What no sunroof??

Neil Wallerstein · 01-11-2001, 07:59 PM

The WRX is $25,000 and it doesn't have a sunroof. That sucks. Heck the Outback gets 2!!

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christurismohk · 01-11-2001, 08:02 PM

yes..i knew that too
and i guess we can go to those america sun roof, and get one...they said is life time warantee

kelley nelson · 01-11-2001, 08:04 PM

They decrease chassis regidity and also decreases headroom. The loss is no skin off my nose at all. If you want, you can always get one installed aftermarket. I have seen a few installed in Outback Sports.

WRX Pilot · 01-11-2001, 08:04 PM

DeliciouSpeed · 01-11-2001, 08:27 PM

I for one am glad that when MY02 WRX is ready for me to pick up, there will be no sun roof.

REduces chassis riggidity, and makes the car slightly heavier.

RidinLow · 01-11-2001, 08:29 PM

I wonder how much of the 250% improved chassis rigidity came from losing the sunroof... hmmm....

AutoXr · 01-11-2001, 08:30 PM

Not a biggy to me either. If I want some open sky over my head I'll just drop the top on my Miata.

Portly · 01-11-2001, 09:46 PM

Yeah, I was pretty pleased to see that it doesn't have a sunroof. Hopefully if they decide to add one, it'll be an option instead of standard. I've never been able to own an RS 'cause I just don't fit into one - not enough headroom. So I have a wagon. Well, that and I needed the utility....

Jeff

kelley nelson · 01-11-2001, 09:53 PM

Without the sunroof it should have just the right amount of clearance for my head when I am wearing a helmet

Eric SS · 01-11-2001, 10:40 PM

No sunroof equals easier to put a cage in

Eric

glenstiles · 01-11-2001, 10:58 PM

Its funny, I never even gave it a second thought. When I had a Jetta with a sunroof, I really loved it. The SVX and Porsche both have sunroofs and its very nice. But I don't think its going to turn people away from the WRX- the performance is too impressive for it to matter.

Glen

rao · 01-11-2001, 11:09 PM

I would bet that a sunroof would add almost 100 lbs to the car.

wrxwannabe · 01-12-2001, 05:31 AM

Shudder...
The one thing and I mean the one thing I truely detest about my RS is the G@# D@#$ Sunroof. WRX's around the planet are not forced to endure such Fluff. For what else is it, in a car made for racing, why were we forced to have a stupid sunroof...

It's simple the whole automotive industry knows that most americans have no clue about what makes a good sports car. We have people bitching about the quality of the carpet in the trunk for crying out loud... Yet good carpet weighs a ton... If someone wants a fluff sports car go buy a acura or a lexus.. Just please keep your power windows and upgraded stereo and extra sound deadening out of the few cars remaining that don't weigh as much as a house and can actually get out of their own weigh. Please SOA don't be a leming and jump off the stupid cliff cause all the other car makers in the world think Americans are idiots...

Sorry about the rant..

but as you can tell I hate my sunroof and I may have to by an L and do some transplanting to keep me from going insane.

Later
Eric

mykrrrr · 01-12-2001, 06:16 AM

I don't think the sunroof adds 100lbs Rao.

The headroom isn't decreased that much since the panel slides out of the car instead of between the headliner & roof assembly. The systems that do that lose much more headroom than our cars. Good thing I'm not like 6'4"...

Personally, I wish SOA would bring the STi Type RA over here but that'll happen when poop don't stink...

-myk

[This message has been edited by mykrrrr (edited January 12, 2001).]

Adrian128 · 01-12-2001, 06:24 AM

I too am glad that it doesn't have a sunroof.. it's not about losing headroom, or less rigidity (though that is a good point) it's sunburn. As everyone knows, we have very intense sunlight here in Sydney, and I in particular do not like getting burnt. I have tinted windows all around, and the sunroof on my Civic only gets opened at night.. and only if it's a cool night. Those who want a hole in the roof can go cut one themselves... hehehe

DeliciouSpeed · 01-12-2001, 08:09 AM

I wish it also didn't come with AC, or side airbags, ditch that dead weight.
It already comes with a 260 AC. ****, thats All I ever need, two windows rolled down at 60 MPH.

STiShawn · 01-12-2001, 08:10 AM

I wish my RS didn't have a sunroof, it would be lighter and stiffer.

subarumantoo · 01-12-2001, 08:20 AM

Maybe someone should look into making a "Sun-Roof Removal Kit" for the RS. Get rid of all the panels and motors and just put in a carbon fiber piece to replace the missing parts. Might take 50lbs off the car!

