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Old 10-12-2000, 04:58 PM   #1
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Some 17 year old kid pulled up behind me today in a V-Tec wanting to race, so i gave him a little run down the road. I guess he wanted to show off so bad he wasn't aware that traffic was still pretty bad, so he cut around some people while I merged carefully at the bottom of the hill we were zooming down.
At the next light, I pulled up next to him and just smiled, figuring he would say, "No traffic now, let's drag from the light." Instead he looked over, smirking, and his friend smirked too, and he goes, "What happened, huh? What happened?"
I gave a grin though I was seething inside. I wanted to say, "What happened was I don't drive like an ---hole in traffic."
We made it to the next light in exactly the same time, even though there were more cars in my lane and I had to stop sooner.
It just makes me laugh to think people who drive those things think it gives them a license to be rude drivers.
You can race with class, and without getting in anyone's way.
No wonder we call them Honduhs !!!
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Old 10-12-2000, 05:17 PM   #2
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Were your car and his car both stalked? Which Vtec? The Civic Si Coupe or the Prelude Type SH? I can almost guarentee the Prelude can burn you anyday if both your car is stalked and the Civic Si will win but not by alot.
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Old 10-12-2000, 05:41 PM   #3
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Good for you for showing restraint & not endangering others!
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Old 10-12-2000, 05:50 PM   #4
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stalked? you mean STOCK? hehe, btw, if it was an Si and this was in traffic i dont think itd win too easily, stock vs stock

and remember, you're talkin to an audience of which a large percentage consist of former honda drivers.... hehe

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Old 10-12-2000, 05:55 PM   #5
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Well they were going on head to head I would expect the street to be pretty far down the road. I would expect both of them kickin into 3rd gear and eventually stoping right behind the cars infront of them. Remember just because it's a Honda doesn't mean it wasn't well build. Although I hate Civics and Accords the Civic Si Coupe would give the 2.5RS a good run.
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Old 10-12-2000, 05:56 PM   #6
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Subi Chick... I think Supaman is afraid Hondas are stalking your car. I guess Preludes are prone to stalking, and after catching a Subaru, burning them. Be careful out there!!!

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Old 10-12-2000, 05:58 PM   #7
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So what? You get the point no need to make fun of that word. Anyways, you know the Prelude can beat a 2.5RS anyday if both of the were STOCK.
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Old 10-12-2000, 06:21 PM   #8
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Not in stoplight racing...impreza is the fastest car off the line in its class...although the time prelude gets into its powerband in the 3rd gear it would probably pull ahead...granted that isnt until about 65-70mph...then VTECH

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Old 10-12-2000, 06:23 PM   #9
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what kind of honda vtec was it, just out of curiousity? integra? prelude? civic? come on ya cant leave us hangin like this

im gonna assume an si cuz an RS would have trouble hangin with a GS-R or any VTEC prelude, last generation or current generation.

and yes we all know that a VTEC prelude would take out the RS in a straight line race thats pretty much a no brainer (they'd have to have enough room though to catch up cuz the RS does have a better 0 to 50), also a prelude wouldnt be able to touch an rs in an auto x course, they cant handle worth a *****!



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Old 10-12-2000, 07:22 PM   #10
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I believe both the Prelude Type SH and Civic Si have quicker 0-60 times than the RS. Partially due to the fact that the 2 Hondas are still in 2nd gear at 60 and the RS is in 3rd. I could be wrong about the Si though.
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Old 10-12-2000, 07:25 PM   #11
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Gonna add my $0.02 here...

An automatic tranny prelude will get roasted by an RS (5 spd or auto)...only in the higher rpms would the vtec kick in and then the RS will lose.

How do I know? Because I consistently beat my friend's auto prelude with my auto RS.
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Old 10-12-2000, 07:30 PM   #12
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Something similar happened today in traffic to me!
But it was not a V-Tech, civic or prelude, it was a Type-R/V-Tech CR-V!

I didn't know that there was a CR-V Type-R with a V-Tech!

Oh ya, he got nailed by the cops!
While I cruised with a cool head!

