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Old 07-02-2000, 08:52 AM   #1
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Post On this, our Independence Day, I thank you!!!

On 4 July 2000, we celebrate our first Independence Day of the 21st century and our nations 224 birthday. The Forth of July is a great time to be with family and friends, but it is also important for each of us to remember and appriciate the cause for our celebrations.

We celebrate because we live in a land of freadom, and a land where our forefathers vanquished tyranny. We appriciate the courageous men who created and signed the Declaration of Independence in 1776. This document with its bold precept that all people are entitled to " life, liberty, and the pursuit of hapiness" shook the world in 1776. Today 224 years later that bold precept is the greatest example of democracy in the world. It created a way of life that continues to inspire and give hope to the people around the world who live in oppressed societies.

I am very greatful to our founding forefathers that planted the seeds of freedom in 1776. To my fellow service members of the United States Air Force, Marines, Army, Coast Guard, Navy, DOD Civilians, and Contractors I thank you for our continued freedom. Like the colonial warriors of our proud past, you are courageous and committed individuals who understand the cost of freedom isn't free.

Again, thank you for all that you do in the defense of the greatest nation on earth. I salute each and every one of my military brothers and sisters and our civilian counter parts that are equally as important.

God bless you and the United States!!!

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Be safe everyone!!!

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Old 07-02-2000, 09:09 AM   #2
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yeah thats great.
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Old 07-02-2000, 11:48 AM   #3
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All this independence and we cannot get a real subie.

Bah!
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Old 07-02-2000, 12:06 PM   #4
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I'll proudly second that sentiment SSgt. Bass!

God Bless America!

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Old 07-02-2000, 12:09 PM   #5
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Hey Jim! What about the Navy?
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Old 07-02-2000, 12:13 PM   #6
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The Navy? Must have been a Freudian slip on Jim's part.
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Old 07-02-2000, 04:05 PM   #7
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I am not a serviceman so I would like to thank all of you as well as being a civillian that will probably see the rigors of a battlefield--Hopefully most of you won't either.
I just saw the "Patriot" today. I must say that was an increadible story and a terrific bit of filmmaking. If any of you love Braveheart as I do, this movie is right up your alley.
This is definately a film that makes you think about what our fore fathers went through to give us this freedom that we all, from time to time, take for granted.

I wish everyone a great 4th of july and to take a moment on tuesday to remeber.
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Old 07-02-2000, 04:39 PM   #8
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21st century dosn't start until jan 01, 01
but that aside.. i agree... and go see "the patriot" woo hoo our boys in blue xxxxxx xxxx xxxxxxx xxxx!!

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Old 07-02-2000, 04:51 PM   #9
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Errr guys don't make the mistake of believing everything you see on TV/Film.

I have the most respect for your country and indeed used to live there, but both The Patriot and Braveheart are full of innacuracies, and I mean FULL. They are both great works of fiction but in no way are they historical documentaries.

p.s. My family always got annoyed at the "no Taxation without representation" thing when we lived in the US, we got taxed, but couldn't vote.

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Old 07-02-2000, 05:03 PM   #10
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I pay Japan 20% in taxes even though I am a US citizen working here. At least the US gov has agreed to stop trying to make me pay taxes. I'd hate to think that I'd still have to pay those guys also. I think we all get taxed without any representation anymore. After all how many of you have actually been asked to vote on a federal tax? How many actually have politicians who do what you want them to? Ever wonder why the active duty military are forced to pay taxes? It would only seem fair that for doing the job they do for such low pay the gov would at least let them go untaxed. At the very least the state the people are from could give them a tax incentive for doing it.
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Old 07-02-2000, 05:43 PM   #11
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Even with all it's flaws, this is still the greatest nation in the world. Hats off to those that gave us this gift.
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Old 07-02-2000, 06:49 PM   #12
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No disrespect meant. I know both those movies are quite blown out of proportion as to true facts.
But as for fictional films they are terrific, I agree.
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why is it the greatest nation on earth?
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Old 07-02-2000, 08:06 PM   #14
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yeah, you just have to remember that they are MOVIES. They aren't supposed to be documentaries, if they were...then they'd mostly likely be quite boring. on that note, everyone have a safe holiday.

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Old 07-02-2000, 09:52 PM   #15
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M8 is going to get me started, I just know it... calm down--Jim it's the holidays. M8 must be from another country not our great nation calm down...

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Old 07-02-2000, 10:19 PM   #16
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Jim, before you waste your breath getting self righteous on me: yes i am from another country. yes i live in the US. why do i feel comfortable asking the question that is getting you all riled up? because i served in your military and if you could see my DD214 you would not begrudge me my opinions.
unlike the airforce personell that flew some of the aircraft i jumped from; i actually got my boots dirty in some very unpleasant places. i did'nt knock the US, i love it here. i also love this country. i am just not comfortable with the habit that untravelled people have of proclaiming their backwater to be the best. i have lived on 3 continents. 'travelled to many more then that courtesy of our military. yes i choose to live here, but i still don't feel qualified to dismiss the rest of the planet as inferior by default. before you jump in with "blah blah i'm just proud to be... blah blah" : i have no problem with patriotism; but leave the rest of the world out of it. that sort of nationalism is just an ignorant statement away from xenophobia and racism. i did'nt serve my time to protect that sort of ignorant sentiment.

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Old 07-02-2000, 10:39 PM   #17
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Agreed then I won't waste my breathe on ya. I have lived in 5 differant countries and been TDY/TAD and another 20 plus, so I guess we won't compare stories.

I am sure there are several people here as well that have been outside our borders that would disagree with you.

So I am a racist if I think my country is the greatest? There must be some reason you chose to leave your country and come to mine...