Brahmzy · 01-12-2001, 08:29 AM

Well, as a previous RS owner, a current 2000 Legacy GT sedan owner, and a most definite future WRX owner, I must say the beautiful moonroof/sunroof in my Legacy has gotten used about twice since I've owned the car. I always used to think...Ooooh it's nice to have one if I need it. The point is, I DON'T need it. If it's open, the sun always shines in your eyes, detracting from your driving, if you accidentally leave it open, it seeems to "suck" dust and leaves and bugs in. NO THANKS...GOOD MOVE SUBARU. NOW TAKE OUT THE DARN A/C TOO!! C'mon we're tryin' to build a race car here! Actually, I NEVER use my A/C, so I'm gonna try and find a way to take it out of my WRX.

Adrian128 · 01-12-2001, 08:33 AM

I'm sure taking out the A/C is not that difficult.

And I'm also glad we got the Recaro style seats instead of the side airbags..YAY!!

Jon [in CT] · 01-12-2001, 09:16 AM

I am pleased there is no sun/moon roof in the new WRX. A roof is lighter, cheaper, and stiffer; provides maximum headroom; and cannot malfunction mechanically when it doesn't have a sun/moon roof. The center of a roof (without sun/moon roof) is the optimum location for communications antennas.

To "add lightness" to the WRX, one can easily remove the AC compressor/ducts, carpeting, sound-deadening materials, rear seats, and even air bags. But one can't easily remove a sun/moon roof.

micah · 01-12-2001, 11:26 AM

Seriously, why can't subaru just make a streetable, pure race car? Let's ditch the A/C, power windows, and radio. Oh and the side airbags!

I'm sure there would be a huge market in the US for an uncomfortable, unsafe race car. Subaru just doesn't seem to understand marketing at all.

mbs

ColinL · 01-12-2001, 11:42 AM

Quote:

The systems that do that lose much more headroom than our cars. Good thing I'm not like 6'4"...

Mike you don't have to be 6'4" to hit your head on the SUNROOF surround in a 98-01 RS, you can be shorter and wear a helmet. Mine rubs right on the edge of the sunroof, the lowest part of the ceiling. Very annoying, makes me think about getting a physically smaller helmet (have a Simpson LX8, should shelled out the bucks for a Bell Mag5).

And every time I pull into a driveway even with the sunroof shut I get a nice creak.

No thanks on the sunroof. If I want sun I'll buy a roadster and see the sky the proper way.

Kostamojen · 01-12-2001, 04:18 PM

Hey, whenever I'm driving in our 2000 Legacy GT Limited, the Sunroof is open! My dad is the only one who closes it... I wear a hat all the time anyway, so the sun doesnt bother me.

Plus, for some reason the Legacys are VERY loud when the windows are open (and I drive cars with windows open all the time, exept in rain + very cold weather, which is only like 15% of the time) so I open the sunroof instead... Its much quiter, and fresh air kicks ass.

Anyway, Sunroofs are good when you want luxury/option stuff... Not for a car like the WRX/RS though (Thats why I'm waiting for the 2002 RS)

SteveS · 01-12-2001, 04:24 PM

The new WRX doesn't have a sunroof due to improvements in the body structure. Mike Whelan went into some depth regarding what was actually done. The new car is much more rigid than the previous body style. Mike stated that most journalists that have driven the car have commented on this, and liked how it has improved handling and stability.

Oh yeah, there's a new support beam that runs from B pillar to B pillar, so no sunroof. Big deal.

Steve
http://www.lagging.com/

01-11-2001, 07:59 PM	#1
Neil Wallerstein Scooby Specialist Member#: 938 Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: O' Fallon, Missouri, US Vehicle: 2004 Former STi now Dakota 4x4	What no sunroof?? The WRX is $25,000 and it doesn't have a sunroof. That sucks. Heck the Outback gets 2!! * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

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christurismohk Scooby Newbie Member#: 3450 Join Date: Jan 2001	yes..i knew that too and i guess we can go to those america sun roof, and get one...they said is life time warantee

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kelley nelson NASIOC Supporter Member#: 135 Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: NJ	They decrease chassis regidity and also decreases headroom. The loss is no skin off my nose at all. If you want, you can always get one installed aftermarket. I have seen a few installed in Outback Sports.

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WRX Pilot Scooby Specialist Member#: 3487 Join Date: Jan 2001 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: 39.544733 104.944625

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DeliciouSpeed Scooby Specialist Member#: 3389 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: ContraCosta, Ca Vehicle: 07 STImpreza Satin	I for one am glad that when MY02 WRX is ready for me to pick up, there will be no sun roof. REduces chassis riggidity, and makes the car slightly heavier.