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Old 10-12-2000, 07:31 PM   #13
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Guys, guys, it's VTEC. V-Tech makes cheap cordless phones!
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Old 10-12-2000, 08:36 PM   #14
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Ugh, I finally broke down and had to register. I have been visiting the board for quite some time now but just had to get involved. I've been looking at the new Impreza and am thoroughly imprezzed. But now I read of a faster STi version and a six speed. I hope my car lasts that long so I can pick up the quicker model down the road. Anyway, as a Honda (and Chevy) owner, I have to put in my $0.02. I am a VTEC (note the correct spelling) driver, I have to admit, without wheelspin off the line, these cars are dogs. But the top end is viscious in these cars and handling wise, the double wishbone suspension is perfect for autocross. Someone posted above that a Sube would beat a Prelude in autocross. SH or no SH, a Prelude was rated as the best handling car money can buy for under 30k by Car and Driver, and they did a very thorough test. Also, they recently did a review of hot-hatches and squeezed the 'lude in there to compete with the likes of the Sube, Integra, Celica and a bunch of others. This was not an SH and nothing in the bunch except the Celica could keep up with the Prelude on the track. A novice driving both cars, maybe the Sube would be quicker due to all the grip, but an experienced autocross pilot would whip ass in the Prelude.

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Old 10-12-2000, 09:04 PM   #15
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i dont personally own a prelude so from experience i dont know how they handle, so jinx32 probably knows more about what he's talkin about han i do, but from what ive heard the SH understeers like a bitch, also when scc did the 8000rpm smackdown i think they rated the SH as the worst handling of them all, so i was just going off from what ive heard. also i personally beleive that the people at C&D are on crack and would take my little sisters word over their opinion on a cars performance, but if u have personal experience with the ludes id take ur word over mine

but i do know plenty about vectH cordless phones, cuz unfortunaltey i own one and man do they suck.
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Old 10-12-2000, 09:27 PM   #16
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I actually trust C&D more than most mags due to the budget they have behind the tests. Some people may say they are biased or can't drive. If you look at the credentials of all the editors and testers, most of them have been involved with cars way longer than SCC has even been in existance. However, they also retest cars which is why I like them. They will compare the previous solo Prelude results to the Prelude result in the comparison test and honestly tell you about the differences. They are also not afraid to pick winners from amongst a group of similar vehicles(unlike MT). One thing is true though, at 2950 lbs, the Prelude is no lightweight and I can imagine it pushing badly in a turn without the SH model. Which issue of SCC was that, I would love to read that artical. As for driving a Prelude. No, not me, but my friend autocrosses and he said they are way to heavy, and the SH blows its electronic diff when abused. We both drive del Sol VTEC's, mine is a 1995, which currently has 157,000 miles on it. I don't go around racing on the streets anymore as I need it to last until my Sube comes out. May do an engine swap and wait for the STi model as it will NOT make it to the 200k mark the way it's driving now. Whoever said Honda's last forever is full of *****.
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Old 10-12-2000, 09:31 PM   #17
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Lol! you beat me to the v-tech hehehe.
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Old 10-12-2000, 09:47 PM   #18
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that 8000rpm showdown is in the october issue (the last one).

i know for sure that car and driver are on crack now cuz they say that prelude is the best handling car for under 30k, which means they're saying that it handles better than the RS i do have a beef with em tho cuz they hate the rs, they really do, and i think they were biased from the beganing.

but seriously the ITR is under 30k and handling wise....the ludes arent even in the same ballpark

nice car by the way them vtec del sols were quick lil boogers, but i always thought that they were kinda ugly, no offense or anything, just my personal opinon....150k on a 95, damn man, where u been drivin dude?

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Old 10-12-2000, 10:22 PM   #19
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Take a look at SCC's 8 Great Rides issue, if my memory serves me correctly, a Ford Focus ZX3 logged a better time on the auto-x than the prelude. I think the Impreza rated about them too, but nothing touches the ITR stock for stock.
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Old 10-13-2000, 04:48 AM   #20
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Damn and I can't get any volunteers to run the Pulsar or the new Galant. I have been waiting for somebody to race in the Pulsar since taking Jay_UK's advice and making use of a old NOS kit from the wife's Civic. Now the Pulsar has laughing gas to make things even more fun. Around here the Honda's are low end cars with the exception of the S2000 and the NSX.
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Old 10-13-2000, 05:01 AM   #21
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Tim, I love the intake. No harm meant in the word, guys, just being humurous.
I was a 17-yr-old kid not so long ago myself but I never acted like that so you'll have to forgive me if it baffles me.
And it was a Civic.

