OT: VW's new European TDI. More hp + AWD!!!

Siper2 · 10-08-2000, 02:53 PM

Think I've got enough acronyms in there?

Heh.

Seriously, www.vwvortex.com has a new article on a brand new TDI (diesel) engine being introduced to VW's already-huge lineup of powerplants.
http://www.vwvortex.com/news/09_00/09_19/index.shtml

Many cool things about this, however:

- Higher horsepower/torque than the 1.8T
- 45mpg (!!!)
- Available with a 6-speed manual
- Availabile with 4Motion AWD system

Can you say "Wow!" Pretty damn cool.

-S2-

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MikeYOX · 10-08-2000, 03:14 PM

I like it!

Siper2 · 10-08-2000, 03:24 PM

Hey me too.

Man I tell ya I was *THIS* close to buying a Golf 1.8T four-door. Man they are such cool cars. Alas I was bitten by the AWD/stiffer chassis bug of Subaru. Though if the Golfs had 4Motion, I'd have forsaken Subaru in a heartbeat.

-S2-

joe2000impreza · 10-08-2000, 04:09 PM

i like it

rB5 · 10-08-2000, 09:35 PM

Diesels are REALLY looking like good performance alternatives lately. All of the articles i've read in euro mags have had nothing but praise for the grunt that the new diesels put out. evo rated the BMW 330i diesel as the top BMW in the line right now! Its all about TORQUE!

I would have opted for a TDi Golf if i didn't get my RS.

Tom Bombadill · 10-09-2000, 04:54 AM

Funny, I now drive a modded TDI and am thinking of a Suby next....

Siper2 · 10-09-2000, 05:37 AM

Do you like your TDI, Tom?

-S2-

Tom Bombadill · 10-09-2000, 05:58 AM

I love the TDI, which is my dilemma. The WRX is VERY tempting from the performance point of view.
My TDI has a Hermann Tuning Box installed giving me 115 hp and nearly 200 lbs. I have a H&R + Koni suspension to tighten up the lardy chassis, and ABT wheels with Yokos. It truly is a wonderful car. A high of 54 mpg is nothing to sneeze at either.
My only problems with it are that it lacks the viscerality of early VWs I have owned. It is almost too civilized.
I could also really use AWD here in MA, especially with my 100 mile per day commute.

Cheers.

http://www.geocities.com/abtgolftdi/

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[This message has been edited by Tom Bombadill (edited October 09, 2000).]

Dustin · 10-09-2000, 09:18 AM

Now that is a commuter car!

Dustin

Siper2 · 10-09-2000, 09:41 AM

Yeah no kidding!! Jeez, two gallons of fuel in one day's commute for the guy, not too shabby! I understand the wanting of AWD though, hey I'm just north of you.

-S2-

Siper2 · 10-09-2000, 09:42 AM

Oh Tom, one more thing!

How does your car SOUND? I would think a diesel would sound kinda funky...

-S2-

Tom Bombadill · 10-09-2000, 10:22 AM

It's odd, but there isn't any!
On startup on a really cold morning it will give a distant but characteristic knocking sound until you pull out of your driveway. By 25 mph and warm, it's gone. It is actually REALLY quiet on the highway as the revs are kept so low.
If you open the hood you can hear it, but it is not loud at all.
I actually kinda like it. Oh, and there is no exhaust sound at all.

-Matt

Subu WEX · 10-09-2000, 10:40 AM

My parents have a Jetta TDI, I've driven it a bit, it sounds like a tracor at idle - which is actually pretty cool. At anything above 1300 RPM it's pretty normal, you can hear the Turbo spool up too.

Siper2 · 10-09-2000, 01:43 PM

The only diesel I can recall experiencing was an old VW Rabbit of my mother's. 0-60 in... oh I don't think it went that fast!

-S2-

NickSTi · 10-09-2000, 02:54 PM

Do turbos work better using deisel? Or it does not matter? I always figured about gas quality affects turbo performance (well the higher the OCT number the better for the turbo).. how does this equate with the Deisel? I know MB uses deisel turbo engines

Tom Bombadill · 10-09-2000, 03:05 PM

The turbo is much happier with the Diesel engine. Diesels run much cooler (in VW's case about 1/2 the Gas turbo temps). I can even open my hood after a hard run and not get blasted like you do with some gas cars.

