Co-worker, speeding 64 in a 55, has to pay $520.

Skirvdawg · 01-11-2001, 01:01 PM

OUCH!

My friend got stopped this weekend for doing 110 in a 55. Apparently the (female) cop thought he was cute or something, because she gave him a ticket for only 65 in a 55. That's the story, anyway. I haven't actually seen the ticket, so I can't prove it.

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Keith · 01-11-2001, 01:02 PM

WOW thats stupid! was she speeding while shooting the cop? I got a 78 in a 55 and paid like 200 for it.
sorry about ur friend
Keith

Snoopy · 01-11-2001, 01:04 PM

I looked at the official document. All it says is Excessive Speed. Nothing about otehr violations.

Tkacik · 01-11-2001, 01:07 PM

Thats rediculous.

CyberLogic · 01-11-2001, 01:07 PM

That's just horrible then!

tmat3 · 01-11-2001, 01:10 PM

Way too much!

I got a ticket in 1997. I was "apperently" driving 44mph at 30mph zone. I had to pay $100 and no points off my licence.

My friend got a ticket in 1999. He was apperently driving at 84mph at 65mph zone on I87 (really northern NYS). He had to pay about $130 and I think he got some points taken off his licence.

My father was driving his car in Japan about 10 years ago doing 180-200km/h in 60km/h zone. His licence got suspended for 2 days, had to go to traffic school, and the fine was about $500. My mom didn't like that one.

[This message has been edited by tmat3 (edited January 11, 2001).]

WRX Pilot · 01-11-2001, 01:12 PM

Its worse here in so cal (oc). Anything over the allotted calibration variance (+3-3) and they, the chp, will rite you up. A ticket for 70 in a 65 after penalty assessments, what that is i'm not sure, $498.00.

Rick Buckner · 01-11-2001, 01:17 PM

I just got a ticket a couple of weeks. 64 in a 55. Total cost $72.

Rick
http://www.kustomrydes.com

STiShawn · 01-11-2001, 01:18 PM

Damn the Man.....

RidinLow · 01-11-2001, 01:18 PM

Damn! I got ticketed for 82 in a 55 & I was more than happy to pay the $150 in fines.

CosmoTheCat · 01-11-2001, 01:50 PM

I got a ticket for 60 in a 55, cop clocked me at 76, I was doing 80 when I saw him. All this in an 89 Grand Caravan. I went to court, got to write a 500 word essay on why I shouldn't speed, got the ticket erased. Only time they've ever gotten out the book on me. Oh yeah, I was 17 and I took my mom to court with me.

SnapperHead · 01-11-2001, 01:53 PM

Well, until you stated what it said, most localities double fines if drag racing. I thought that might have been in. Or reckless driving maybe.

Em · 01-11-2001, 02:02 PM

If you're going to risk my life and family's along with your own, no fine is too high. Higher speed = lower reaction and greater impact force. Same for drunk driving and running red lights. All things far too many people do and/or tolerate. Not susprising in a country in which you can legally buy a device (radar detector) intended to help you break laws in ways that endanger others.

These things are SO tolerated that I can already predict the disagreement my post will cause....

AccidenT · 01-11-2001, 02:17 PM

Well, you also have to keep in mind that 55 is probably the speed limit for semis and SUVs, so 64 in a mustang on the same stretch of road isn't anywhere close to dangerous.

I'm a firm believer that in the majority of cases, the stupid, slower people are the reason speeding is dangerous. The exception to this being excessive speed, i.e. 120 in a 75, etc.

Martin V · 01-11-2001, 02:28 PM

Em,

I take it you never speed then? Always go
55 or under on the Highway/Freeway. On one hand I agree with you somewhat, as the speed
limit IS the law, though it might be said
it seems almost like that was a calculatedly
inflammatory post...

H1 · 01-11-2001, 02:38 PM

Em, you wanna make it illegal to buy a radar detector? My, haven't we been socially conditioned.