THREE NOTES:
NOTE #1: I spelled it right, I spelled it Vtec, no h, I just didn't capitalize it and added a hyphen. (I'm not a Honda expert.)
NOTE #2: Any CFR SCCA Auto-crosser can tell you that all of the Preludes that have auto-xed with US have not done anything. IMHO, They are kind of big and bulky looking out there.
Now, you may know of some that do well. But I personally have not seen any. Off the line? I do believe an experienced driver could drag the Prelude faster. Auto-Xing? I doubt it.
NOTE #3: I'm not a racer. Anyone could beat me. I'm just a co-driver But I do know my driver on my two man team is EXTREMELY experienced and would not touch a Honda - not auto-xing, and def. not rallying - b/c the Imprezas are just better built for REAL racing. Not street racing


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Old 10-13-2000, 06:06 AM   #22
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Well, I can't fault your logic there. Why do you think I am not getting a Honda as my next vehicle? Also, did you know that they messed with the front suspension on the 2001 Civic. They changed the front from an awesome double wishbone to a strut. This means the next version of the Si(if there is one) is going to have even more handling problems. Also, since the Integra is a glorified Civic, and they want to keep the car competitive, they are moving the Integra platform over to the Prelude chassis and adding more power, possibly a six speed. But that chassis is heavier which means the car will move up from 2650 lbs to around 2950 lbs. Thats a little chunky in my book.

I also started thinking about the handling of the 'lude. Since the 'lude in the C&D test was the 2nd most powerful car of the bunch, it may have just been powering down the straights better before it loses steam in the corners. It does have 40HP more than the Sube, but it also has 20HP more than the Celica, which was the best overall. I think the track really makes the difference, so it is hard to compare. I'm going to pick up that issue of SCC today if I can find it.

Something I need to know. I would be pissed as all hell if I bought a product that was upgraded after I bought it. When I bought my sol, I knew it would be the fastest and most optioned sol of all the sol trim levels. They sold them from 93-98. 93 was S and Si, 94 introduced VTEC, 95-VTEC with ABS, 96-98, dropped the nice front end with the aux. lights. So I grabbed a 95 once the ABS came out. No performance upgrades for the rest of the model years. Now with the Sube WRX coming out. I want one. I can afford one and am ready to buy once it comes out, but what is this of the STi I now hear. I would much rather wait for the quicker model with the 6speed and pay the premium than to find out 6 months after I bought one that a higher performance version of my car will be popping up in a few months. Where are you guys getting your info from so I don't buy the wrong model?

oh, my high mileage is due to a 1 hour commute everyday, 50 miles each way = 27500/year. Adds up quick.

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Old 10-13-2000, 06:19 AM   #23
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Having autocrossed myself against 5-6 RSes of various tune and misc imports including an Integra and Civic, i can say that a short, quick course favors the RS to a point.

Sunday the fastest car in STS was a Civic. Not SI, not anything really special, just a great driver. He beat out 4 RSes, though Noah would probably have had him if he were in attendance.

OTOH i was just a few notches behind the Integra in my 93 Legacy Turbo Wagon with mild mods. His car oversteers like mad so the course was not well suited to him.

At Pocatello there was a Prelude but his times were consistenly slower than us. The VWs were almost always faster than even the fastest RS.

It's a mixed bag.

Oh, and the Civic front suspension will work itself out eventually. We have struts, and so does Porsche and may other top grade auto manufacturers. It's just too bad they screwed up the new version in so many other ways.
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Old 10-13-2000, 06:22 AM   #24
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I thought C&D sampled the SH model of the lude. I know the type SH is a great car. A much much better handler than the base prelude. Bah, I still much prefer the previous model with the SR-V in it.
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Old 10-13-2000, 06:23 AM   #25
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Yep, they are fast. My street car is an RS but my team drives a VW.
There's a pic around the site somewhere...
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