Hummm this is a free board (wouldn't be in all countries)so you can voice yours and so the hell can I...

Jim

Anyway you have your rights in this country and I respect that...

Again God Bless the greatest nation on this planet the good ole USA...


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Old 07-02-2000, 11:01 PM   #18
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A quote on patriotism... I love this thread already..

I am ex military, and I have traveled more than I want to say. I was born in the USA and will die in the USA. Its my home, I love it and will die for it.

But I have to disagree with the statement that people have to live elsewhere before they can say they have the greatest nation in the world. Completely false. Even if I have not traveled I would preach this from the highest mountain in the land. It would not matter what you could show me otherwise, its my country and to me it will always be the best. The backbone of this country is the worker on the high iron of a skyscraper, or the truck driver, or the police man.. take your pick. If you tried to tell them that they cant really say this is the greatest country in the world because they have not seen any other, I am sure they would get a tad upset. I would!

patriotism in any form must be embraced nowadays. In this day and age people dont seem to be loyal to any country they are loyal to their wallet. The old southern boy that harvests rice in his boat and the grease monkey that makes a living welding in Michgan have a right to love this country and praise it for all their worth, even if they have never been out of their back yards!

Dont get mad at Flag waivers...if people who live in the US want to say that the US is the greatest place in the world, I say buy that man a beer. If a chap in England wants to say that his country is the best, I say let him be! He has that right to love his country.

If what you are refering to are statements like

'oh the Italians are a stupid bunch or that country has the backbone of a wet noodle"

well that is a racial slur and I suppose that would be bad.. I am italian so I can say that hahah! On that point I agree..attituded like that spawn hatred..

with that i will quit because a political discussion is not what this board is for...

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I'd have to agree that there are good points to alot of counrties. Not any one in particular is perfect or even the greatest. We can find flaws in any political system. To dismiss M8 out of hand for what he is saying doesn't mean you're right or he's wrong. I gotta respect the guy for saying it up front. Unlike the crap I have where I am at right now.
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Old 07-03-2000, 06:49 AM   #20
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hey scrappydo, you should write jingles for budwieser (sp?). that almost made me cry, ok no it did'nt. my point is pretty fundamental: love your country. i love the one i was raised in and i love the one i call home now. i just feel that when nationalism is expressed in such a way as to exclude anyone, it becomes dangerous. i grew up in a place where nationalism was expressed in this way: belfast. i have worked in bosnia, somalia, congo etc. in all these places it was, ultimatly, flag waving zealots doing most of the butchering.
i guess i am not articulate enough to express this in such a way as to NOT make you defensive. again, the only thing i have a problem with is the crossing of that fine line between patriotism and intollerance.
scrappydo, sorry to dissapoint you here: as a police officer i guess i am part of that backbone your jingle reffered to. hooray!
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Two Things...

1) M8 proves a very valid point... I served with many nationalities... and you know the odd part... Some of the ones who gave the most are the ones that weren't natural born Americans!!! Whilst quite a few of us "Americans" are the crappy problem... I have been rased and still do live in the US, and I count myself lucky to have been overseas and seen what the rest of the world has compared to us... Trust me, there are far worse places to live!!!

2) Beauty is in the eye of the beholder... IOW the person very happy with his life in Moscow is probably just as sure of himself as we are...

Once again Thank You all who have died for my freedom, and those who are willing to die to help defend it in the future... Maybe if there were just a few more "Flag-Waivers" in the US we could quit being so racist and realize that the more the merrier (sp?) is true!!! (assuming they work for a living not depend on my tax dollars to support them!!!)
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Old 07-03-2000, 07:37 AM   #22
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When I "Wave my Flag" I am not trying to demean or take away from any other country.

I have been to several countries: Japan, Korea, Philippines, Indonesia, Australia, Thailand, India, Kuwait, Saudi, Iraq(about 5 min), Egypt, UK, Portugal, Somalia, Kenya, Dominican Republic, Turkey, Spain, Germany, Holland, Oman, France, and a few others and found good in all of them, my most recent was 5 months in Haiti on humanitarian (sp) missions with the USAF... I have naver saw so much pride in my life in a vast amout of people as I did in Haiti and Don Rep...

Someone please explain to me how does that makes me a racist, by saying America is #1? Maybe I am not connected the dots.

I understand why people move to America and still think the country they are from is the best, thats great that's your opinion and this is mine.

I will retire from the AF in 2003 and will retire/move to Japan with my wife but I will still know that America is the greatest country on this earth.

Yes I wave my flag as do I defend it...

Once again, Gob Bless the good ole
US of A.

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BUD - WIES - ER

hahahaa...

M8 I think that we are actually on the same page and we dont realize it. Patriotism is the most incredible thing until it breeds closed minded ignorance. I do belive that America is, and always will be the greatest country in the world.


If I were to start insluting and putting down other countries without having been there.. well then that would be blatently stupid on my part. I do completely agree with you on that statement.

If I came across as defensive..well I probably was...I tend to get that way with the good ole USA and matters of patriotism. Its a character flaw I have. I cant help it.

Anyway I hope we can end this.. the point is that one way or another we are both on the same side, and belive in pretty much the same thing. Have a good day..

'this buds for you!'

haha I could not help it.

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Old 07-03-2000, 08:59 AM   #24
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nice thing about the usa you can put your boots on show em your credit card and be gone by midnight open door policy still in effect such a country!!! this is no paradise
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Old 07-03-2000, 09:58 AM   #25
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Interesting points, but on what basis is the US the greatest country in the world?? Be proud of your nationality by all means, but greatness is measured in many ways, and the US certainly isn't best in all of them.

Have a good Independence Day everyone.

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