While you're at it, why not consider that half the people out there in cars and SUV's are of below average intelligence and pose a much larger threat to your family than I do driving at 5-10 mph above the "limit"

I usually stay out of things like this, but it's rare I see a post as retentive as that.

micah · 01-11-2001, 02:43 PM

Em-

When you say "these things" I worry that you are grouping DUI or running lights with speeding.

I will find some references tonight but I think you would be surprised if you read some of the studies that have been done re: speed and speed laws.

Do you think it is safer for the coworker in question to be driving 64 in a field of 64 mph traffic, or driving 55 in a field of 64 mph traffic? Regardless of the speed limit?

Higher speed = more danger. If 55 is safe, why not 45 or 35? What is the safety vs. convenience, time, and personal freedom tradeoff in "your" world? Banning automobiles would save a LOT of lives...

If 55 was safe in an age of leaf springs, non-collapsible steering columns, and 4 drum brakes, why do you not think 65 or 75 is safe now?

Do you disagree that the entire speed law system is in large part structured around revenue? Why are we not entitled to a jury trial for this dangerous crime?

You were definitely right to predict disagreement

cheers
mbs

soob2k · 01-11-2001, 02:54 PM

my friend was doing 80 on the 405 freeway in the slow lane, and tailgating, and no license plates!!! she was in a red mustang convertible... total fine: $107

go figure....

The1one4ever · 01-11-2001, 03:02 PM

While traveling from MN to Madison, WI the cop 'hiding' behind a tree on the side of the freeway lasered me and gave me a ticket. Was 100MPH in a 65mpg

but fine was $120. I was happy it wasn't much.

I think the cop was on crack or something cause that's not right. I don't think a judge would agree either.

The[1]one

ChimChim · 01-11-2001, 03:08 PM

Uuuuuhhhh...

WHERE on the beltway?!!!

I frequently find myself going over 100mph on that thing! It's just too easy to speed there sometimes when there isn't too much traffic.

Strepto · 01-11-2001, 03:22 PM

was it in a construction zone? I don't know if it's nation wide, but alot of state seem to double fines in consturction zones. That fine is outrageous!

Em · 01-11-2001, 03:26 PM

I agree about slow drivers--even ones going the speed limit when nobody else is coming close.

If all traffic is speeding and breaking the law, then all the drivers are at more risk than if they weren't--BUT given that situation, YES it would be safer to go with the crowd and speed, and I would do so. Not because it is safer to speed--but because it is safer not to be the ONLY one who isn't.

If the person who was fined was forced to speed by other people, then it is a shame that it wasn't someone else who got caught.

Obviously nobody you know has been killed by a speeder. There are legitmate reasons why the people I see speeding past the crowd every day ought to have been stopped by the police already. And the life of people I care about is the biggest. Thus the strong wording of my post.

And yes, if speeding is against the law, then I don't think it should be legal to defeat it. The law is for a reason--or don't have a law in the first place. Of course in setting those limits you are balancing many factors--energy, convenience, time, fun, etc... and the likelihood of taking someone's life.

People will say they see no way to persuade the majority of people to drive more safely--it's a lost case, speed included. Now we are in agreement!

CosmoTheCat · 01-11-2001, 03:37 PM

The double nickle is an ancient law that was imposed by earth-friendlies back in the 70's trying to get people to burn less gas in their three-ton hunks of american pig iron. Yes it made sense at the time, but now the cars are much safer, they're much better to the environment (The Vette Z-06 is a LEV, you know) etc. Personally I think it's much safer for me to go 80 in a 60 than a semi to go 70 in that same 60. The other day I was following a Greyhound doing 85 in a 70. ***... I think Semis, Busses, and large SUVs/trucks should be confined to a seperate roadway with lower speed limits. How many of you see people commuting to work by themselves in Suburbans, Excursions, et cetera in stop and go traffic? It totally grosses me out. I'd ride a scooter to school if it weren't so rainy here.