These TDIs can be made quite quick. I know of a guy who has broken the 7 second 0-60 barrier with his Beetle TDI. Cool stuff.
The TDIs also have better turbos than the gas cars, using Garret VNT variable vane units. Sometimes I squeeze the accelerator just to hear it whistle.

Still want a WRX though....

T-WRX · 10-09-2000, 03:16 PM

Matt - TDI's are a cool cult car. VW built a TDI Golf race car a couple of years ago with over 500 ft-lbs of torque and 4WD. Mamamia! I'm one of those poor slobs who has a negative stereotype for all deisels. Suppose I followed one too many Buick's in my youth.

Do you ever have trouble finding gas?

Tom Bombadill · 10-09-2000, 03:25 PM

Never had trouble filling it. With 600+ miles per tank, it's not really a problem. There are many stations I can pick from. Being real anal-retentive as I am, I usually fill it a 1/4 tank remaning.

I too had negative stereotypes, but after I found out what the Germans had done with the modern diesels, well its's just amazing. Performance without penalty.

Andy_T · 10-09-2000, 03:41 PM

(pls forgive re-post if it comes up twice)

BMW 330d: 2.9L turbo six, 193 bhp, 316 lb-ft (latest figs), 143 mph, 0-60 in 7.8. 40 mpg. Cheaper than 328i (and by association, 330i).

Alpina D10: based on 530d. TT version of engine, above. Something like 260 bhp and 400 lb-ft. 160 mph, 0-60 in about 7 sec.

740d: 3.9L tt V8. 245 bhp, 413 lb-ft. 155 mph, 0-60 in 8 sec. 35 mpg.

Still, diesels eh? Only good for tractors!

Andy T

10-08-2000, 02:53 PM	#1
Siper2 Scooby Guru Member#: 1134 Join Date: Mar 2000 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Dillsburg, PA Vehicle: 2007 BMW 328xi wagon Silver	OT: VW's new European TDI. More hp + AWD!!! Think I've got enough acronyms in there? Heh. Seriously, www.vwvortex.com has a new article on a brand new TDI (diesel) engine being introduced to VW's already-huge lineup of powerplants. http://www.vwvortex.com/news/09_00/09_19/index.shtml Many cool things about this, however: - Higher horsepower/torque than the 1.8T - 45mpg (!!!) - Available with a 6-speed manual - Availabile with 4Motion AWD system Can you say "Wow!" Pretty damn cool. -S2- * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

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Tom Bombadill Scooby Newbie Member#: 2386 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Marshfield, MA. Vehicle: 2002 BMW 330i Titanium Silver	Funny, I now drive a modded TDI and am thinking of a Suby next....

10-09-2000, 05:37 AM	#7
Siper2 Scooby Guru Member#: 1134 Join Date: Mar 2000 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Dillsburg, PA Vehicle: 2007 BMW 328xi wagon Silver	Do you like your TDI, Tom? -S2-

10-09-2000, 05:58 AM	#8
Tom Bombadill Scooby Newbie Member#: 2386 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Marshfield, MA. Vehicle: 2002 BMW 330i Titanium Silver	I love the TDI, which is my dilemma. The WRX is VERY tempting from the performance point of view. My TDI has a Hermann Tuning Box installed giving me 115 hp and nearly 200 lbs. I have a H&R + Koni suspension to tighten up the lardy chassis, and ABT wheels with Yokos. It truly is a wonderful car. A high of 54 mpg is nothing to sneeze at either. My only problems with it are that it lacks the viscerality of early VWs I have owned. It is almost too civilized. I could also really use AWD here in MA, especially with my 100 mile per day commute. Cheers. http://www.geocities.com/abtgolftdi/ [edit:url] [This message has been edited by Tom Bombadill (edited October 09, 2000).]

