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Old 11-08-2003, 01:57 PM   #1
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Question Is there Subaru specific antifreeze ?

I need to change my coolant for my 30000 mile service. Here's what the service manual says on page RM-4

" 5. COOLANT. Use the genuine coolant to protect the engine. Recommended: SUBARU Coolant. Item Number 000016218 Alternative: NONE "

I went down to Fitzgerald Gaithersburg to pick it up this morning. The parts guy looks at the computer screen, gets his info then goes to the back. Rummages around for a few minutes, comes back and says 'there is no specific Subaru coolant '

I said, ' well the service manual says there is one " .... He says we just use " regular green coolant. "

Does anyone know if there is actually a Subaru specific coolant or can I just use off the shelf stuff like I've always done on my other cars ? Shouldn't the parts guy be able to tell me the minute I asked him " there is no Subaru coolant" without even looking at his computer screen ? People must ask about this all the time.

Is SUBARU coolant just a private labeled regular coolant invented to make money for the dealer ?

Or, if there is a genuine Subaru coolant and the dealer doesn't know about it or doesn't want to sell it to me, where can I get it ?


I've used off the shelf stuff in my Mustang (iron block and heads) and my BMW ( iron block, aluminum head) for years, but this is a 'new' car and I don't want to put in anything except the factory recommended stuff.

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Old 11-08-2003, 02:56 PM   #2
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There should actually be subaru coolant. I don't know much about it but I am sure it exists.
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Old 11-08-2003, 03:06 PM   #3
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Yes there is.

its green, but a much deeper green color, probably the same as other green coolants.

Its available at your subaru dealer only

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Old 11-08-2003, 03:49 PM   #4
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yea 10 dollars a gallon.. needs to mixed 50/50 water when you get it.

I saw tachih had it.

Scre wfitz in gaitehrsburg, go down to rockville, they know what it is.
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Old 11-08-2003, 04:19 PM   #5
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Don't even bother to go to Fitz in Gaithersburg for parts. I had to explain to the parts guy there that my WRX had a turbo when he didn't know how to find the little plugs for the cover over the boost control solenoid. I thought for a minute that I had walked into a Dodge dealership by mistake because they didn't seem to know much about Subarus. Going to Rockville would be a better idea.

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Old 11-08-2003, 06:46 PM   #6
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What is the harm in using off the shelf coolant.

Can there be much difference from the higher end non corrosive coolant?

Thanks
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Old 11-08-2003, 06:55 PM   #7
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Subaru makes coolant...

SOA868V9210 / SOA635002

We use Subaru's coolant, brake fluid, ATF and throttle body cleaner.
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Old 11-08-2003, 06:58 PM   #8
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Anybody care to explain the difference between them since its not exactly like comparing the old green antifreeze to the RV antifreeze or the new orange stuff. What makes this so special?
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Old 11-08-2003, 10:16 PM   #9
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If there is a recommended Subaru coolant for the WRX, that is interesting. I changed the coolant on my 02 LL Bean Outback, and the manual only called for a general type of coolant. I got the light green Prestone stuff. The old coolant was definitely a darker green (not dirty, but actually "darker" green).

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Old 11-09-2003, 03:23 PM   #10
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What is the harm in using off the shelf coolant.

Can there be much difference from the higher end non corrosive coolant?

Thanks
Justin
yes, I would like to know the difference (if there is one).
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Old 11-10-2003, 08:49 AM   #11
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I can't imagine what kind of differences there could be between the Subaru and the others. Color may varied because everyone wants theirs to stand out. The purpose is to cool the engine and there are only several ways to do it. The engine block, hose and radiator's material are still about the same so why would any off-of-the-shelve coolant be not recommended?

It cools, prevents rust and deposit build up. Those are the only things it should do well. It could be clear as water for all I care.

I'd be really surprised if Subaru really produce their own coolants and not just brand it. Spending the money into R&D just to sell their own coolants is not the corporate mentality these days.
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Old 11-10-2003, 10:00 AM   #12
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Subaru coolant no silicates or phosphates, they found out that those additives hurt water seals over 25-30k miles. If you don't use Subaru coolant make sure you use one with NO phospates or silicates. However you will find most coolant out there has both of these, and should not be used in Subaru's. There is more info about this in service and maintence.
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Old 11-10-2003, 01:37 PM   #13
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However you will find most coolant out there has both of these, and should not be used in Subaru's
That's real interesting. If you recall in my original post the parts department guy said " we just use regular green coolant" since they didn't have the SUBARU coolant.

