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Old 06-29-2000, 11:20 PM   #1
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Post Boxter S and Audi S4 Avant......

... were today's test-drives

the Boxter S:
Good:
-the car itself
-chasis is mindblowing
-suspention is soo damn good
-the brakes couls handle twice the weight and three times the power

Baaaaad:
-it is lacking about 100bhp to be fun 250 feeld like a stock RS


the S4 Avant: My favorite so far
Good:
-282bhp (non restricted)
-AWD system is splendid
-mostly everything else
-Avant RULES !

Bad:
-Suspension does the job but could be 2" lower and alot more stiffer
-the rowing syndrome


both were the same price 55 000$us

the S4 is now on my list

tomorrow at 11:00 we try the S2000


O/...
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Old 06-30-2000, 12:41 AM   #2
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Maybe you should wait for the RS4 wagon. About 150 more hp than stock(430), 18 wheels, lowered, bodykit, that kind of stuff.
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Old 06-30-2000, 11:41 AM   #3
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the guy taled to me about it but it will be 70 000 extra, that's 35 000$us extra on top of the price of the S4. just a tad out of my range right now.

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Old 06-30-2000, 11:59 AM   #4
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18 wheels!!! Holy cow, that thing's gonna have some GRIP!!

I've driven an S2000, got some good seat time on some nice winding back roads here in CT. I don't think I would buy one, primarily because I am a torque worshipper. 9000rpm redline, yeah, whatever, where's the torque?! It's cool to wind a car up to 9000rpm, but I'd rather rev to 6000rpm and actually feel myself pressed into the seat HARD (hence my supercharged 5.0L Mustang).

The car is definitely entertaining to drive. I had some fun, but didn't even come close to pushing the limits of the suspension or brakes. It is amazingly solid for a convertible, although when you design a car as a convertible from the ground up it should be solid. (My poor Mustang convertible is just a coupe with the top cut off and a bit of extra bracing added, and you can tell.)

The shifter is nice, but a bit notchier than I expected. I had mixed feelings about that - after I got used to it I decided I liked it, that it gave it a cool mechanical feeling. When I first put it in gear, though, I was surprised at how it felt.

I've never driven a VTEC car before, but I've always read about the sudden burst of power when you hit the VTEC region. Well, I didn't feel any surge. Maybe the S2000 has a smoother transition than the Civic Si and the ITR.

The biggest disappointment for me was the clutch pedal. At the time the Subie was in the body shop, so I was driving my sister's '97 Jetta GT. Even my sister (who is not at all a car afficionado) agrees with me that the clutch throw on her car is ridiculous. Well, the S2000's clutch pedal felt almost the same! I drove my buddy's S2000 out to the body shop to pick up my car, and after driving the Jetta for 4 days, and then the S2000 for 20min, the clutch in my Legacy felt like a spring-loaded ON/OFF switch (and I mean that in a good way). I couldn't believe how much tighter and shorter the clutch pedal throw on my Legacy is compared to the S2000's clutch. Quite strange for a top line sports car to have such a slack, long throw clutch.

All this has come off sounding quite negative. Don't get me wrong, the car is swweeeettt, I just wouldn't buy one myself. If somebody said, "Here, take this S2000 for free," I sure as hell wouldn't turn them away. My friend said he feels like a new parent - everybody has to come over and take a look at his new baby, ask questions, touch it, and he feels so proud.

Anyway, enjoy your ride. I'll be interested to read what you think of the car. Here's my summary:

Good:
-very solid chassis
-great handling and brakes
-AMAZING seats - man I wish I had seats like that in the Stang

Bad:
-no torque
-wimpy clutch


Pat Olsen
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Old 06-30-2000, 01:02 PM   #5
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The RS4 Avant was recently compared to a Skyline GT-R on this month's CAR magazine. That WAGON has 380 AWD power! Crazy crazy crazy! That would make a trip to the grocery mart and soccer practise alot more fun!
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Old 06-30-2000, 01:31 PM   #6
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yes indeed but i can pickup a Skyline GTR V-spec for 34 000nz or something like that...

kinda far from the 110 000 for the S4 and 180 000 for the RS4...

BTW 2nz=1us

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Old 06-30-2000, 02:09 PM   #7
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My GF is looking for a new car. She has a little more $$ to spend than I did when looking for a new car so she's upped her level a bit. She's currently debating between the Audi A4 2.8 Quattro and VW Passat 4Motion. Both are great choices if you ask me. After driving in my Subaru, I have her convinced of the effectiveness of AWD, now she doesn't want anything less. I love smart women. Hopefully I can convince her that when we get married and have kids, we'll have to trade in the Audi A4 for the Wagon, S4 of course. I sure as hell wouldn't mind driving that station wagon around. What a blast to embarass Corvette owners with a wagon.

Having driven both the Audi A4 and Passat 4Motion, here's how I would rate them.

Basicall, the drivetrains are identical for those of you that don't know. The Passat is basically an Audi A4 in different clothes.

PASSAT 4 MOTION
Good:
-Beautiful V6, Plenty of Torque
-Great Automatic (Tiptronic 5spd)
-AWD
-Lots of interior & luggage space
-Comftorable seating, even for 5 people
-Cost...~$25K w/ just about everything
-Great Warranty, 10yr/100K Powertrain

Bad:
-Bland styling
-Somewhat Mushy suspension
-Acceleration. Could use about 40hp.

AUDI A4 2.8 Quattro
Good:
-Beautiful V6, Plenty of Torque
-Great Automatic (Tiptronic 5spd)
-AWD
-Great Handling (W/ sport package)
-Much sleeker styling

Bad:
-Lack of Interior space
-Gauge Layout
-Acceleration. Could use about 40hp.
-Cost$$ ~$32K with about everything

Personally, I'd get the VW since you basically get a Audi A4 in disguise for about $4-6K less. Tweak the suspension a bit and up the power a bit and you'll have a great car if not for great styling.

But, if you don't plan on keeping the car for very long, the Audi makes more sense due to it's inherently higher resale value due to it's Marquee. Other than that, there's not much going for the Audi other than looks.

Dave
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Old 06-30-2000, 02:14 PM   #8
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Dave, i'm in New Zealand...
normally aspirated AWD cars do not belong on my list, here you can buy an STi Version 6 type R for the price of an A4 V6...


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Old 07-01-2000, 12:06 AM   #9
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also, looking at it carefully, the S4 is 110 000nz and the B4 is 56 000nz.

they bothe have the same power, both have amazing AWD systems, 17"wheels (the B4's are nicer), sport seats.

the suspension on the B4 is MUCH sportier, but it doesn't have the brakes of the S4, nor the 6th gear (i tend to be biased by that 6spd tranny)

so i'm guessing that a good set of AP brakes for the B4 and we have a better car

oh and i still haven't forgoten that EVO 5 @ around the same price as the B4 but without any warranty 'cuz it's a Jap import

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