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Old 07-02-2000, 08:02 PM   #1
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Thumbs down by the way, new S201 STi (long)

I went back a couple of weeks in these postings to see how much duscussion there was about the Impreza S201 STi. Not much to be found. I'd think you subbie Dogs would be all over that one. Priced at $36,800.00
in Japan, this limited edition would be a hot number over here. Heck, even a local dealer says the American WRX will be here in March, or April of '01, with a twin turbo, but I haven't seen a word of that here. Not that I put a lot of faith in the salesman either. He's doing his best, but I'd expect the car magazines to know that type of info first.

I've read a lot in this forum about power upgrades to the RS. It's a fine car to start a project on. I've read the SCC magazine articles about this wanna-be-WRX. I've seen the Motorweek compo between the 22B, and A 'rodded RS turbo. My point is this: most of you seem contented to upgrade an RS. Some of the upgrades seem rather expensive, and all seem to want to immulate the WRX. My experience with my turbo MR2, and your worries over the 2.5 boxer tell me a true turbocharged engine is much easier on the charge card, and the nerves than trying to squeeze power from an NA engine. That means WAIT FOR THE WRX TO COME HERE. To that point I've decided not to buy an RS. Not yet. I'll wait to see what the WRX costs. If it's less than $10,000 more than a RS, it's a go. If it costs more, well live and learn. Maybe by then someone will be able to offer a fully competitive kit for less than the difference in price between the two.
By the way, I do admire this forum's members for what they try to do with their RS-s. It just seems so damned expensive, and worrisome to you. I guess you caught a fever. Right?
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Old 07-02-2000, 08:39 PM   #2
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I think one of the main reasons is that it seems that a lot of American spec vehicles are weak compared to their Eurpean counterparts. We'll be getting a car that is similar to the WRX, but not a true WRX. America has much stricter rules than the rest of the world and, quite frankly, the rest of the world gets better cars.

It may seem expensive to modify our vehicles but, usually, the outcome of a highly modified 2.5 RS is better than the stock turbo that will be coming over to us in a year or two. And, in some rare cases, a modified 2.5 RS is better than a real WRX.

It's also part of the fun. It's the getting, not the having. Half the fun of these cars is building them up yourself. For most teens, spending $19k on a 2.5 RS and dropping $8k in upgrades is much more feasible than spending $28k or $32k on a performance vehicle.

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Old 07-02-2000, 08:46 PM   #3
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Although you came off as a jackass in your post, I am going to assume that was by accident.

I think I speak for alot of people here. When I walked into the showroom in the USA, to get my impreza, I didnt see any WRX, 22B, STI, turbo'd impreza in there. Not surprisingly they dont sell them in the US. So I got the next best thing, the RS. In my case this only happend 4 months ago. Had there been a better model impreza, I would have purchased that one. I have no fantasy that the RS is a very fast car, however its faster then 80% of the cars on the road, drives very smooth, and looks fantastic.

Whenever the "US WRX" version shows up, Ill stroll up to the dealer and take a look at it. Until then, ill be happy with my RS, and more power to the people tuning theirs. I wish I had more knowledge and time to make my RS perform better, but I dont at this time.

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Old 07-02-2000, 09:49 PM   #4
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The WRX, the STI, the 22B, yada yada yada. Why would we even bother to compare the RS to a 280hp car found int he rest of the world? The gas in the US isn't as clean, we have higher impact standards, we have a DOT and NTSB to get our cars past, insuring a 280hp factory car would be very expensive, and we aren't offered one to begin with. I don't think that we are all comparing our RS to a WRX. There are suprisingly few of the members who have driven a WRX. The RS is a very versital car for its $18K price tag. It can be any car that the owner wants it to be. Add a quality suspension and its a great auto-x car, add a turbo and its a great all around fast car, and do nothing and it will still please the owner none the less. I can say that part of the fun for me is in doing work to the car and seeing the results. The car had a low price to start with and yet came with quite a few options that made it attractive. It made for the perfect project car. Its frame was stiff enough from the factory, it had an aggressive look to it, it had AWD, 4 wheel disc brakes and ABS. It also had alot of low end torque which is always important to a good project car. Now because of the availability of the WRX and other versions in other countries I knew I could find parts for my car to use in upgrades. That is something that I remember from my V8 owner days. Always look around to see what you can adapt for use. THe only truly expensive part of my project RS seems to be a turbo and maybe Shiv's TEC-II. I have done my exhaust, pulleys, tires, suspension, brakes, and strut bars for less then $3K. The US won't get a full WRX so we still shouldn't compare the two vehicles. The US Impreza won't be 280hp. It will have higher insurance rates since it will fall under the sports car category in insurance. Besides many of us bought our RS's well before there was a Impreza following int he US. We already won the cars and can't justify selling the RS we already own to buy a even more expensive Impreza. To each his own though. Good luck on waiting for your car and if and when it finally comes to be you can understand our love of the cars. By the way a turbo'd RS is faster then a early version WRX which only had 220HP. I own an RS and I did own a WRX.
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Old 07-03-2000, 05:31 AM   #5
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Sean, thanks for the reply. As I said in my post, I admire the RS community for what it's doing with the car. I know I certainly seem to notice them now more than before. That's because I'm aware of what can be done with one.