Well I guess that can drum up some business fixing water pump leaks, etc down the road.

So if the stuff exists, and the DEALER doesn't have it, where do I get it...... do I have to Mail Order coolant

BTW, I already purchased prestone but I'm willing to take it back after I read the label.....

I know they have SUBARU brake fluid, but as long as I meet the spec DOT 3 (or DOT4) I'm OK and for the tranny and rear end GL-5 is the spec. Does coolant have some kind of SAE or NIST or ISO or TUV spec's or something I should look for ?

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EDIT: Just read the service & maintenance forum. Looks like I'm not supposed to use Prestone. I'll save that for my 2002. So what brands can I use....... anybody know ?

I might end up going to a different SUBARU dealer to try and find the correct coolant, but it's not like there's one on every corner.

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Old 11-10-2003, 01:59 PM   #14
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I got the subaru coolant from the dealer in leesburg, but i guess thats not to close to you. I suppose either call around to find a local dealer that carries it or mail order it. I think someone in service and maintnance said toyota coolant also has no silicates or phospates.
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Old 11-10-2003, 04:21 PM   #15
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Thanks, maybe I'll go down to the Rockville dealer on the weekend.

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Old 11-10-2003, 04:41 PM   #16
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Thanks, maybe I'll go down to the Rockville dealer on the weekend.

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Gonz, if you know you'll be at B&N this week, and if I definitely go, I can pick it up while I'm at work and bring it on Friday. Let me know if you like that idea, or just want to go down there on the weekend.

Anyone know what a gallon of it costs? (Do we need more than one gallon for our cars? I don't know how much it takes in this car.)
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Old 11-10-2003, 08:06 PM   #17
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Old 11-11-2003, 10:30 AM   #18
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Is it me, or it is their webpage??? I clicked on the item to add it, but when I go to check out my 'cart' is empty.
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Old 11-11-2003, 12:30 PM   #19
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Jim, thanks for the offer.

That would be cool but I am going to stop by Fitzgerald tonight after work... ..... so hopefully I can pick it up !

I believe the coolant capacity is 8.1 quarts 1/2 coolant, 1/2 distilled water (no minerals).

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Old 11-11-2003, 12:44 PM   #20
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Cool, no problem. I wasn't sure how late their parts department was open during the week, so I thought I'd offer.

Do you know how much it costs per gallon?
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Old 11-11-2003, 12:54 PM   #21
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I spoke with Fitzgerald Rockville.......... they don't have it. The parts guys suggested i use regular non-reconstituted green coolant. That's what they use.

Tisher Subaru in Silver Spring has it. $8.60 for a gallon. Not much different than what other coolants cost and I won't regret miles down the road.

Guess I know what I'm doing at lunch time
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Old 11-11-2003, 12:55 PM   #22
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Have a fun drive over.
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Old 11-11-2003, 01:55 PM   #23
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actually, it was about 10 miles from here (Columbia MD)

It's actually $13.65 not $8.60 that I was quoted on the phone. Anyway I picked up oil drain plug gasket and transmission drain gasket while I was there.

So to answer my own question. THer is a SUBARU coolant, although few of the dealers seem to use it or sell it !

thanks for all the feedback.


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Old 11-11-2003, 03:26 PM   #24
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Subaru coolant no silicates or phosphates, they found out that those additives hurt water seals over 25-30k miles. If you don't use Subaru coolant make sure you use one with NO phospates or silicates. However you will find most coolant out there has both of these, and should not be used in Subaru's. There is more info about this in service and maintence.
^what he said.

I read up on this a good deal before doing my 30k service. I decided it best to go with Subaru brand coolant.

btw, Ive got a mostly-full bottle if ya want it.
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Old 11-11-2003, 08:56 PM   #25
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the GM DEX-cool stuff will work fine.
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