Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Thursday December 18, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Archives > NASIOC Archives > General Forum Archive

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-10-2001, 11:00 PM   #1
Faraz
What?...
Do they speak English in What?

Moderator
 
Member#: 1459
Join Date: May 2000
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Allentown
Vehicle:
2008 WRX 5door MT
WR Blue

Arrow Jackson Racing SuperCharger

Guess who TRi Tuning had a conversation with today? A one MR. Oscar Jackson, of Jackson Racing. This was in regarding if Jackson Racing is going to be making a SuperCharger at anytime for our cars. Well I think we all know his answer: "Sorry, not enough interest."
Then we found out from him what it took for TRi Tuning to get a Jackson SuperCharger made for the Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS.
This is what it takes:
* $100,000 up front for R&D on a 100 kits ...They WON'T make a smaller number of kits.
* 1-4 months R&D Time
* Then up to another $200,000 on delivery of these 100 Kits.
Now we at TRi Tuning are DEAD serious about getting this made. Think about having a Jackson SuperCharger, one of the BEST if not the best SuperCharger Company making one for our car. Vortech dropped out of making one after their test car exploded, and we here at TRi don't think we have the time to make a perfect kit anytime soon.
This is what we are purposing:
We need about 100 people to put $1,000 down
And then when the kits are done up to another $2,000
TRi Tuning will pick up any cost over $3,000 per kit. So if we sell these kits at $3,500 the first 100 people will only have to pay $3,000.
Think about it. You put $1,000 now and then have time to get the rest of the money. Knowing You'll get a Complete, fully working, supercharging Kit made by a international corporation with a great reputation. There is NO ONE else that can make that claim.


Please only serious replies about this

Faraz Afshar
TRi Tuning
610-759-7000
Import Performance Works
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Faraz is offline  
Old 01-10-2001, 11:05 PM   #2
RidinLow
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 329
Join Date: Sep 1999
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: NJ
Vehicle:
1995 325i
Arctic Gray

Post

Your signature kinda makes it look like you work for TRi... do you?

Also, not to rain on your parade, but the Accord crowd has been clamoring for a JRS for years now... & look how many Accords there are...
RidinLow is offline  
Old 01-10-2001, 11:07 PM   #3
Overtime
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1346
Join Date: Apr 2000
Post

Wow. Not sure how to address this...except that I'll believe it when I see it.

Good luck TRi...if it works, you'll make some definite money.
Overtime is offline  
Old 01-10-2001, 11:31 PM   #4
rB5
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1682
Join Date: Jun 2000
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: in my OBXT on the dead lawn
Vehicle:
'06 OBXT
Glacier White GF4

Exclamation

ya know, i would be very tempted to send off $1000, except some similar type up-front-deposit deals have ended up sooo bad which have hurt both vendor & buyer (JC, Rimmer...). TRi Tuning has a good reputation with the i-club and we all know Jackson develops excellent products, but this proposal would have to be impeccably organized, backed by written guarantees for each 'investor' of this new SC system. It will be an uphill battle trying to get the 100 initial buyers, but i think it can work if it is taken as a SERIOUS business proposition, not just some hand-shake deal between friends.

Thank you very much Faraz, for taking the first step in bringing us a long awaited SC; now I hope you can prove to us that this is a SERIOUS and viable option that will receive the attention a large project like this will need.
rB5 is offline  
Old 01-10-2001, 11:37 PM   #5
Overtime
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1346
Join Date: Apr 2000
Post

Even I'd bite my lip on organizing this one. 100 people with $1000 each in the pot? Can you imagine?

EDIT: This is not to say it can't be done, or that I don't applaud TRi for trying. But this is a whole lot of commitment. With that many people, you'd almost need to set up their own mailing list complete with weekly updates from Jackson Racing and estimated "time of arrival" for the supercharger kits.

That's a whole lot of work, and I just don't see Jackson Racing biting when they can keep making "performance kits" for the Honda CRV.

[This message has been edited by Overtime (edited January 10, 2001).]
Overtime is offline  
Old 01-10-2001, 11:41 PM   #6
RidinLow
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 329
Join Date: Sep 1999
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: NJ
Vehicle:
1995 325i
Arctic Gray

Cool

Forget organizing, with that much money, I'd just take it & run!

