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Old 11-03-2003, 12:38 AM   #1
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Question Is There Any Way To Softened The Clutch?

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i want my clutch to be smoother and not so stiff. like the clutch you find in an eclipse or rsx. my friend told me there were ways to adjust it so it would be softer, but i'm not sure if that's true and how you go about doing that.

any help would be appricated, thanks.
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Old 11-03-2003, 12:46 AM   #2
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Check with your dealer, from what i've heard they have the tools to adjust your clutch pedal so it's less sensitive.

i understand exactly where you're coming from, the WRX's clutch is WEIRD AS HELL compared to other imports

it took me a long time to get used to (I'm 1500+ miles and i'm now perfect most of the time, cept for that dumb throttle lag turbo spool problem. oh well)
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Old 11-03-2003, 01:06 AM   #3
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The stock clutch is about as soft as can be. Do those other cars really have softer clutches? That's not good.

I suppose you could shop around for a softer pressure plate or something, but that would be weird.
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Old 11-03-2003, 01:24 AM   #4
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The stock clutch is about as soft as can be. Do those other cars really have softer clutches? That's not good.

I suppose you could shop around for a softer pressure plate or something, but that would be weird.
just out of curiosity - could someone elaborate on why the wrx's clutch is stiff?

also, isn't there something there to adjust or does it take having to buy different plates?

thanks again.
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Old 11-03-2003, 01:46 AM   #5
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just out of curiosity - could someone elaborate on why the wrx's clutch is stiff?
it's not.
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Old 11-03-2003, 02:54 AM   #6
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AFAIK, it is possible to adjust the clutch to make it softer or harder depending on what you want.

AFAIK, from working on old air cooled VW's the clutch cable can be adjusted. I don't think it costs too much either. It was just a simple process with the old VW's.
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Old 11-03-2003, 03:11 AM   #7
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my clutch is indeed stiffer than the clutches of the civc si, rsx, eclipse, golf gti and probably many others. i just got back from a car show and i was specifically testing out the clutches of a lot of the cars and i know what i felt. now, there were some cars like the lancer who's clutch was stiffer than the wrx's and some others too - but, never the less the wrx's clutch is stiff compared to the other cars i tried out.

now, would adjusting the clutch to be softer cause any negative effects or clutch wear down?

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Old 11-03-2003, 05:32 AM   #8
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[quote]Originally posted by Tek
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now, would adjusting the clutch to be softer cause any negative effects or clutch wear down?

thanks.

I don't think so, but its best to ask someone in the know. It definitly can be done. I remember my old 1978 VW Bus had a soft clutch which I liked.
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Old 11-03-2003, 11:24 AM   #9
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You cannot soften how the clutch feels on these cars, they are hydraulic! Anyone who tells you you can adjust clutch to soften the pedal is wrong. The clutch is also not stiff on these cars at all - very much inline with other performance oriented cars in the category.

OEM is the softest that is made for the car, and thats what you have already. Exedy is equally as sooft, albeit can hold a bit more power. From there, all the clutches have stiffer pedals, which range from marginally stiffer to vastly stiffer depending on brand/make, etc.
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Old 11-03-2003, 12:06 PM   #10
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The firmness of the clutch pedal is determined by the springs in the pressure plate. No way to change it without installing a different clutch as Adam said.
The only adjustment possible is for pedal free-play.
The same is true for a cable-operated clutch as well. I used to own an air-cooled VW and I don't recall the clutch being all that soft considering it only had to hold 50 HP. I do recall very well how much fun it was when the cable broke.
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Old 11-03-2003, 12:16 PM   #11
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my cooper-s clutch is a tad heavier than the 02 wrx clutch....so lately the wrx clutch feels light.

