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Old 10-08-2000, 02:53 PM   #1
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Thumbs up OT: VW's new European TDI. More hp + AWD!!!

Think I've got enough acronyms in there?
Heh.

Seriously, www.vwvortex.com has a new article on a brand new TDI (diesel) engine being introduced to VW's already-huge lineup of powerplants.
http://www.vwvortex.com/news/09_00/09_19/index.shtml

Many cool things about this, however:

- Higher horsepower/torque than the 1.8T
- 45mpg (!!!)
- Available with a 6-speed manual
- Availabile with 4Motion AWD system

Can you say "Wow!" Pretty damn cool.

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Old 10-08-2000, 03:14 PM   #2
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I like it!
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Old 10-08-2000, 03:24 PM   #3
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Hey me too.

Man I tell ya I was *THIS* close to buying a Golf 1.8T four-door. Man they are such cool cars. Alas I was bitten by the AWD/stiffer chassis bug of Subaru. Though if the Golfs had 4Motion, I'd have forsaken Subaru in a heartbeat.

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Old 10-08-2000, 04:09 PM   #4
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i like it
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Old 10-08-2000, 09:35 PM   #5
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Diesels are REALLY looking like good performance alternatives lately. All of the articles i've read in euro mags have had nothing but praise for the grunt that the new diesels put out. evo rated the BMW 330i diesel as the top BMW in the line right now! Its all about TORQUE!

I would have opted for a TDi Golf if i didn't get my RS.
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Old 10-09-2000, 04:54 AM   #6
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Funny, I now drive a modded TDI and am thinking of a Suby next....


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Old 10-09-2000, 05:37 AM   #7
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Do you like your TDI, Tom?

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Old 10-09-2000, 05:58 AM   #8
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I love the TDI, which is my dilemma. The WRX is VERY tempting from the performance point of view.
My TDI has a Hermann Tuning Box installed giving me 115 hp and nearly 200 lbs. I have a H&R + Koni suspension to tighten up the lardy chassis, and ABT wheels with Yokos. It truly is a wonderful car. A high of 54 mpg is nothing to sneeze at either.
My only problems with it are that it lacks the viscerality of early VWs I have owned. It is almost too civilized.
I could also really use AWD here in MA, especially with my 100 mile per day commute.

Cheers.

http://www.geocities.com/abtgolftdi/

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Old 10-09-2000, 09:18 AM   #9
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Now that is a commuter car!

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Old 10-09-2000, 09:41 AM   #10
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Yeah no kidding!! Jeez, two gallons of fuel in one day's commute for the guy, not too shabby! I understand the wanting of AWD though, hey I'm just north of you.

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Old 10-09-2000, 09:42 AM   #11
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Oh Tom, one more thing!

How does your car SOUND? I would think a diesel would sound kinda funky...

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Old 10-09-2000, 10:22 AM   #12
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It's odd, but there isn't any!
On startup on a really cold morning it will give a distant but characteristic knocking sound until you pull out of your driveway. By 25 mph and warm, it's gone. It is actually REALLY quiet on the highway as the revs are kept so low.
If you open the hood you can hear it, but it is not loud at all.
I actually kinda like it. Oh, and there is no exhaust sound at all.

-Matt
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Old 10-09-2000, 10:40 AM   #13
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My parents have a Jetta TDI, I've driven it a bit, it sounds like a tracor at idle - which is actually pretty cool. At anything above 1300 RPM it's pretty normal, you can hear the Turbo spool up too.
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Old 10-09-2000, 01:43 PM   #14
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The only diesel I can recall experiencing was an old VW Rabbit of my mother's. 0-60 in... oh I don't think it went that fast!

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Old 10-09-2000, 02:54 PM   #15
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Do turbos work better using deisel? Or it does not matter? I always figured about gas quality affects turbo performance (well the higher the OCT number the better for the turbo).. how does this equate with the Deisel? I know MB uses deisel turbo engines
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Old 10-09-2000, 03:05 PM   #16
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The turbo is much happier with the Diesel engine. Diesels run much cooler (in VW's case about 1/2 the Gas turbo temps). I can even open my hood after a hard run and not get blasted like you do with some gas cars.

These TDIs can be made quite quick. I know of a guy who has broken the 7 second 0-60 barrier with his Beetle TDI. Cool stuff.
The TDIs also have better turbos than the gas cars, using Garret VNT variable vane units. Sometimes I squeeze the accelerator just to hear it whistle.

Still want a WRX though....

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Old 10-09-2000, 03:16 PM   #17
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Matt - TDI's are a cool cult car. VW built a TDI Golf race car a couple of years ago with over 500 ft-lbs of torque and 4WD. Mamamia! I'm one of those poor slobs who has a negative stereotype for all deisels. Suppose I followed one too many Buick's in my youth.

Do you ever have trouble finding gas?
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Old 10-09-2000, 03:25 PM   #18
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Never had trouble filling it. With 600+ miles per tank, it's not really a problem. There are many stations I can pick from. Being real anal-retentive as I am, I usually fill it a 1/4 tank remaning.

I too had negative stereotypes, but after I found out what the Germans had done with the modern diesels, well its's just amazing. Performance without penalty.
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Old 10-09-2000, 03:41 PM   #19
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(pls forgive re-post if it comes up twice)

BMW 330d: 2.9L turbo six, 193 bhp, 316 lb-ft (latest figs), 143 mph, 0-60 in 7.8. 40 mpg. Cheaper than 328i (and by association, 330i).

Alpina D10: based on 530d. TT version of engine, above. Something like 260 bhp and 400 lb-ft. 160 mph, 0-60 in about 7 sec.

740d: 3.9L tt V8. 245 bhp, 413 lb-ft. 155 mph, 0-60 in 8 sec. 35 mpg.

Still, diesels eh? Only good for tractors!

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