(That's why you don't see me organizing GB's, I guess)
RidinLow is offline  
Old 01-10-2001, 11:42 PM   #7
AlphaDog
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 1759
Join Date: Jun 2000
Vehicle:
2001 Mazda B4000
Black

Post

It could be done, if for example Christ himself were in charge.

Seriously, ain't no way 100 people are going to fork over $1000 unless there is enough iron cladding in the deal to armor the Merrimac.

-Dog
AlphaDog is offline  
Old 01-10-2001, 11:45 PM   #8
AlphaDog
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 1759
Join Date: Jun 2000
Vehicle:
2001 Mazda B4000
Black

Post

I just read my last post. I feel like Dennis freakin' Miller (hate that guy).

Sorry for the "intellectual" reference.

-Dog

AlphaDog is offline  
Old 01-10-2001, 11:53 PM   #9
Midwayman
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1997
Join Date: Jul 2000
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Des Plaines, IL
Vehicle:
2006 Acura TL 6spd
STMGM6 alumni

Post

Man, 100 kits? While Id love to see a supercharger kit... That like 1/3 of the people on the I-club. Fraid you're gonna have to front some of that money if you're real interested in getting this off the ground. No doubt that if you have a great, professionally engineered kit, you'll sell a hundred though. Still think you'd be better off developing your own with the terms of that deal. BTW what sort of specs are they quoting you 3k a kit for? IC? what pressure? What type of charger?
Midwayman is offline  
Old 01-10-2001, 11:56 PM   #10
ARG
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 386
Join Date: Oct 1999
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Upstairs in the bedroom
Vehicle:
1999 Impreza RS-S
Rally Blue & Supercharged

Thumbs up

Just wanted to state a couple of facts:

(1) Jackson Racing superchargers are Eatons. Autorotor is much, much more efficient.

(2) Jackson Racing superchargers are not intercooled.

Ok! Gotta go!

ARG
ARG is offline  
Old 01-10-2001, 11:58 PM   #11
Faraz
What?...
Do they speak English in What?

Moderator
 
Member#: 1459
Join Date: May 2000
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Allentown
Vehicle:
2008 WRX 5door MT
WR Blue

Post

First on the accord question. Did a accord tuner come to Jackson and offer to $100k in R&D? No, they are just waiting for Jackson to do this. People this is not a promise from Jackson Racing this is a Contract there is a huge differance.
Second yes I work for TRi... alot of people knew that I thought?
Third how can you even compare Rimmer, Minnam, and JC to Jackson Racing? people look at the balance sheet of those companies compared to Jackson Racing. All of the combined times 5 still won't have the balance sheet of Jackson. Jackson Racing "isn't in the same league... its not not even the same sport"
And overtime yes I have imagined and talked to lawyers. This will be tricky to pull off more than likey everything will have to notorized and legal documents drawn up. It isn't a hand shake deal by any stretch of the means.
To show that I mean business. I'm already thinking of liquidating my stocks and selling my car to help get the up front capital for this venture because I feel in the long run I will make my money back 10 fold.
Thanks rB5 for the positive feedback we are trying our hardest trust me.

ARG you forgot #3 they work! and #4 you can your money back from they if they don't
This isn't a easy process, but it seems either is a JC sports GB, and 30+ people signed and paid 2k+ up front for that.

[This message has been edited by Faraz (edited January 10, 2001).]
Faraz is offline  
Old 01-11-2001, 12:00 AM   #12
rB5
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1682
Join Date: Jun 2000
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: in my OBXT on the dead lawn
Vehicle:
'06 OBXT
Glacier White GF4

Post

Quote:
...and we here at TRi don't think we have the time to make a perfect kit anytime soon.
I just remembered this: I queried the TRi guys about an SC and Chris had replied that a kit based on the BBK Instacherger unit was in the works. So does this mean that development has stopped on it?
rB5 is offline  
Old 01-11-2001, 12:09 AM   #13
Midwayman
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1997
Join Date: Jul 2000
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Des Plaines, IL
Vehicle:
2006 Acura TL 6spd
STMGM6 alumni