Griffin, nuts to you. ASSume all you like. As a member of the MR2 community I've not read where a modified NA (I assume you know what that means, Griffin)MR2 has the power-making potential of a modified turbo2. Don't waste your petty arrogance on me, boy. Anyone can chose to be insulting to a visitor, but only a lesser person makes that kind of choice. Not enough tit as a baby?

N/A, if you've owned a REX, it might have been while you lived somewhere outside the US (?). I've spent many an hour looking into importing one to the You-Essove-A, and I know the Federales make it damned expensive to certify one car. I also know there's a shop in Canada that will put a REX racing engine in an RS, and do the whole transmission, and suspension thing, but that's major dollars. There is a company in Iowa, I think, that actually imports WRX engines for sale. I've written to SOA a few times, and received several replies (especially when I hinted at a writing campaign to get the REX imported).

To all: I know the spirit of rodding a favorite car. I've owned my 91 since new, and over the years I've done this, added that (recently added the new Super AFC to work in conjuction with the HKS vpc). Each addition is a ton of smiles for a while. But then, power is addicting. One always wants more of that. The economics of modifying a car seem to favor one bought used. Buy a turbo'd MR2 today, plus $5k, and it's a rocket with an easy 270rwhp without opening up the engine (on 93 octane).
I will get an awd Subaru. I test drove the RS sedan. It's got potential. Maybe the REX will be better, and affordable. Modding that car should be a quick, and sweet experience.

By the way, Griffin, I won't fire another counter-battery if you don't.
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Old 07-03-2000, 05:47 AM   #6
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Darryl, yep I bought mine in late Sept of 99 for a sweet deal. I just had to get it to pass the JCI inspection. Got here in Jan and started driving the hell out of it. I thought the turbo RS was quicker to spool up and not as peaky of a power curve. The WRX had a better tranny and no lag at 4,000RPM. The different power split made for some getting used to after driving the RS. Both cars are very nice if you are looing for one. Get a RS or wait for a future turbo is all up to the individual. The one thing the RS has going for it is the extra half a liter of displacement. That makes up for alot of things. It allows for you to run lower boost to get the same end result. Let us know when you take the plunge and get your Subaru? Talk to you more then.
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Old 07-03-2000, 09:14 AM   #7
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N/A,
One day I'll have either the REX, or the RS. It will depend on the price of the new REX. Your pont about engine displacement is well taken. There's a saying among the VV8 crowd: "there's no substitute for cubic inches".
I'm already in contact with a local RS owner. He says he'll talk me into an RS for sure. I've got to admire his confidence in his car.
thanks for the reply,
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Old 07-03-2000, 09:25 AM   #8
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Darryl, where are you in Cinci? We have a few RS's in the area. We usually meet up each month ant the SCCA autox.
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Old 07-03-2000, 02:07 PM   #9
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I also forgot that the RS has a higher compression ratio. So that and the displacement make this car very fast with relatively low amounts of boost. Set the suspension up right and you may out perform the WRX. At least out perform it in its stock trim.
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Old 07-03-2000, 05:59 PM   #10
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Pro,
I'm central to just about anywhere. I live in Pleasant Ridge, 2 miles from I-71, 2 miles from I-75. Are you autox-ing in northern KY? I'll try to meet up if you like. I'm not a member of the SCCA, not a joiner by nature, but if it looks right...well who knows? Give me some feedback, please.
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Old 07-03-2000, 06:03 PM   #11
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N/A,
you make a good point about the compression ratio,and just a bit of boost. I imagine a little boost makes the RS pretty tough off the line, along with it's torquey engine. So tell me, who makes the most complete turbo system for the RS? Minnan?
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Old 07-04-2000, 12:31 AM   #12
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Darryl, I hope you don't plan on getting rid of the MR2. My scoobie and MR2 turbo are getting along quite well in my garage. I'm just waiting on a US spec turbo motor to dump into my RS.