my old maz protege5 clutch was super light.
the TSX clutch is pretty light too, like the RSX clutch.
its light but not wimpy... hard to explain...
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Old 11-14-2003, 02:27 PM   #12
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I have problems with my 2002 WRX clutch being too stiff also. It is really hard to live with during everyday driving. It actually is really painful for my foot after driving to work in traffic. I have even considered selling the car becuase of it. I took it to the Subaru dealership and they said it was "working fine" Regardless of it working fine it is more of a prefrence for me to have a softer clutch and they were not willing to address it. I have two friends with 2002 WRX's and their clutch pedals are not as stiff as mine. I have 22,000 miles on the car so if the clutch was going to loosen up a bit more it would have done it already. While looking for a new car I wanted to know how the clutch pedals felt on all the other manufactures cars. My WRX is the stiffest clutch out of all the cars I drove. Even the STI has a much better clutch. The cars I drove with much better clutch pressure would include the 350z, S2000, WRX STI, G35, Mini Cooper S, RX-8 to mention a few. I recently took my car to Suby Specialties in Monrovia to see what they could do. They explained that the Hydraulic clutch system cannot be adjusted. They want me to leave the car with them for a day. They may be able to figure something out. As for now I am just living with it. Decided not to get a new car though cause I like the WRX just not the clutch. But I guess that's the price you pay when you get a performance car. You get a performance clutch.
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Old 11-14-2003, 03:53 PM   #13
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I love driving my dads WRX because it is so nice and stiff. I don't understand what you guys mean by the clutch being so much different than other imports. I've driven practically all the imports listed above and find the clutch in the WRX to be just as good and easy. My own daily driver the 2.5RS, that clutch just sucks. No way in hell to drive that smooth, I wish there was a way to adjust it, but theres not, or at least thats what the dealer said.
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Old 11-14-2003, 04:25 PM   #14
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My clutch is stiff as well - however, I do like it that way - it just takes some getting used to. I remember borrowing my brothers A4 for a week cause my car was in the shop and then switching back to the WRX. Whoa , what a differance in the feel of the clutch. The WRX made me feel like i was getting a work out!!
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Old 11-14-2003, 08:08 PM   #15
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Maybe you should workout your legs more often j/k. As the clutch plate thins the pressure 'should' decrease through time. Just give it time.
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Old 11-16-2003, 09:15 PM   #16
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i kinda wish my clutch was alittle more stiff like an S2000
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Old 11-17-2003, 03:47 PM   #17
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This is off the topic but have any of you driven an M5?
Now there's a soft clutch.
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Old 11-18-2003, 11:14 AM   #18
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have you guys driven an impreza ts?

a friend has one of those and it is SO HARD TO CLUTCH PROPERLY... the feel is lousy and it seems to take forever to come up off the floorboards. i seriously had trouble adjusting to it it was so bad.

he ended up rigging a "helper spring" on the pedal assy. and it's better, but nowhere near as quick as a wrx. he gets jealous every time he drives my car.

seriously, if you're having a lot of trouble with the pedal force, maybe do some left calf exercises.

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Old 11-18-2003, 12:24 PM   #19
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Quote:
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My clutch is stiff as well - however, I do like it that way - it just takes some getting used to. I remember borrowing my brothers A4 for a week cause my car was in the shop and then switching back to the WRX. Whoa , what a differance in the feel of the clutch. The WRX made me feel like i was getting a work out!!
I know what you mean! My friend bought an A4 and we switched for a few hours and drove around. I felt like I couldn't tell when his clutch was fully engaging because it was so soft...

I like the WRXs clutch...but I do find it funny that it seems like I am constantly trying to drive smooth (and can't )
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stainless steel clutch lines dramatically imporve overall feel (and last forever too)
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Old 11-18-2003, 02:29 PM   #21
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I love the feel of the stock clutch in my WRX. With clutches, stiffer = better
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Old 11-19-2003, 12:42 PM   #22
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i drive a 93 accord DX and for some reason the clutch in that thing is EXTREMELY stiff. i test drove an RSX the other day and then got back in my car... holy ****. it felt like my clutch hit a brick wall at about half way pressed in. but after about 2 mins it starts to feel normal again. with the RSX clutch i don't even know when it's engaging or anything. no feedback at all. and the super quiet engine doesn't help either.

i drove the WRX and the clutch was more similar to my car. i like that. still the WRX clutch was softer than my 11 year old accord. the wrx clutch gave more feedback to judge when the clutch is slipping etc.

(side note, my 167k accord transmission seems more refined and smoother compared to the WRX tranny)
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Old 11-19-2003, 02:25 PM   #23
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What I have realized is that the WRX clutch is stiff. But some cars like mine have a much stiffer clutch than most WRX's. So some of you can relate and others cannot. It really has nothing to do with working out your leg or calf muscles. What I dislike is the pressure that the small aluminum pedal puts on the bottom of my foot. It can become quite painful after a bit of traffic.
I now want an STI which has great clutch pressure. Not stiff at all but very responsive. I am just afraid now of buying another stick shift because I cant tell what I dislike the most about my manual WRX. The stiff clutch or having to shift all the time. I think it's the fact that I dont like the clutch. But I dont want to make the same mistake twice of buying a manual car and disliking it. You never know I could buy an automatic and realize I liked driving a manual better. I just dont want to make a mistake becuase I dont have money to burn. My WRX is my first manual car. I have owned two other automatics previously.
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Old 11-19-2003, 02:42 PM   #24
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If you get an STi you'll be shifting constantly. The gear ratios are quite short and close.
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Old 11-20-2003, 09:30 PM   #25
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You want stiff, try an 80's 911. WRX clutches are not that stiff. It isn't a honda, but it isn't a leg breaker either. Of course, as disclaimer I ski and or mountain bike 2 days a week, so maybe my legs are used to abuse.
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