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Old 01-11-2001, 11:06 PM   #1
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Question About to buy a new manual RS but ...

I've never driven manual before, and I just recently moved into this area and don't have anyone to really teach me. How long does it usually take to learn to drive a stick? I'm thinking I could get a quick lesson from the salesman and be off .. am I crazy?
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Old 01-11-2001, 11:19 PM   #2
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If you learn in your bran new, very expensive and valuable subaru... it shouldn't take you too long to figure it out...

really though - you could pick it up quick enough, it's not that hard.

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Old 01-11-2001, 11:22 PM   #3
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Spend $700 on a beater with a manual instead.

The car salesman
A) Is good at selling cars, not teaching basic driving skills
B) Probably does not know how to drive a stick-shift himself.

On the other hand, perhaps a new Subaru is ideal for you to learn on, you can get your clucth replaced under warranty.
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Old 01-11-2001, 11:28 PM   #4
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The RS has a beautiful clutch to learn on.. I've got a 5-speed '91 Civic that's an absolute beastie. Feels like there's a huge lobe on a cam somewhere... nothin nothin nothin WHAM clutch. I helped a friend buy a '00 Eclipse (saved her about 2500) and she'd never driven a manual before... nothing like on-the-job training.
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Old 01-12-2001, 12:45 AM   #5
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I think it might be harder to learn on than other cars because of the light gas spring. I learned to drive standard on a del Sol and then when I got my RS I almost got a whiplash b/c of it. Try to apply even pressure as you press down on the gas pedal. My advice, make friend with some sucker and get him to teach you. You wouldn't want to be w/o your new car for clutch replacement, warranty or not.
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Old 01-12-2001, 12:46 AM   #6
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Two things you might want to consider are: 1) if the new stick will be your only car and 2) if you have to drive in traffic to work. Being new to driving a manual in rush-hour could be a little rough - especially if your clutch leg gets tired (can happen at first during extended periods of driving). Just a thought...
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Old 01-12-2001, 06:43 AM   #7
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My friend Subapooh learned with a little prior knowledge on the theory of how to drive a manual. He got it down pretty quick, but his sales person (the sales person auto-x's his 98 RS)helped him. You should be fine.

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Old 01-12-2001, 06:55 AM   #8
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If you have no idea how to drive a stick, then call a driving school to make a few practice sessions. That's your safest bet. And you won't kill your new impreza.

My first car was a manual. I took driver's ed with automatics. I knew when to shift and what gears to shift into based on speed and demand. But, I didn't know how to release the clutch properly when I'm starting (thus leading to engine stall or wheel spin). It took me about a 2-3 days to figure out.

You seem to be living in King of Prussia. There has to be at least one driving school in that town. Try Conshohocken area also.
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Old 01-12-2001, 06:59 AM   #9
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ill teach ya..i live near k o p ...its really not that hard considering i just learned...i knew how, but wasnt that good...i can do it fine now and ive had my car since christmas day...

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Old 01-12-2001, 07:09 AM   #10
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The 2.5rs was my first manual car. I learned from driving my GFs Geo Metro a couple of times. The impreza is a really easy car to drive in the 5sp varity IMHO. Do you have a friend or anyone you know in the area that has a stick shift? If so i would practice a few times...but i had only driven a 5spd 2 times before i drove mine of the lot..it was an adventure for a bout a week but then became second nature.

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Old 01-12-2001, 07:17 AM   #11
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Take up that previous guy's offer!

The RS should be a great car to learn in because of the more than normal torque it has due to its displacement(abundant torque helps at starts). 2.5L is large for 4 bangers. I learned in my brother's '87 Stang and that thing didn't need gas to start off at all!

When it was my turn to teach my younger brother, we started off in my '91 Civic Si and like the other replier said, it was a bitch! After an hour of stalling, I said, "Screw it!" and grabbed my '96 Z24 and its 2.4L was like night and day.

The best thing to do before you even start shifting through gears is to find a big lot and just remain in first and practice starts from stops. Without any gas at all, just slowly practice releasing the clutch pedal and LEARN the engagement feel and point of your clutch. Do it slowly so that you can get the car moving forward and as soon as you're done releasing the pedal all the way, hit the clutch and then brake to a stop. Then keep repeating for a half hour or so. Do it until you are really comfortable of your feel of the clutch engagement. Start, stop, start, stop, etc.