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RidinLow Scooby Guru Member#: 329 Join Date: Sep 1999 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NJ Vehicle: 1995 325i Arctic Gray	I wonder how much of the 250% improved chassis rigidity came from losing the sunroof... hmmm....

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AutoXr Scooby Specialist Member#: 2047 Join Date: Aug 2000 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: South Central, Alaska Vehicle: '04 Audi S4 Red	Not a biggy to me either. If I want some open sky over my head I'll just drop the top on my Miata.

01-11-2001, 09:46 PM	#8
Portly Scooby Specialist Member#: 1197 Join Date: Apr 2000 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Cedar Rapids, Iowa Vehicle: 1997 Impreza Wagon Mystic Blue Pearl	Yeah, I was pretty pleased to see that it doesn't have a sunroof. Hopefully if they decide to add one, it'll be an option instead of standard. I've never been able to own an RS 'cause I just don't fit into one - not enough headroom. So I have a wagon. Well, that and I needed the utility.... Jeff

01-11-2001, 09:53 PM	#9
kelley nelson NASIOC Supporter Member#: 135 Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: NJ	Without the sunroof it should have just the right amount of clearance for my head when I am wearing a helmet

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Eric SS Sooby Guru Member#: 1914 Join Date: Jul 2000 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: 2013 335i, 2011 G37 coupe Vehicle: 2000 2.5RS w/ EJ22T swap and N20. gone. : (	No sunroof equals easier to put a cage in Eric

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glenstiles Scooby Newbie Member#: 2827 Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Woodland, CA Vehicle: 2002 WRX wagon Silver, baby, silver	Its funny, I never even gave it a second thought. When I had a Jetta with a sunroof, I really loved it. The SVX and Porsche both have sunroofs and its very nice. But I don't think its going to turn people away from the WRX- the performance is too impressive for it to matter. Glen

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rao Scooby Specialist Member#: 52 Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Naperville, IL Vehicle: 2005 Legacy GT 98 BMW 540i LS2/T56	I would bet that a sunroof would add almost 100 lbs to the car.

01-12-2001, 05:31 AM	#13
wrxwannabe Scooby Specialist Member#: 1178 Join Date: Mar 2000 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Charlotte, NC Vehicle: 2004 WRX STI 02 Legacy GT Wagon	Shudder... The one thing and I mean the one thing I truely detest about my RS is the G@# D@#$ Sunroof. WRX's around the planet are not forced to endure such Fluff. For what else is it, in a car made for racing, why were we forced to have a stupid sunroof... It's simple the whole automotive industry knows that most americans have no clue about what makes a good sports car. We have people bitching about the quality of the carpet in the trunk for crying out loud... Yet good carpet weighs a ton... If someone wants a fluff sports car go buy a acura or a lexus.. Just please keep your power windows and upgraded stereo and extra sound deadening out of the few cars remaining that don't weigh as much as a house and can actually get out of their own weigh. Please SOA don't be a leming and jump off the stupid cliff cause all the other car makers in the world think Americans are idiots... Sorry about the rant.. but as you can tell I hate my sunroof and I may have to by an L and do some transplanting to keep me from going insane. Later Eric

01-12-2001, 06:16 AM	#14
mykrrrr Scooby Guru Member#: 733 Join Date: Jan 2000 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Squadra Delle Pecore Nere Vehicle: '13 Focus ST '85 GTi rally/road race	I don't think the sunroof adds 100lbs Rao. The headroom isn't decreased that much since the panel slides out of the car instead of between the headliner & roof assembly. The systems that do that lose much more headroom than our cars. Good thing I'm not like 6'4"... Personally, I wish SOA would bring the STi Type RA over here but that'll happen when poop don't stink... -myk [This message has been edited by mykrrrr (edited January 12, 2001).]

01-12-2001, 06:24 AM	#15
Adrian128 Scooby Specialist Member#: 3346 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sydney,Australia Vehicle: 2001 WRX Wagon Silver	I too am glad that it doesn't have a sunroof.. it's not about losing headroom, or less rigidity (though that is a good point) it's sunburn. As everyone knows, we have very intense sunlight here in Sydney, and I in particular do not like getting burnt. I have tinted windows all around, and the sunroof on my Civic only gets opened at night.. and only if it's a cool night. Those who want a hole in the roof can go cut one themselves... hehehe

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DeliciouSpeed Scooby Specialist Member#: 3389 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: ContraCosta, Ca Vehicle: 07 STImpreza Satin	I wish it also didn't come with AC, or side airbags, ditch that dead weight. It already comes with a 260 AC. ****, thats All I ever need, two windows rolled down at 60 MPH.