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10-09-2000, 09:41 AM	#10
Siper2 Scooby Guru Member#: 1134 Join Date: Mar 2000 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Dillsburg, PA Vehicle: 2007 BMW 328xi wagon Silver	Yeah no kidding!! Jeez, two gallons of fuel in one day's commute for the guy, not too shabby! I understand the wanting of AWD though, hey I'm just north of you. -S2-

10-09-2000, 09:42 AM	#11
Siper2 Scooby Guru Member#: 1134 Join Date: Mar 2000 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Dillsburg, PA Vehicle: 2007 BMW 328xi wagon Silver	Oh Tom, one more thing! How does your car SOUND? I would think a diesel would sound kinda funky... -S2-

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Subu WEX Scooby Newbie Member#: 1169 Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: London, Ontario, CANADA	My parents have a Jetta TDI, I've driven it a bit, it sounds like a tracor at idle - which is actually pretty cool. At anything above 1300 RPM it's pretty normal, you can hear the Turbo spool up too.

10-09-2000, 01:43 PM	#14
Siper2 Scooby Guru Member#: 1134 Join Date: Mar 2000 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Dillsburg, PA Vehicle: 2007 BMW 328xi wagon Silver	The only diesel I can recall experiencing was an old VW Rabbit of my mother's. 0-60 in... oh I don't think it went that fast! -S2-

10-09-2000, 02:54 PM	#15
NickSTi Scooby Specialist Member#: 626 Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Miami FL Vehicle: 2001 Impreza 2.5 RS Black Diamond Pearl	Do turbos work better using deisel? Or it does not matter? I always figured about gas quality affects turbo performance (well the higher the OCT number the better for the turbo).. how does this equate with the Deisel? I know MB uses deisel turbo engines

10-09-2000, 03:05 PM	#16
Tom Bombadill Scooby Newbie Member#: 2386 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Marshfield, MA. Vehicle: 2002 BMW 330i Titanium Silver	The turbo is much happier with the Diesel engine. Diesels run much cooler (in VW's case about 1/2 the Gas turbo temps). I can even open my hood after a hard run and not get blasted like you do with some gas cars. These TDIs can be made quite quick. I know of a guy who has broken the 7 second 0-60 barrier with his Beetle TDI. Cool stuff. The TDIs also have better turbos than the gas cars, using Garret VNT variable vane units. Sometimes I squeeze the accelerator just to hear it whistle. Still want a WRX though....

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T-WRX Scooby Specialist Member#: 2468 Join Date: Sep 2000 Chapter/Region: South East Location: JAX Vehicle: 08 Audi RS 4 05 AW STi	Matt - TDI's are a cool cult car. VW built a TDI Golf race car a couple of years ago with over 500 ft-lbs of torque and 4WD. Mamamia! I'm one of those poor slobs who has a negative stereotype for all deisels. Suppose I followed one too many Buick's in my youth. Do you ever have trouble finding gas?

10-09-2000, 03:25 PM	#18
Tom Bombadill Scooby Newbie Member#: 2386 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Marshfield, MA. Vehicle: 2002 BMW 330i Titanium Silver	Never had trouble filling it. With 600+ miles per tank, it's not really a problem. There are many stations I can pick from. Being real anal-retentive as I am, I usually fill it a 1/4 tank remaning. I too had negative stereotypes, but after I found out what the Germans had done with the modern diesels, well its's just amazing. Performance without penalty.

10-09-2000, 03:41 PM	#19
Andy_T Scooby Newbie Member#: 502 Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia	(pls forgive re-post if it comes up twice) BMW 330d: 2.9L turbo six, 193 bhp, 316 lb-ft (latest figs), 143 mph, 0-60 in 7.8. 40 mpg. Cheaper than 328i (and by association, 330i). Alpina D10: based on 530d. TT version of engine, above. Something like 260 bhp and 400 lb-ft. 160 mph, 0-60 in about 7 sec. 740d: 3.9L tt V8. 245 bhp, 413 lb-ft. 155 mph, 0-60 in 8 sec. 35 mpg. Still, diesels eh? Only good for tractors! Andy T