Post

Hey, If I had two coins to rub together Id be real tempted to help you out with RD. Best of luck with the deal though. Say, what happens if Jackson *cant* develop a charger, and what about prices after the RD is done? Do they drop to 2k per kit? (of course they'd still be sold for more....)
Midwayman is offline  
Old 01-11-2001, 12:27 AM   #14
22 Lou
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 830
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: from Queens, NY to Maine!
Vehicle:
1996 OBSTI hybrid
inconspicuous....heehee

Post

wow good job Faraz & TRI.
that is not really as impossible as ppl seem to think. if the proper contracts are drawn up i can't see how 100 ppl won't do this. last i checked there was over 3500 members...that's just the ones registered. only like 3% of the ppl needed. if i weren't getting my WRX engine i would seriously consider this. a year ago i would've jumped on this, i mean this is Jackson racing...they're a big player and always do nice work on their kits.
just my two tiny cents

-Lou
PS: pretty funny RidnLow! you guys all heard him say it. if he now organizes a group buy on that ABS/non ABS switch that he made for his car, don't be suckered !!

[This message has been edited by 22 Lou (edited January 10, 2001).]
22 Lou is offline  
Old 01-11-2001, 01:32 AM   #15
subystyle
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 2712
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: St. Helens, Oregon SPEC , MAPEC
Vehicle:
2000 Impreza 2.5RS
Sedona Red Pearl

Thumbs up

Good Luck Faraz and TRI!!!
This will be a hard fought battle, but if you win it you'll surely win the war...
Being THE ONES that brought our beloved Scoobies a super charger, that's a BIG deal! I truly hope it works out. Cya, Gary
Compass Motorsports



[This message has been edited by subystyle (edited January 11, 2001).]
subystyle is offline  
Old 01-11-2001, 02:12 AM   #16
KooshDogg
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 134
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Washington, DC, USA
Exclamation

ok... i jus gotta say something here thats going to break some hearts, ill list the negatives first and then the positives to make it easier...

-yes, it will be difficult to get together 100 people to put their faith into development of this product

-yes, JRSC's are not intercooled

-reliability - doesnt seem to me like the SOHC EJ25 responds nicely with forced induction, forced induction kits are usually tested for longevity on new engines like the EJ25, but since there is no prototype......

-jackson racing has made a LOT of false promises about superchargers for cars that have VERY large aftermarket customer bases in the aftermarket, namely the Accord and the prelude... im sure OG can attest to some of these rumors as well, anyone that's into the honda scene knows of the "rumored" JRSC for the 97+ ludes that seem to be delayed each month for about 3 years now, or the Accord V6/CL/CL-TypeS superchargers that dont ever seem to be getting off the ground... one can easily dispute this statement by saying "well they've still made new kits recently," however the CR-V used a civic engine (based on the same chassis) for a LONG time, and the 1.6 DOHC vtec in the 6th gen civic Si was not a NEW engine, so it wasnt hard for them to simply adapt their old del sol kits for the Si... kit for the type R you say? the type r engine is already just an extrude honed, highly modified GS-R engine that's been around since 94. in my opinion, they have not come out with ANYTHING new in a while, and altho i love the kits they've made, I, much like Overtime, would have to "believe it when i see it" when they start running their mouths again about plans for another kit...

-Midwayman has a point, if their R&D efforts fail or if they back out due to financial "miscalculations" on a kit for a car and company they havent had experience with, then some serious stuff is gonna go down...

=========================================

now, DO NOT LET THIS STUFF DISCOURAGE YOU from getting in on this, hehe, here are my reasons why

-i personally maintain that faraz, chris, and the rest of TRi are very capable of handling such an undertaking. they have a good reputation for great service and knowledgeable assistance on this board, and are truly trying to help RS owners wanting a better forced induction alternative, which currently doesnt really exist, at least not with the customer service or dependability that you'd get from these guys.