Don't worry man, I think you'll love the RS if you get it. I do. But just know that if you want it to perform like your duce, you'll have to pump some moola into it. Hehe.. its worth it though..
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Old 07-04-2000, 12:47 AM   #13
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Hey... Darryl

So what's your 0 - 60 mph figure

two up with 1/2 tank of gas??

Coz My RS running 9psi does it in 4.2..
Oh and with
STIV5 Suspension
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also will out handle a Eurorpean STI.. This I know because I've had several Euro STI drivers thrash it..

So why on earth would anybody want to buy a feeble next gen "USA WRX"?? 220 bhp .... Baaah Minnam Owners spit on that

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Old 07-04-2000, 07:18 AM   #14
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Round and round she goes....where she'll stop nobody knows!
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Old 07-04-2000, 07:42 AM   #15
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Pwrup,
you own a 2 too?! excellent! No way I'm selling mine. It's just too much of a kick to drive (and you know what mid engine sports cars are going for these days!). I'll bet you also have a favorite stretch of twisty road you head for just to unwind after a hard day's work. My MR2 turbo is why I take the long way home several times a week. Thanks for the reply. I have imagined having an RS (or REX) alongside my 2. How do you chose which to drive?! What upgrades have you done to it?

RSquire,
I know of the advantages of all wheel drive coming off the line. You'd beat me in 0-60 for sure. I could only hope for two things: a curve soon after, or a blast thru the quarter mile (at the very least, a run to top speed). You seem to have one hooked up RS there. Were I to buy an RS instead of a REX, I'm sure I'd follow a simiar upgrade path as you have. But I still have to stick by my upgrade guns: more potential power gain with an engine built for boost stresses (especially without having to open the engine up). I admire what you've done with your ARESS though. Nice work. What the hell? If I get an RS, you guys can teach me the ropes of a safe upgrade path. Who wants to be like Mike unless he drives a Subbie too?!
LOL!! You guys are alright in my book!!
thanks for the replies,
enjoy the 4th!!
Darryl
PS if you drive in Southern Ohio, keep an eye out for CLM192, a red MR2 with a single "cranked" 3" chromed exhaust tip (no, it aint there just for show).
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Old 07-04-2000, 08:03 AM   #16
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Darryl, you should check rsquire's profile. IMO either of his Scoobies would wipe the road with your MR2.

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Old 07-04-2000, 08:18 AM   #17
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Yes, do check out Richard profile, there's a lot to say about a turbo RS when you consider it's owner ALSO owns a 22b, the supposed king of the impreza hill.
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Old 07-04-2000, 06:22 PM   #18
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TO Og, and Jaimark,
Wipe my turbo2 with his RS? what a statement to make! I seem to recall giving the man his due in my last post. I didn't know the peanut gallery had sixth rights to the carcass! RSquire needs an entourage?!! LOL!!
OK, point taken. His RS might be bad-er than my two. We won't know for sure until I actually get timed, or we have the pleasure to get it on together. Then I suppose I'd have to invoke the Beast!! ( a super hot MR2 turbo). What are you two driving. Maybe RSquire can take me. How about you?
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Old 07-05-2000, 01:01 AM   #19
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Darryl,

Man, right now its easier than taking a dump on what car to take. My MR2 is under full construction right now. Motor is pulled out sitting on the garage floor. Waiting on mooola and parts. After rebuilding the motor I'm going to put my widebody on.

After that, I'm gonna save my money for a us spec turbo motor for the RS.

THEN I'll have trouble choosing which to drive! I know what you mean by the long way home bro, I know of more than a few places to flex the muscles and suspension on both cars. The damn roads are so damn hairy I always leave with a damn headache from concentrating so hard! And thats no lie!
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Old 07-05-2000, 01:08 AM   #20
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Come on over. I'll take you out in the Nissan. It turbo and AWD. Oh and another cool thing is the limited slip diff it comes with stock. Nissan won't answer any emails as to why the US doesn't get a AWD model.
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Old 07-05-2000, 05:11 AM   #21
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To all who replied,
I've enjoyed the back-and-forth letters very much. You're a fun group. Pwrup has me convinced I need to get some awd action as soon as I can. Still, I'll wait for the US-spec REX, and see what's up with it. It can't cost more than an Audi TT coupe (can it?). The wife wants me to get a bona fide multi-ass hauler. After getting the low-down from this group, I'd say she should be careful what she asks for!!

May the God of no-knock bestow upon you all her blessings of safe, and ample boost! May her cleavage ever serve as high beams on those dark, and seldom-traveled back roads! May her glorious knockers point the way on the foggiest of nights.
(Phew!! Sorry, just got off work on the night shift)
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