KooshDogg · 01-11-2001, 03:46 PM

DAMN! snoopy where was that? on the beltway the average pace of traffic tends to gravitate to 65 during the daytime, i can understand that if you're breaking the law you shouldn't get away with it, but to go any slower than that feels kinda unsafe when theres 18-wheelers flying by you at like 80mph, all too common there

JUST CURIOUS, but did she say it was an MD state trooper or a county officer?

N/A · 01-11-2001, 03:56 PM

If you think that driving fast alone is a greater danger then allowing for poorly trained drivers and basic idiots on cell phones then take a look at the book American Autobahn or go to the www.americanautobahn.com webpage and read the difference between the US with the 55mph limit and other countries with higher limits and better trained drivers. Then again everybody on the toll roads here in Japan drive faster then 55mph in cars with a lower crash rating and yet they have a lower death rate then the US as well.

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01-11-2001, 01:01 PM	#1
Skirvdawg Scooby Newbie Member#: 3375 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Virginia Beach Vehicle: 2002 VW Jetta Wagon Black	OUCH! My friend got stopped this weekend for doing 110 in a 55. Apparently the (female) cop thought he was cute or something, because she gave him a ticket for only 65 in a 55. That's the story, anyway. I haven't actually seen the ticket, so I can't prove it. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

01-11-2001, 01:02 PM	#2
Keith NASIOC Supporter Member#: 191 Join Date: Aug 1999 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Brooklyn Vehicle: 2012 J train Brown	WOW thats stupid! was she speeding while shooting the cop? I got a 78 in a 55 and paid like 200 for it. sorry about ur friend Keith

01-11-2001, 01:04 PM	#3
Snoopy Scooby Specialist Member#: 700 Join Date: Jan 2000 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: BANNED! Vehicle: 99 Impreza RS Silverthorn Metallic	I looked at the official document. All it says is Excessive Speed. Nothing about otehr violations.

01-11-2001, 01:07 PM	#4
Tkacik Scooby Guru Member#: 847 Join Date: Feb 2000 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Milledgeville, Georgia Vehicle: '06 Titan Crew Cab '03 Odyssey - EXL/RES	Thats rediculous.

01-11-2001, 01:07 PM	#5
CyberLogic Scooby Newbie Member#: 3482 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ, USA	That's just horrible then!

01-11-2001, 01:10 PM	#6
tmat3 Scooby Specialist Member#: 2817 Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: NYC and Troy, NY Vehicle: 2001 Impreza 2.5RS BRP	Way too much! I got a ticket in 1997. I was "apperently" driving 44mph at 30mph zone. I had to pay $100 and no points off my licence. My friend got a ticket in 1999. He was apperently driving at 84mph at 65mph zone on I87 (really northern NYS). He had to pay about $130 and I think he got some points taken off his licence. My father was driving his car in Japan about 10 years ago doing 180-200km/h in 60km/h zone. His licence got suspended for 2 days, had to go to traffic school, and the fine was about $500. My mom didn't like that one. [This message has been edited by tmat3 (edited January 11, 2001).]

01-11-2001, 01:12 PM	#7
WRX Pilot Scooby Specialist Member#: 3487 Join Date: Jan 2001 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: 39.544733 104.944625	Its worse here in so cal (oc). Anything over the allotted calibration variance (+3-3) and they, the chp, will rite you up. A ticket for 70 in a 65 after penalty assessments, what that is i'm not sure, $498.00.

01-11-2001, 01:17 PM	#8
Rick Buckner Scooby Specialist Member#: 320 Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Charleston, WV, US Vehicle: 1999 Impreza 2.5 Silverthorn	I just got a ticket a couple of weeks. 64 in a 55. Total cost $72. Rick http://www.kustomrydes.com

01-11-2001, 01:18 PM	#9
STiShawn Scooby Specialist Member#: 2348 Join Date: Sep 2000 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: St.Louis Vehicle: 2006 WRX TR Steel Grey Metallic	Damn the Man.....

01-11-2001, 01:18 PM	#10
RidinLow Scooby Guru Member#: 329 Join Date: Sep 1999 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NJ Vehicle: 1995 325i Arctic Gray	Damn! I got ticketed for 82 in a 55 & I was more than happy to pay the $150 in fines.