-the JRSC is not intercooled, true, but an intercooler for a supercharger is not as effective as for a turbocharger, IMHO. the extra piping involved in having an intercooler to cool the air would require slightly greater boost to get the same results, no prob on a turbo, but since the SC is crank-driven, an intercooler would somewhat negate the effect of more engine output since the SC essentially "uses power to make power"

-in reference to the efficiency of the EATON blower as opposed to an autorotor... you're absolutely right, it is not as efficient and does not supply as much power as an autorotor, however the eaton kits are not designed for maximum power, but for delivering maximum reliability and longevity with a "considerable" (albeit not max possible) power increase. the buyer of a supercharger is [TYPICALLY!] not as interested in maximum power gains as the buyer of a turbocharger, ON AVERAGE, hehe. also, the "kompressor" used in many benzes like the SLK and c-class is an eaton SC, ditto for jaguar's XJR and XKR series. hehehe, if its good enough for a benz or a jaguar, im SURE its good enough for a subaru

-100 people with $1000 each... sounds like quite a task, but as 22 lou said, thats less than 3% of the members of this board... the MAJORITY of people on this board have probably spent well over $1000 on their car in a matter of seconds on promises of far less, for modifications that wouldn't grant them anywhere NEAR a 13 flat 1/4 time or an extra 50 horsepower, from individuals that they barely trust in the first place, without any sort of reputation or experience, even from people and companies that have WELL-KNOWN reputations for BAD customer service and bad products (*cough,* not naming ANY names here)..

-finally, regardless of the promises that they have made about their future products, i must admit that they have not had a BINDING CONTRACT WITH LEGAL CONSEQUENCES if they dont deliver for these future products. if faraz says he can develop some type of contract for this deal, that would get you all your money back promptly in case R&D goes downhill on this project, then its certainly not too much to ask, we all have faith in faraz and chris, especially myself and many other members of this board. jackson racing is not minnam, and there are countless miatas and hondas running around with JR superchargers, kicking V8 a$$ on a daily basis with little or no modifications outside of the JRSC installation.... there are no hidden frills to JRSC kits, you get what you get, and thats ALL you need for 5psi.


in conclusion, yes, it looks like quite an undertaking, but one that CAN work. everyone must of course know the skepticism involved, such as that which i have listed, but all in all, it can work.

*flame suit on, BRING IT BABY!!*
Regards,
Kion

[This message has been edited by KooshDogg (edited January 11, 2001).]
KooshDogg is offline  
Old 01-11-2001, 02:42 AM   #17
Lix
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 1560
Join Date: May 2000
Location: San Mateo,Ca,USA
Post

Ok, I don't know if this has ever been brought up, but here it goes. SOA has a supercharged 2.5L show car running around. Assuming they have some nice engineering drawings, schematics, etc. lying around on this, I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to approach them, and ask if you can use thier design. of course you would probably have to pay SOA royalties or a fee, but you would have a (hopefully) well engineered supercharger for the 2.5 by engineers working for Subaru. The research would already be done, so all that would be left would be manufacturing and distributing. I'm curious if any companies have approached SOA about this before.
Lix is offline  
Old 01-11-2001, 06:30 AM   #18
TR
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 28
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: now w/100% less turbo
Vehicle:
1997 M3 Sedan
Blue

Thumbs down

As someone who has a supercharger kit that has no way of intercooling it I will raise a big red flag. Do NOT get a forced induction kit (TC or SC) that does not have an intercooler or the ability to upgrade to one later. you are limiting your boost capability to 6 lbs maybe 7 lbs. I for one regret it because performance is limited and there is really no way of upgrading it. Dont paint yourself in a corner.

As for R&D. Well, I think Rimmer, Minnam, Sport Compact Car, JC, and the members of this board have all done the research themselves on forced induction on the Subaru whether by real testing or trial and error. I cannot imagine what Jackson Racing could bring to the table that hasnt already been figured out. (maybe they have something up their sleeve)

The short result of all this collective R&D. Tune it, make sure it has enough fuel capacity. as you turn up the boost these become very critical. the goal is to prevent ping or detonation. Rimmer was able to do this by squeezing an Eaton blower under the hood and adding a FPR. That seems to work for up to 6 lbs of boost (although performance is limited) Same thing with turbos...boost is boost.

If Jackson really wants to make something good, it'll be a COMPLETE SC kt that can run at least 8 lbs of boost (intercooled). combine that with CARB and good customer service and I think you would have a winner.

this seems to be an awfully big commitment on TRI's part for Jackson's reputation. I personally think if Jackson wants to do some business with Subaru owners they need to make a bit of a commitment themselves. how could they expect people to buy into this without even a description of what would be in the kit, or a prototype?

call me a skeptic, but for me this doesnt add up and you are taking a huge financial risk.
TR is offline  
Old 01-11-2001, 06:55 AM   #19
Texas25RS
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 3148
Join Date: Dec 2000
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: DFW, TX
Vehicle:
2012 Mazdaspeed 3
Crystal White Pearl Mica

Exclamation

After owning a Prelude and waiting for the POS company JR to come out wiht the kit for the Prelude (which is STILL not out) I owuld never dream of laying down $1000 of mine on something that will never happen. Mr. Oscar has had the test vehicle for the Prelude SC for about two yeras now and he can't get it right... save your money and just pick up a 6lb turbo kit since 6lb is all you would get from a JRSC....