01-12-2001, 08:10 AM	#17
STiShawn Scooby Specialist Member#: 2348 Join Date: Sep 2000 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: St.Louis Vehicle: 2006 WRX TR Steel Grey Metallic	I wish my RS didn't have a sunroof, it would be lighter and stiffer.

01-12-2001, 08:20 AM	#18
subarumantoo Scooby Specialist Member#: 3257 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Houston, TX Vehicle: 2000 ImprezaRS Blue Ridge Pearl	Maybe someone should look into making a "Sun-Roof Removal Kit" for the RS. Get rid of all the panels and motors and just put in a carbon fiber piece to replace the missing parts. Might take 50lbs off the car!

01-12-2001, 08:29 AM	#19
Brahmzy Scooby Specialist Member#: 3293 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: CO Vehicle: '14 FXT-T 135i..gone > '15 STi?	Well, as a previous RS owner, a current 2000 Legacy GT sedan owner, and a most definite future WRX owner, I must say the beautiful moonroof/sunroof in my Legacy has gotten used about twice since I've owned the car. I always used to think...Ooooh it's nice to have one if I need it. The point is, I DON'T need it. If it's open, the sun always shines in your eyes, detracting from your driving, if you accidentally leave it open, it seeems to "suck" dust and leaves and bugs in. NO THANKS...GOOD MOVE SUBARU. NOW TAKE OUT THE DARN A/C TOO!! C'mon we're tryin' to build a race car here! Actually, I NEVER use my A/C, so I'm gonna try and find a way to take it out of my WRX.

01-12-2001, 08:33 AM	#20
Adrian128 Scooby Specialist Member#: 3346 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sydney,Australia Vehicle: 2001 WRX Wagon Silver	I'm sure taking out the A/C is not that difficult. And I'm also glad we got the Recaro style seats instead of the side airbags..YAY!!

01-12-2001, 09:16 AM	#21
Jon [in CT] * Banned * Member#: 2992 Join Date: Nov 2000 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Connecticut, USA Vehicle: 02 WRX Sedan Silver	I am pleased there is no sun/moon roof in the new WRX. A roof is lighter, cheaper, and stiffer; provides maximum headroom; and cannot malfunction mechanically when it doesn't have a sun/moon roof. The center of a roof (without sun/moon roof) is the optimum location for communications antennas. To "add lightness" to the WRX, one can easily remove the AC compressor/ducts, carpeting, sound-deadening materials, rear seats, and even air bags. But one can't easily remove a sun/moon roof.

01-12-2001, 11:26 AM	#22
micah Scooby Newbie Member#: 3154 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Columbia, SC, USA	Seriously, why can't subaru just make a streetable, pure race car? Let's ditch the A/C, power windows, and radio. Oh and the side airbags! I'm sure there would be a huge market in the US for an uncomfortable, unsafe race car. Subaru just doesn't seem to understand marketing at all. mbs

01-12-2001, 04:18 PM	#24
Kostamojen Scooby Guru Member#: 2272 Join Date: Sep 2000 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: haha XD Vehicle: 95 L AWD LIFTED!!! 1970 Subaru FF-1 Coupe	Hey, whenever I'm driving in our 2000 Legacy GT Limited, the Sunroof is open! My dad is the only one who closes it... I wear a hat all the time anyway, so the sun doesnt bother me. Plus, for some reason the Legacys are VERY loud when the windows are open (and I drive cars with windows open all the time, exept in rain + very cold weather, which is only like 15% of the time) so I open the sunroof instead... Its much quiter, and fresh air kicks ass. Anyway, Sunroofs are good when you want luxury/option stuff... Not for a car like the WRX/RS though (Thats why I'm waiting for the 2002 RS)

01-12-2001, 04:24 PM	#25
SteveS Scooby Specialist Member#: 6 Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: South Jersey Vehicle: 2007 BMW Z4 M Coupe Interlagos Blue	The new WRX doesn't have a sunroof due to improvements in the body structure. Mike Whelan went into some depth regarding what was actually done. The new car is much more rigid than the previous body style. Mike stated that most journalists that have driven the car have commented on this, and liked how it has improved handling and stability. Oh yeah, there's a new support beam that runs from B pillar to B pillar, so no sunroof. Big deal. Steve http://www.lagging.com/