01-11-2001, 01:50 PM	#11
CosmoTheCat Scooby Newbie Member#: 3409 Join Date: Jan 2001 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Woolley Vehicle: 1998 Ram 2500 Green.	I got a ticket for 60 in a 55, cop clocked me at 76, I was doing 80 when I saw him. All this in an 89 Grand Caravan. I went to court, got to write a 500 word essay on why I shouldn't speed, got the ticket erased. Only time they've ever gotten out the book on me. Oh yeah, I was 17 and I took my mom to court with me.

01-11-2001, 01:53 PM	#12
SnapperHead Scooby Newbie Member#: 2740 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Schaumburg IL	Well, until you stated what it said, most localities double fines if drag racing. I thought that might have been in. Or reckless driving maybe.

01-11-2001, 02:02 PM	#13
Em Scooby Newbie Member#: 1697 Join Date: Jun 2000	If you're going to risk my life and family's along with your own, no fine is too high. Higher speed = lower reaction and greater impact force. Same for drunk driving and running red lights. All things far too many people do and/or tolerate. Not susprising in a country in which you can legally buy a device (radar detector) intended to help you break laws in ways that endanger others. These things are SO tolerated that I can already predict the disagreement my post will cause....

01-11-2001, 02:17 PM	#14
AccidenT Scooby Specialist Member#: 2024 Join Date: Aug 2000 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: South Portland, ME Vehicle: 2005 Legacy 2.5i Atlantic Blue Pearl	Well, you also have to keep in mind that 55 is probably the speed limit for semis and SUVs, so 64 in a mustang on the same stretch of road isn't anywhere close to dangerous. I'm a firm believer that in the majority of cases, the stupid, slower people are the reason speeding is dangerous. The exception to this being excessive speed, i.e. 120 in a 75, etc.

01-11-2001, 02:28 PM	#15
Martin V Scooby Newbie Member#: 2773 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Madison WI USA Vehicle: 1999 Impreza 2.5 RS Silverthorn	Em, I take it you never speed then? Always go 55 or under on the Highway/Freeway. On one hand I agree with you somewhat, as the speed limit IS the law, though it might be said it seems almost like that was a calculatedly inflammatory post...

01-11-2001, 02:38 PM	#16
H1 Scooby Newbie Member#: 3083 Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: CA Vehicle: 1997 Miata M-Edition Green	Em, you wanna make it illegal to buy a radar detector? My, haven't we been socially conditioned. While you're at it, why not consider that half the people out there in cars and SUV's are of below average intelligence and pose a much larger threat to your family than I do driving at 5-10 mph above the "limit" I usually stay out of things like this, but it's rare I see a post as retentive as that.

01-11-2001, 02:43 PM	#17
micah Scooby Newbie Member#: 3154 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Columbia, SC, USA	Em- When you say "these things" I worry that you are grouping DUI or running lights with speeding. I will find some references tonight but I think you would be surprised if you read some of the studies that have been done re: speed and speed laws. Do you think it is safer for the coworker in question to be driving 64 in a field of 64 mph traffic, or driving 55 in a field of 64 mph traffic? Regardless of the speed limit? Higher speed = more danger. If 55 is safe, why not 45 or 35? What is the safety vs. convenience, time, and personal freedom tradeoff in "your" world? Banning automobiles would save a LOT of lives... If 55 was safe in an age of leaf springs, non-collapsible steering columns, and 4 drum brakes, why do you not think 65 or 75 is safe now? Do you disagree that the entire speed law system is in large part structured around revenue? Why are we not entitled to a jury trial for this dangerous crime? You were definitely right to predict disagreement cheers mbs

01-11-2001, 02:54 PM	#18
soob2k Scooby Newbie Member#: 567 Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: La Habra, CA, USA	my friend was doing 80 on the 405 freeway in the slow lane, and tailgating, and no license plates!!! she was in a red mustang convertible... total fine: $107 go figure....

