was cruising along at 70 with no fear, they feel very stable. Changing lanes at speed wasn't a problem. They handled deep snow like champs as well, on two trips to WV where they get real snow. Parking lot drifting takes extra effort now, though, they just don't want to break loose! Also, I do a lot of driving on dry roads and it wasn't a miserable experience - they don't have the stickyness of my summer tires, but for the most part I didn't even think twice about driving hard on my winter tires.

Bought these tires for many reasons, but I'm also excited by the fact that they won't die on me in warm weather, (unlike other soft-rubber compound tires) which means they'll be serving dual-duty as my rallyX tires this summer!
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Old 03-09-2004, 02:24 PM   #73
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Subaru model: 02 WRX

Mods: ACT Street Clutch, Whiteline steering bushings, NEO oil 20% tint

tire size: stock

tire model: Nokian WR

total cost: ~600

personal comments: The Nokian WR's are the best tire I have ever driven on. Through sow a et is like driving on rails. They are considerably quieter than the RE92s and I have 100% confidence in their performance.

I am now a Nokian customer for life, and my mountain bike!
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Old 03-15-2004, 01:32 AM   #74
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Default Re: NASIOC winter tire reviews .... please play along

Subaru model:
2002 WRX Wagon

Mods:
Moderately modded for STX autocross (I don't race on these tires, it hasn't snowed at the autocross yet

tire size:
215/55/16

tire model:
Dunlop Wintersport M3

total cost:
about $450 plus mounting (plus another $118 to replace the one that got destroyed when I ran over something last week, don't know what I hit, but it tore a hole in the sidewall, not the tires fault.)

personal comments:
Pretty good tire on dry pavement, excellent tire when conditions deteriorate. Not nearly as loud as my summer tires (Yokohama AVS ES100's on 17" rims) they are also a more comfortable ride. They are about a million times better everywhere than re92's. I do almost all of my driving on mountain roads and work at a ski area at the end of a narrow, crappy road, so I know a bit about what works in snow and these tires are awesome.
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Old 03-19-2004, 01:28 PM   #75
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