Of course... not that I am biased or anything.
Texas25RS is offline  
Old 01-11-2001, 07:26 AM   #20
Steve E
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 300
Join Date: Sep 1999
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: New Milford,CT US
Vehicle:
2002 WRX
Aspen White

Post

The scary thing about this is the fact that JC Sports says they have sold about 40 turbo kits, not including the GB kits. They have been at it for a while so this might be tough. It would be cool though, so, good luck!!
Steve E is offline  
Old 01-11-2001, 07:39 AM   #21
scoobiejosh
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3139
Join Date: Dec 2000
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: SLC Utah
Vehicle:
2001 Dodge Pikumup
& 08 Triumph Speed Triple

Post

Im not a big fan of Jackson Racing either.

They dont make much H.P. for the cash you shell out.
No chance of a intercooler.....blah.
Inneficient roots type

I would rather spend my $$$ and time custom building a Cerntrifical type system
More power potential
can be intercooled

Josh

Edit-change eaton to centrifical

[This message has been edited by scoobiejosh (edited January 12, 2001).]
scoobiejosh is offline  
Old 01-11-2001, 07:42 AM   #22
subarumantoo
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3257
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Houston, TX
Vehicle:
2000 ImprezaRS
Blue Ridge Pearl

Post

I cannot imagine why it would cost $100,000 to R&D an eaton super-charger kit! The fuel managment and electronics are already available and are included in every turbo kit. The only R&D is to develop a really good way to mount the super-charger and a high quality pulley and belt drive. Even the intercooler (which you would be FOOLISH to leave off) is an off-the-shelf item. The R&D is very minimal in my opinion. That being said: If you do make this kit, you will sell a whole lot of them!!! Several hundred kits right away I bet......
subarumantoo is offline  
Old 01-11-2001, 07:50 AM   #23
Greg555
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 814
Join Date: Jan 2000
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Chicago, il USA
Vehicle:
Want engine mgmnt?
I sell ViPec's ECU's

Post

Take the dough and rrrrrrrrrrrrruuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnnn
Greg555 is offline  
Old 01-11-2001, 08:07 AM   #24
scoobiejosh
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3139
Join Date: Dec 2000
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: SLC Utah
Vehicle:
2001 Dodge Pikumup
& 08 Triumph Speed Triple

Post

correct me if i am wrong but there has NEVER been a way to intercool any of JR's superchargers since they replace the intake manifold. I agree that the R&D should be cheaper. Half the kit is made for them. If they keep the throttle body in the same place they dont even have to design an intake, the fuel part has already been addressed, no need for an intercooler. I understand that JR is in business to make $$$./......buy daym.

Josh
scoobiejosh is offline  
Old 01-11-2001, 08:19 AM   #25
subarumantoo
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3257
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Houston, TX
Vehicle:
2000 ImprezaRS
Blue Ridge Pearl

Post

They should not replace the intake manifold! I have seen the kits that have a custom intake manifold with the blower under it. That is a joke. That would raise the price to another level. I do agree that the throttle body should be BEFORE the super-charger. Also, they need to make abosutely sure that the price stays around $3000.00 if they really want to sell them.
subarumantoo is offline  
 

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
FS: Jackson Racing SuperCharger Honda Civic hman Bay Area Impreza Club Forum -- BAIC 2 04-17-2003 05:26 PM
Jackson Racing SuperCharger Faraz General Forum Archive 0 01-10-2001 08:03 PM
Jackson Racing Supercharger Faraz General Forum Archive 0 01-10-2001 07:56 PM
Jackson Racing Supercharger Faraz General Forum Archive 0 01-10-2001 07:48 PM
Jackson Racing thoughts on Impreza Supercharger Kevin Thomas Technical Forum Archive 22 10-11-2000 10:57 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:32 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.