01-11-2001, 03:02 PM	#19
The1one4ever Scooby Newbie Member#: 1401 Join Date: May 2000 Location: Maplewood, MN	While traveling from MN to Madison, WI the cop 'hiding' behind a tree on the side of the freeway lasered me and gave me a ticket. Was 100MPH in a 65mpg but fine was $120. I was happy it wasn't much. I think the cop was on crack or something cause that's not right. I don't think a judge would agree either. The[1]one

01-11-2001, 03:08 PM	#20
ChimChim Scooby Specialist Member#: 1980 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Yokohama papa	Uuuuuhhhh... WHERE on the beltway?!!! I frequently find myself going over 100mph on that thing! It's just too easy to speed there sometimes when there isn't too much traffic.

01-11-2001, 03:22 PM	#21
Strepto Scooby Specialist Member#: 252 Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: San Antonio, TX Vehicle: 2001 Arctic White Camaro SS #1800	was it in a construction zone? I don't know if it's nation wide, but alot of state seem to double fines in consturction zones. That fine is outrageous!

01-11-2001, 03:26 PM	#22
Em Scooby Newbie Member#: 1697 Join Date: Jun 2000	I agree about slow drivers--even ones going the speed limit when nobody else is coming close. If all traffic is speeding and breaking the law, then all the drivers are at more risk than if they weren't--BUT given that situation, YES it would be safer to go with the crowd and speed, and I would do so. Not because it is safer to speed--but because it is safer not to be the ONLY one who isn't. If the person who was fined was forced to speed by other people, then it is a shame that it wasn't someone else who got caught. Obviously nobody you know has been killed by a speeder. There are legitmate reasons why the people I see speeding past the crowd every day ought to have been stopped by the police already. And the life of people I care about is the biggest. Thus the strong wording of my post. And yes, if speeding is against the law, then I don't think it should be legal to defeat it. The law is for a reason--or don't have a law in the first place. Of course in setting those limits you are balancing many factors--energy, convenience, time, fun, etc... and the likelihood of taking someone's life. People will say they see no way to persuade the majority of people to drive more safely--it's a lost case, speed included. Now we are in agreement!

01-11-2001, 03:37 PM	#23
CosmoTheCat Scooby Newbie Member#: 3409 Join Date: Jan 2001 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Woolley Vehicle: 1998 Ram 2500 Green.	The double nickle is an ancient law that was imposed by earth-friendlies back in the 70's trying to get people to burn less gas in their three-ton hunks of american pig iron. Yes it made sense at the time, but now the cars are much safer, they're much better to the environment (The Vette Z-06 is a LEV, you know) etc. Personally I think it's much safer for me to go 80 in a 60 than a semi to go 70 in that same 60. The other day I was following a Greyhound doing 85 in a 70. ***... I think Semis, Busses, and large SUVs/trucks should be confined to a seperate roadway with lower speed limits. How many of you see people commuting to work by themselves in Suburbans, Excursions, et cetera in stop and go traffic? It totally grosses me out. I'd ride a scooter to school if it weren't so rainy here.

01-11-2001, 03:46 PM	#24
KooshDogg Scooby Newbie Member#: 134 Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Washington, DC, USA	DAMN! snoopy where was that? on the beltway the average pace of traffic tends to gravitate to 65 during the daytime, i can understand that if you're breaking the law you shouldn't get away with it, but to go any slower than that feels kinda unsafe when theres 18-wheelers flying by you at like 80mph, all too common there JUST CURIOUS, but did she say it was an MD state trooper or a county officer?

01-11-2001, 03:56 PM	#25
N/A Scooby Specialist Member#: 133 Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Maryland (not by choice) Vehicle: 2003 Echo-daily car silver	If you think that driving fast alone is a greater danger then allowing for poorly trained drivers and basic idiots on cell phones then take a look at the book American Autobahn or go to the www.americanautobahn.com webpage and read the difference between the US with the 55mph limit and other countries with higher limits and better trained drivers. Then again everybody on the toll roads here in Japan drive faster then 55mph in cars with a lower crash rating and yet they have a lower death rate then the US as well.