After this the next thing is smooth gear changes and grinding metal(Don't worry, it takes a lot to kill a manual tranny... a friend of mine was a co-op at some supplier that worked on the tranny for the old ZR-1 Vette and for 3 months, all he had to do was "beat up" the tranny as hard as he could to do some real life reliability testing. It survived his pounding quite alright... lucky bastage!). . I remember learning for two days in the Stang and then not having to drive a stick until 2 years later when I got my Civic, but I still remembered and just like when you first learn how to drive... it takes time to get proficient.

Enjoy.
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Old 01-12-2001, 08:22 AM   #12
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Thanks for the input guys,

My coworker here actually knows how to drive stick and can teach me. I'll still have my old automatic for at least a month so if I can get the dealership to deliver the car instead of me having to drive it home then I'm golden.

I've played my fair share of Gran Turismo and watched Initial D (racing anime) many times so I'll be shifting like a pro in no time!

cakes25rs, I'll hold your most gracious offer if I need it in consideration
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Old 01-12-2001, 08:29 AM   #13
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The first time I ever drove a stick was when I test drove and bought my '90 Legacy. Just have a good intuitive understanding of what the clutch and gearbox is and how they work and you will be able to learn just fine in 1/2 hour to an hour.

I think the people who have a lot of trouble are the ones who view the whole system as a "black box" with a clutch pedal, shifter, etc. These people just have to rote learn the techniques as opposed to just being able to think about how to do it.

Something tells me most 2.5RS drivers do NOT fit into the "my car is a big scary black box" category.

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ps That Legacy was the ultimate learn-to-drive stick-car, especially with the Hill Holder.
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Old 01-12-2001, 08:30 AM   #14
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No problem man...if ya need any help i probably live close by..one of my friends also has a rs, so maybe we could get together sometime...good luck with getting the car....let me know what happens

johnny

p.s. - what dealership??
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Old 01-12-2001, 08:44 AM   #15
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Glad to hear there's some Subaru enthusiasts nearby. I live right by the KoP mall. The dealership is Moyer, not the closest, but they have the specific one I'm looking for at the best price.
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Old 01-12-2001, 08:50 AM   #16
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cool, just so ya know. i drive a aspen white coupe...if ya ever see one its probably me..

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Old 01-12-2001, 08:52 AM   #17
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The Subaru will not be a gentle car to learn stick on, but you'll learn well. It's not Ferrari hard, but it's a tough clutch that will give someone used to Hondas a shock.

It did it to me!

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Old 01-12-2001, 08:59 AM   #18
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Do what my Dad did to me when I was 15...drive out with a friend to parking lot a couple miles away from your house, drive around for like 5 min. and then your friend can say "alright now drive home"...worked for me...I've never owned an automatic...probably never will. The GF wants to learn and if I teach her and we get hitched we're getting rid of her car, giving her my RS and I'm getting a WRX...*then myk wakes up in a cold sweat...*

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Old 01-12-2001, 09:08 AM   #19
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HeHE.......I learned to drive manual in a 1967 SS chevelle 396. That was a fun car
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Old 01-12-2001, 09:14 AM   #20
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I'll keep an eye out for ya Cakes!

Actually, as rare as people seem to make RSs to be on this forum, I see 2 everyday. There's a red coupe with clear lights and white windshield banner that parks by where I live, and a blue coupe everyday in the company parking lot. But I've never seen one on the road before.
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Old 01-12-2001, 09:14 AM   #21
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i learned standard on a 95 t-bird SC .. 330lbs of torq at like 2000 rpm.. really really heavy clutch.. umm yah.. was fun then i worked at a toyota dealership a few years back and drove so many 5-speeds.. its easy now.. any car regardless of any different i can drive no problem
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Old 01-12-2001, 09:34 AM   #22
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My first drive of a manual was when I went to a used car dealer to pick up my current car, a 90 Geo Metro. The 1L one. That engine is quite torquey at low RPM and the car is actually fun to drive. The Salesman gave me a 5 minute lesson driving around the block. On the way home My Dad gave me another hour lesson. The most difficult thing you run into as a beginner is when your stopped on a hill.

BTW What is everyones thoughts on what to do at stop lights? Put it in nutruel and let up on the clutch or keep it in first and keep the clutch in?
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Old 01-12-2001, 09:35 AM   #23
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the sedona red coupe is my buddies...
he probably works around there...

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Old 01-12-2001, 09:37 AM   #24
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Woah,
we've got kids learnin' 2 drive in here. Woah.
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Old 01-13-2001, 05:07 PM   #25
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i learned on my rs..but i've driven manual cars before(driven....not driven well)..took a little getting used to...it's easy...almost second nature
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